One-Two-Go Grounded!
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Could someone explain to me why Orient Thai's 747'300 is still operating out of Dhaka ?? I was under the impression that if they got their licence pulled this would mean no flying !! They are under a wet lease to Biman so still operating under a Thai licence ,so correct me if I'm wrong!!
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In the past week:
- One-Two-Go and Orient Thai had their AOC revoked for either 30, 56 or 60 days for excessive flight hours and fraudulent check rides (the proof of which have been publicly posted for months on our site petitioning for a proper investigation into the crash, including the actions of the CEO Udom Tantiprasongchai).
- DCA Deputy Director Vittuchai - a close friend of Udom's - was either removed from his post or is no longer the press contact for the DCA after the FAA, the press and our petition site complained about his claim that the crash of One-Two-Go/Orient Thai OG269 was "unavoidable" and due to "windsheer". (You can also see the black box transcription on the petition site. It shows that windsheer was hardly a factor. The crash occurred because the captain Arief was incapacitated and the F/O Montri was incompetent.)
- One-Two-Go/Orient Thai's managing director Kajit Habanananda is a close friend of the new DCA Deputy Director Chaisak. After a brief meeting between the two friends, Orient Thai was allowed to continue flight. (If you can read Thai, you can see the statement of AOC revocation on the petition site.)
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It's one of those offical letters from any Thai Government Agencies. While it does state that it affects the AOC affects Orient Thai and One-Two-Go, it also says that it concerns MD 80 operations.
Do they have AOC for different types of aircrafts?
This leaves Udom with a legal loophole to continue to operate other aircrafts. Can they do anything? Not really. Coz if they go against him, he could file a suit in one of the courts (administrative court?) that the order issued by the DCA is confusing/not clear/wrong.
Problem solved for both: DCA saves its face with the order. Udom can fly his 747s and save some money for not having to fly the MD80s. And the way I judge him he will not have to pay any salaries to his staff as most of them are on a one or three month contract allowing him to avoid any employment laws.
Do they have AOC for different types of aircrafts?
This leaves Udom with a legal loophole to continue to operate other aircrafts. Can they do anything? Not really. Coz if they go against him, he could file a suit in one of the courts (administrative court?) that the order issued by the DCA is confusing/not clear/wrong.
Problem solved for both: DCA saves its face with the order. Udom can fly his 747s and save some money for not having to fly the MD80s. And the way I judge him he will not have to pay any salaries to his staff as most of them are on a one or three month contract allowing him to avoid any employment laws.
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About the only time 'ole Udom didn't get his way was in September 1999 when our company repossessed one of his TriStars for non-payment of lease.
We took it right out from under his nose and there was nothing he could do about it...as it was newly US registered.
We took it right out from under his nose and there was nothing he could do about it...as it was newly US registered.
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Please Clarify....
Is it a known fact that Orient Thai has its A.O.C. supended?
Also, Is it a known fact that Orient Thai has lost the UN charters?
If both of these are true why was -UTK (Orient Thai B747-300) seen departing Dhaka, Bangladesh TODAY?
(A few years back the only reason for Orient Thai to be in Dhaka was to pick up UN troops)
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Also, Is it a known fact that Orient Thai has lost the UN charters?
If both of these are true why was -UTK (Orient Thai B747-300) seen departing Dhaka, Bangladesh TODAY?
(A few years back the only reason for Orient Thai to be in Dhaka was to pick up UN troops)
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The rot is in whole barrel!!! It is not in just one apple!!!
Trust me-I know first hand-I flew the 747 at OT for one year.
Udom also employees 'cheap' Indonesian and Philipio pilots on the 747 fleet.
I always assumed that if an A.O.C. is suppended it covers everything the airline flies. Stupid me!
Wes Afra
Trust me-I know first hand-I flew the 747 at OT for one year.
Udom also employees 'cheap' Indonesian and Philipio pilots on the 747 fleet.
I always assumed that if an A.O.C. is suppended it covers everything the airline flies. Stupid me!
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UK Foreign & Commonweath Office - Travel Advice
Just going through my in-box and found the following email. I am subscribed to the FCO travel advice for a number of countries, including Thailand. This email was send by the FCO on 25th July.
The link to the full article is Thailand
It is good to see that the travel advice is made available through the regular channels in the UK at least. This site contains the official government advice for travellers and is referenced by travel agencies / tour operators as well as business.
This email is to advise you that an article matching one of your interests has been published: Thailand.
This advice has been reviewed and reissued with an amendment to the Air Travel section (1-2 Go airlines suspended for 30 days from 22 July 2008) . The overall level of the advice has not changed.
(see travel advice legal disclaimer)
Please click on the link to view the article: here
This advice has been reviewed and reissued with an amendment to the Air Travel section (1-2 Go airlines suspended for 30 days from 22 July 2008) . The overall level of the advice has not changed.
(see travel advice legal disclaimer)
Please click on the link to view the article: here
Air Travel
Don Muang Airport (the old international airport) re-opened for some domestic flights on 25 April 2007. You should check with your airline which airport your flight will arrive at and depart from.
