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Risky IL-76 Take-off Captured on Video

Old 27th Feb 2008, 10:34
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Common?

Quite a few years back a Russian? reg IL-86 I think from memory did a similar effort MNL-MEL and took out the approach lights and gashed the fuselage considerably.

Any problems captain?? Nyet, no problm.

Errr, you might like to take a look outside when you have a minute.
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Old 27th Feb 2008, 12:01
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FYI:
IL76, like most of other Soviet-built aircraft, do not have any provisions and procedures for de-rated (or flex) take-off power. It is always the same thrust setting, doesn't matter what runway or weight.
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Old 27th Feb 2008, 12:34
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Tyre limiting speeds for an IL76?

After much talk on this thread - nobody seems to have considered what the ground speed might have been at the end of what looked like a pretty extended ground roll.

What sort of performance limitation would there be on max T/O performance in a hot/high/heavy situation with an IL76 caused by tyre (tire) limiting speeds?

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Old 27th Feb 2008, 12:50
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First time using PPRuNe, maybe some advise?

Hi People! First of all wish you all safe take offs and landings always. I have a small question unrelated to the IL76 take off, it is my first time on PPRuNe, and forgive me for intruding in like this. I am a new upgraded captain, and a while a go on a certain airfield I did 2 missed approaches and on my third attempt I landed. Required vis for landing was 1200m, tower reported it at 4000m, so did ATIS, but during the first approach tower said it was 600m. No problem, we continued to the approach ban, at which I saw at least 2000-3000m vis! I requested to do the approach to the MDA, and that was followed by a go arround. Another appraoch was attempted (fuel not being a factor, and CRM not an issue, my F/O and I knew we could do it on the second attempt), which was also preceded by a go around. Went into holding for half an hour, vis improved and we landed uneventful. My question is, would this demote me to an F/O or terminate my employment? Had something like this happened in anyones airline where a Captain got demoted or fired? Right now I am gounded and I am waiting for the Investigation to end, but just worried. Someone please advise, now matter how harsh, thank you.
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Old 27th Feb 2008, 15:15
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Hello LFTRainbow,

From your description of events, it looks like you continued beyond the approach ban point despite the required viz being below limits . Visibility can be very deceptive - I too have been in the hold with a great view of the runway... but RVR's of less lan 550m being reported. The problems can occur in very short final when the slant viz can reduce suddenly and dramtically - possibly it did with you, hence your go around.

At the very least I hope you have learned from the experience and will consider it in the future. Perhaps your CP will take a similar attitude...perhaps not. If you are demoted, you won't be the first (or last) - although it's not that common. Just remember, if you are ever thinking of bending a rule, try practicing your reasons for doing so in your best "courtroom" voice - that's usually sufficient to bring most people to their senses!

I was told when you get a Command you have two bags. One is empty and the other is full of luck. The idea is that you fill the empty one with experience before you empty the other!

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Old 27th Feb 2008, 17:57
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God Bless A4

Thanks for the reply and advise A4, I have learned from that experiance. I guess I will have to wait for Just Culture to take its course. I can't really blame the mangement for grounding me, just that I am anxious for this waiting game to finish. Any how, take care and thanks again.
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Old 29th Feb 2008, 05:01
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wonder how many tonnes were 'unmanifested' on that one

Incidently, wasn't it an IL76 that took off runway end lights at Richmond a year or so ago....its tyre tracks spotted by the safety officer some time after it had departed??
Yeap...it seems those old 76'ers have something special with Aussie Fields
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...607054_001.pdf

And BTW, here it is also the Final Report of the Laos IL76 crashed in East Timor some years ago..

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...300263_001.pdf
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Old 29th Feb 2008, 14:19
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wonder how many tonnes were 'unmanifested' on that one

Incidently, wasn't it an IL76 that took off runway end lights at Richmond a year or so ago....its tyre tracks spotted by the safety officer some time after it had departed??
The Australian report states black on white that the tyre tracks found in the overrun area by the Safety Officer did not match those of the IL-76. There is even a picture provided of a single tyre mark whereas the IL-76s have a series of double boggies, even on the nose wheel. Plus, since when do aircraft taking-off leave tyre marks in the asphalt unless maybe in case of a reject?

It is true that in many Third World countries, underpaid crews often load un-manifested cargo for which they collect cargo fees themselves, which is split up by the crew, but this is only possible on their regular routes, where they have contacts, since it requires the cooperation of many similarly underpaid people on the ground (customs, cargo handling employees, etc) with whom they share the proceeds of that cargo. I have talked to ex-Aeroflot crew members who told me that this is how they rounded off their ridiculous pay checks in Soviet Union times. I am certain this still goes on in many places. These days however, an IL-76 captain, even in places like Russia, makes several thousand US dollars per month and will not risk his job to make 500$ on the side. A North Korean IL-76 pilot, who still earns peanuts, might.

I checked and found that Azerbaijan Airlines, Azal, and Silk Air, which is all one and the same (they all have the same head office address), lost several IL-76s in accidents.
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