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Old 16th Jul 2008, 14:37
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Regarding Arief's state: whether a lack of food and water and medical issues contributed to his fatigue, the black box tells us Arief - by far the more skilled pilot - was uninvolved in the landing. Monti flew it alone until he too stopped flying the airplane 19 seconds before impact.

Regarding Udom's "cleverness": I think it's sad.
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Expect to hear some good news on Monday 21st. Word from the crew centre is that OG will close on Monday. Of course Udom wants to call it "temporary" so that he can avoid any termination payments. Instead he will say staff have been offered leave without pay/ training. However I think once closed it will be difficult for OG to start up again.

On another note:

OX is currently being chartered by a Chinese tour company for flights from H.K to Phuket. 3 of the F/A's rostered for this package are from OG and have no training at all for OX 747's. I just don't understand how this terribly dodgy operation can continue. How can the DCA be turning such a blind eye??? and these people belive in Karma? Just venting some anger.
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Latest news from The Nation (Bangkok) - 19Jul08

Low-cost carrier One-Two-Go will suspend its operations from July 22 to September 15, making it the first airline victim of record oil prices.





Founder and CEO Udom Tatiprosongchai said the unrelenting rise in oil prices had forced the airline to shut down temporarily.

During this period there will be a reorganisation to prepare for a return to business.

"The company has been losing money for months, and we cannot continue like this," said Udom, adding that One-Two-Go would resume operations when the situation improved.

Two of its rival, Thai AirAsia and Nok Ai, are still in service but facing the same cost pressure.

Both have revised their business strategies and rescheduled some routes.

Udom said One Two Go had been operating based on actual costs while other players had different strategies. In a statement, One Two Go said high oil prices were hurting the global airline industry.

Airlines world-wide have cut 30 per cent of their flights and raised surcharges to stay in business.

One Two Go was the country's first low-cost airline, starting its service in December 2003 with a Bangkok-Chiang Mai flight.

It ran into trouble when one of its planes crashed in Phuket, killing 90 passengers. Rumours abounded that it could face regulatory problems due to its safety record.

Udom declined to comment on this issue.

Relatives of the victims in the Phuket crash have started a web-site, www.investigateudom.com, to campaign for an investigation into Udom's business conduct.

It was alleged that Udom had misled pilots into flying unsafe planes and paid bonuses for those who worked beyond the legal maximum of flying hours.
Chaisak Angkasuwan, director-general of the Civil Aviation Department, could not be reached for comment yesterday.

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How can the DCA be turning such a blind eye???
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If that's the case, how about a phone call or an email to the CAD in Hong Kong?

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Old 18th Jul 2008, 17:59
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so what was the 1 2 GO 747 parked at Dubai this morning? I know I did not make it up...I put my 777 next to it and then stood under it as I waited for the bus
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Protecting each other

Quite common here in Thailand. Udom knows too much about the happenings in thai aviation. If the DCA goes against him, he will uncover a lot of stuff that was kept secret over the last years which would affect the industry as a whole. That's why such agencies like the DCA usually go against the small fishs which have no influence or are too weak to react and fire back.

E.g. Chaisak Angkasuwan's son was made IT Manager at OX a couple of years back without having any clue about IT or the airline industry. One way of saying thank you to the director general for helping protect OX ... why do you think Chaisak Angkasuwan shuts up now? I mean he was the most outspoken 20 minutes after the crash already knowing that it was the wind and weather and nothing else.

The son later on moved to Nokair, but that's a different story.

Oh well ...
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OX 747 at DXB? Most probably trying to cash in as much as possible during the last week of ops. School Holidays in UAE I've been told and a lot of locals flying to Thailand (just try to book a seat on EK or TG ...). Guess Udom got some charter deal. He just needs to make sure that he gets is A/C out before 22nd .
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Update

SOPS, I think Udom is trying to get all of 1 2 Go MD's out of Thailand to avoid them being investigated. Several are now parked in HK too.

Latest from crew centre: Message was sent to all depts today that last of OG's flights will be on the 22nd. We have been told on the 23rd Udom himself will be addressing press conference at Amari Water Gate - Pratunam hotel. I will post more details as soon as I get them should anyone be interested in attending and making some noise.

We now have to ensure the operation does not get going again. A lot of cabin crew are heart broken but so are many families that lost loved ones and I know it is only a matter of time until another accident occurs if this operation continues.

RoliBKK is spot on. Chaisak is as filthy as Udom and equally corrupt. However he is scared of media attention and earlier this week when I spoke with him he was paranoid about being filmed.If anyone is inclined to stir him a little try requesting a media comment from him. He speaks good English. His direct number is +6622861956 mention you are from a TV station and he freaks out.
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Only 2 month suspension? time for action!