Orient Thai 1-2 Go Flight number OG269 from Bangkok to Phuket crashed on landing at Phuket airport on Sunday 16 September 2007. Over 80 people were killed, including 10 British Nationals. You should be aware that the Thai Civil Aviation Department suspended 1-2 Go operations for 30 days from 22 July 2008. As 1-2 Go does not operate to the UK or the EU it has not been possible to assess their safety standards.
The European Commission has published a list of air carriers that are subject to an operating ban or restrictions within the European Union. The list can be found at the following link: http://europa.eu.int/comm/transport/air/safety/flywell_en.htm.
Don Muang Airport (the old international airport) re-opened for some domestic flights on 25 April 2007. You should check with your airline which airport your flight will arrive at and depart from.
Orient Thai 1-2 Go Flight number OG269 from Bangkok to Phuket crashed on landing at Phuket airport on Sunday 16 September 2007. Over 80 people were killed, including 10 British Nationals. You should be aware that the Thai Civil Aviation Department suspended 1-2 Go operations for 30 days from 22 July 2008. As 1-2 Go does not operate to the UK or the EU it has not been possible to assess their safety standards.
The European Commission has published a list of air carriers that are subject to an operating ban or restrictions within the European Union. The list can be found at the following link: http://europa.eu.int/comm/transport/air/safety/flywell_en.htm.
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AOC
Orient Thai's AOC specifies MD-80s and B747s. To the best of my knowledge, since the AOC specifies both types, there is no legal way of suspending the AOC for just one type. Despite that, Orient Thai is flying.
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Seen in todays Bangladesh Daily Star
Biman aircraft suffers technical glitches for 2nd time in 2 days
A Boeing 747-300 aircraft of Biman Bangladesh Airlines Ltd suffered technical glitches on Friday at the Dubai International Airport a day after it faced similar trouble in Jeddah.
On Thursday, Biman's Dhaka-bound flight from Jeddah was delayed for about 20 hours due to hydraulic failure of the same aircraft.
Biman leased the aircraft from a Thai airline on June 2 for a year to minimise flight disruption.
The aircraft remained grounded for a day due to technical problems about 15 days ago, Biman sources said.
"The Dhaka-bound flight left the Dubai Airport at about 8:00am Friday (Bangladesh Standard Time). But it had to return to the airport following a fire warning from its internal system, which was later proved false," a Biman high-up told The Daily Star last night.
After a while the aircraft tried to take off, but failed due to technical glitches, the official said adding that the stranded passengers were flown to Dhaka by another flight.
The aircraft was scheduled to leave for Dhaka at 9:00pm yesterday about 30 hours behind schedule, Biman sources said.
"The Boeing 747-300 plane that Biman leased from Orient Thai is having technical problems repeatedly," the official said, adding that they will face problems in operating hajj flights if the aircraft is dogged by technical glitches.
Airport sources said Biman had to reschedule its Kuala Lumpur-bound flight twice as the Boeing 747-300 could not reach Dhaka in time.
The flight, originally scheduled at 10:00pm Friday, had been rescheduled at 8:00pm yesterday. Later, the schedule was changed again, airport sources added.
This is UTK. Very sad, UTK was a very nice and reliable aircraft when OT received it from KLM. I guess besides low budget pilots Udom also employs low budget mechanics. Hence the phrase, "if you want to die-fly Orient Thai!"
Please tell me how a Certificate suspension only effects one fleet and not the other?
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West Afria Ops is correct. Orient Thai's maintenace is **** just like One To Go. Same mechanics working on OX and One To Go and are just told by Udom to fix nothing. Udom also recruits cheap pilots who cannot get a job anywhere else. They do not think laterally and just do as they are told. This is the truth. Attack Udom and shut OX and One To Go down and do not allow Udom to start any other airline.
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Translated DCA document
A translation of the DCA document regarding One-Two-Go and Orient Thai's AOC revocation is available on the InvestigteUdom.com petition site. Here are a few highlights:It's worth reading the whole document. Just go to the petition site and scroll to bottom or look for Aug 5. (And please sign while you're there.)
- DCA inspectors notified Orient Thai management of the excessive working hours of the pilots after the accident of (and presumably related to) OG269
- Orient Thai management acknowledged the truth of excessive hours at that time and continued to fly hours in excess of legal maximums.
- "OT [Orient Thai] had no Quality Assurance for self-inspection"
- "Flight operation officers did not obtain fudamental training and procedures in case of emergency"
- "Flight operations officers of OTG [One-Two-Go] had to work with those of OT [Orient Thai], meaning their duties were inseparable"
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they're downsizing ... from 9 airplanes to 3. 66% reduction of capacity has nothing to do with the economy, but it is pure mismanagement. Just a bunch of useless people than at OX. They might have a better image, but they are neither less corrupt than OX nor do they pay their suppliers any better.
But agree, actual ops is much more professional and airplanes get better maintenance - but that's de to the influence and support of TG.
But agree, actual ops is much more professional and airplanes get better maintenance - but that's de to the influence and support of TG.