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Thai Airline One Two Go now One To Stop[/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Bangkok Post 19/07/2008[/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'](dpa) - Thailand's first no-frills airline, One-Two-Go, has suspended all operations for two months for "financial restructuring," media reports said Saturday. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']One-Two-Go, the country's first low-cost airline, started operations in December 2003 and is now the first to fall victim to escalating world oil prices, the airline's top executive said. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']"The company has been losing money for months, and we cannot continue like this," founder and chief executive Udom Tatiprosongchai told The Nation newspaper. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']On Friday, the airline announced the suspension of all operations from July 22 to September 15. It has 700 employees and eight MD 80 jets. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']A One-Two-Go plane crashed on landing during a heavy downpour on Phuket Island in October 2007, killing 90 people on board. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Relatives of some of the victims have started a website, www.investigationudom.com, to campaign for an investigation into Udom's business conduct in managing the airline, claiming that he forced pilots to fly unsafe planes.[/FONT]
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update

The OX 747 currently parked at Phuket chartered by Chinese travel group has had to cancel departure 3 times now as engine number 3 keeps failing to start. PAX have boarded twice now and then been returned to Metropole Phuket after engine 3 failure! OX will again try to take off for HK tomorrow. I know one FA who is crewing on that flight who is OG crew with no training on 747 aircraft.

Why has the Thai press failied to report at all on the AOC revocation and continue to maintaining Udom's line that temp closure is just for a restructure? Surely there has to be a journo out there who can smell something, no?

Correction to my earlier post Udom's press conference will be at Amarin hotel Don Muang on 23rd.
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Old 20th Jul 2008, 04:25
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London Times Sunday

Families blame lax safety for budget airline crash - Times Online

LAWYERS for the British and American families of victims of an air crash in Thailand are seeking £125m compensation in the US courts in a case that may shed a harsh light on cost-cutting and safety standards at some budget airlines.
The lawsuits follow the disaster on the holiday island of Phuket when an MD82 airliner operated by One-Two-Go, a Thai low-cost carrier, crashed on landing in heavy rain and wind on September 16 last year.
Eight Britons were among the 89 people who died. There were 41 survivors, some of them badly burnt after the plane slewed off the runway, hit an embankment and caught fire.
The captain, Arief Mulyadi, 56, from Indonesia, and his Thai co-pilot were killed on impact. Thai press reports say government investigators have reached an initial finding that pilot error was to blame.
Since the accident the airline has denied allegations by some of its former pilots that crews worked excessive hours and that maintenance standards were lax.
“We believe the air crash was completely avoidable and those responsible should be held to account,” said a statement from the parents of Alex Collins and Bethan Jones, a British couple who died.
“While we accept that nothing can bring Alex and Bethan and the other people who lost their lives back, we are keen to make sure we prevent this from happening again.”
Some British relatives of the victims have lent their names to an internet campaign by Bonnie Rind, an American whose brother died in the crash, calling for prosecutions in Thailand. Rind is also asking for an inquiry by the US National Transportation Safety Board.
She has obtained numerous documents, including what she says is a transcript of material from the flight recorders. Rind said she was confident that the chilling details of the transcript, which appear to show confusion on the flight deck, were accurate.
Flight OG269 from Bangkok was buffeted by heavy weather as it came in for landing. After a warning from the control tower of wind shear - a sudden, violent gust - the Thai co-pilot, who was flying the aircraft, opted to “go around” for a second approach.
However, according to the transcript provided by Rind, neither he nor Arief engaged the correct controls after retracting the wheels. As the MD82 continued to sink towards the runway, the co-pilot’s last words were, “You have control.” There was no response from Arief.
For 15 seconds the engines could be heard idling as the MD82 descended, then for four seconds they roared to full power as an attempt was apparently made to save the aircraft.
Two seconds before the crash a wind shear alarm went off. Then there was silence.
“It was clearly pilot error,” said Rind, a software engineer with a background in aviation. “There was no evidence of anything wrong with the plane.” She believes the captain was incompetent and was probably suffering from fatigue.
Arief had a history of freezing at the controls during crises and had been working excessive hours, according to a documentary by Australia’s Channel Nine television.
Crew rosters showed that at the time of the crash Arief had worked longer than the 110 hours a month allowed by Thai regulators. These rosters were handed to the authorities by the makers of the documentary. The programme interviewed François Wurst, a former pilot for One-Two-Go, who said he was flying with Arief on a charter for the United Nations in 2006 into Kabul to pick up Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, when the Indonesian “mentally froze” during rough weather on the approach.
Other former pilots gave hair-raising stories of shoddy maintenance and pressure to work excessive hours as the airline cut costs when tourism collapsed after the 2004 tsunami. They claimed there were constant faults with electronics, hydraulics and engines on the fleet of MD82s and Boeing 757s.
Udom Tantiprasongchai, the founder of One-Two-Go, has firmly denied the allegations.
James Healy-Pratt of Stew-arts Law, a London firm acting for six Britons, said: “The families and victims are taking action in the US courts to force One-Two-Go to prove that they are not a low-cost, low-safety airline.”
The American courts are involved because the Thai airline has business connections in the United States and the plane was made by McDonnell Doug-las, later bought by Boeing. The MD82 that crashed was first delivered to American Airlines in December 1983.
US lawyers intend to name Boeing in the lawsuits, along with One-Two-Go, its parent company Orient Thai Airlines and Grandmax Group, a company connected to them which leased the doomed aircraft.
The action will be closely watched in the London aviation insurance market because One-Two-Go and Orient Thai are insured by syndicates at Lloyd’s, plus other insurers.
Udom said the company had paid medical expenses and other costs for survivors and had settled claims in 26 cases.
“We, with our insurers, are trying to resolve the remaining claims as quickly and fairly as possible,” he added.
Yesterday Thai media reports said One-Two-Go is to cease flying “temporarily” due to cost pressures caused by oil prices and market conditions.
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Old 21st Jul 2008, 08:07
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Did Udom say it was about fuel?

Bangkok Post | General news | Pilot error blamed for crash

ONE-TWO-GO AIRLINES

Pilot error blamed for crash AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK
Pilot error caused the fatal crash in Phuket last year and was the reason behind the grounding of One-Two-Go airlines, Chaisak Angsuwan, the director-general of the Civil Aviation Department, said yesterday.
His statement contradicted one from the budget airline on Friday, which cited problems including rising oil prices and strong competition as the need to temporarily cease operations and ground all eight of its MD 80 series planes.

Mr Chaisak said pilot error while trying to land at Phuket international airport on Sept 16 last year prompted the department to ban the entire MD fleet from service.

Investigations found the plane and maintenance were up to standard, but the way the pilots worked needed to improve to meet international requirements, he said.

The decision to ground One-Two-Go was based mainly on the inquiry by the National Transport Safety Board of the United States and the assessment of the department. The 56-day suspension will start tomorrow.

The temporary ban will only apply to the MD 80 aircraft. All 747 jets flying for Orient Thai airlines, which also belong to Udom Tantiprasongchai, the owner of One-Two-Go, are allowed to keep operating, but improvements are expected within 30 days, Mr Chaisak said. He refused to go into detail.

On Sept 16 last year a One-Two-Go MD-82 crashed in strong winds and heavy rain while trying to land at Phuket. The accident left 89 people dead and 41 injured. Transport Minister Santi Promphat said he was briefed on the report by the department chief on July 11.

The decision to suspend the budget airline will be announced at a press conference today.

Mr Udom said he accepted the results of the investigation, which pointed out faults by the pilots, and promised to make improvements.

A source at the department said the agency had informed One-Two-Go about the need to improve its performance, but nothing was improved.

The agency planned to ground both One-Two-Go and Orient Thai, but later decided to let Orient Thai continue operating. The source said the agency was not satisfied with the no-frills airline after finding that checks by the pilots were not being carried out properly.
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Latest "breaking news" says, the AOC of One-Two-Go as well as the AOC of Orient Thai have both been suspended for 30 days due to poor safety, and criminal charges are to follow.

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Predict the outcome?

30 days grounding, then all back to normal. Nothing will be done. Maybe Udom is going to play some golf and Chaisak drives around his new E-Class Benz he did get from an undisclosed donor working for a well-known airline.
It states that aircraft maintenance was up to standard - of course does it say that, coz otherwise the DCA would have to investigate itself and it also says that they will file criminal charges ... most probably against the employees and foreign pilots that leaked all the information to the foreign press.
They keep Orient Thai flying as Udom needs to use that money to pay for Chaisak's new car ....
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Keep up the pressure

I have to agree with rolibkk that we need to keep the pressure up.
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i agree with you

keep on doing pressure.
I ask anyone who wants to help us to contact "investigateudom" or me.

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Old 22nd Jul 2008, 04:39
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Phuket Air crews are being forced with this same behavior and acceptance of operating in this not so legal enviroment.
Thai DCA has has done audits and never found any problems with the duty time violations even when a incident was happening and in progress while on the property in KSA.
Blind ones these DCA types.

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Old 22nd Jul 2008, 20:41
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Questions about stories, charges and groundings...

Updates from Thailand make it clear deals are being made as the duration of the AOC revocation and affected parties changes by the hour. We've posted a list of questions we think the press should be asking.
(See right column, July 22, 2008)
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lepetitjournal.com - AVIATION - One-Two-Go suspendue et peut-être poursuivie
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Perhaps this is why Orient Thai continues to fly

Kajit Habanananda is a managing director of Orient Thai and One-Two-Go.
While Udom may be out of favor with the new head of the DCA (notice Vituchai is gone), Mr. Kajit, a "former adviser to the deputy minister of transport" (according to the Chiangmai-mail), seems to be in favor.

To learn more about Mr. Kajit and his political connections, read this:Past International President Kajit "KJ" Habanananda
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