BA Pilots to ballot for strike over OpenSkies
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Ask the rest of BALPA members??!!! 
What a load of BS! Why? 1. The rest of the BALPA members will be totally screwed if our fellow BA colleagues loose/step down on this one. 2. The rest of our fellow members have so far stepped down as soon as there has been a conflict or squeeze on T&Cs (thats why the rest of us "enjoy" lower T&Cs if you have not noticed) so someone might as well use the funds for something useful!
I say - Good luck to all of you BA guys and gals (and to the rest of us!!)!
In ezy we are facing very similar issues on the continent. I think its about time we stop "keeping the powder dry" or we'll soon see ourselves working without sick pay, pension and union representation!!!
/CP
What a load of BS! Why? 1. The rest of the BALPA members will be totally screwed if our fellow BA colleagues loose/step down on this one. 2. The rest of our fellow members have so far stepped down as soon as there has been a conflict or squeeze on T&Cs (thats why the rest of us "enjoy" lower T&Cs if you have not noticed) so someone might as well use the funds for something useful! I say - Good luck to all of you BA guys and gals (and to the rest of us!!)!
In ezy we are facing very similar issues on the continent. I think its about time we stop "keeping the powder dry" or we'll soon see ourselves working without sick pay, pension and union representation!!!
/CP
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Why the obsession with a common seniority list??
How about the new Pilots joining BA after the dispute??
Wont they pay the price in lost seniority to some overseas ones??
How about the new Pilots joining BA after the dispute??
Wont they pay the price in lost seniority to some overseas ones??
point 1: so that the company cannot drive a wedge between us, we will be one body
point 2: they can bid across to mainline if they are on the seniority list
point 3: they won't pay any price if they are on the seniority list
It's all about preventing the fragmentation of the workforce.
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Instead we are forced to wait for transport for up to an hour at the end of a long duty day/night.
Overstress - I totally agree with your position w.r.t the lousy transportation situation, just another one of our rubblish SLA's that we seem to allow to continue, much the same as the lousy resourcing the BAA have of the Control Posts around the place !
With the problems we had at T4 yesterday, I droppped my work and went over to assist in the chaos. [No thankyou letters will ensue, it is an expectation. Under the circumstances, I'm not lookng for one either]. It's annoying and frustration to then get home having done in effect to consecutuve shifts, to find our PR dept has done little to help the public distinguish between THE BAA and BA !!
I have digressed somewhat, back to the point in hand...I'm still not clear from BOTH sides of this debate as to what the percieved benefits and issues are w.r.t retaining the existing seniority number system in an outfit like O.S ?? One item I am aware of, is that if we considered O.S as a subset of Mainline, our crew would have complete flexability to move freely between postings, whilst retaining, or indeed climbing up the payscales. It has been made clear that the model that enables O.S to exist is that everthing needs to be bought in from LIDL (OK, slightly fippant, but I believe people know what I mean here..). If there was this type of freedom, could this drive up the unite cost per pilot in the O.S model ?? I guess on the flipside of this, is a top of payscale C744 going to bid for a C757 posting ..?? Me thinks not...
I know I will be at risk of being told of for not reading the previous 30 odd pages here, but if there has been an offer of Secondment for Mainline crew whilst retaining seniority, what is the problem ? This protects your position to rejoin Mainline and protects your future postings/awards (Been doing a bit of homework - Impressed ?? ).
I'm guessing I will not have time to follow up again on this topic before we know the ballot result, so thanks in anticipation of some responses and despite the cynics, I DO hope this issue is resolved for the benefit of us all. Safe flying always
Overstress - I totally agree with your position w.r.t the lousy transportation situation, just another one of our rubblish SLA's that we seem to allow to continue, much the same as the lousy resourcing the BAA have of the Control Posts around the place !
With the problems we had at T4 yesterday, I droppped my work and went over to assist in the chaos. [No thankyou letters will ensue, it is an expectation. Under the circumstances, I'm not lookng for one either]. It's annoying and frustration to then get home having done in effect to consecutuve shifts, to find our PR dept has done little to help the public distinguish between THE BAA and BA !!
I have digressed somewhat, back to the point in hand...I'm still not clear from BOTH sides of this debate as to what the percieved benefits and issues are w.r.t retaining the existing seniority number system in an outfit like O.S ?? One item I am aware of, is that if we considered O.S as a subset of Mainline, our crew would have complete flexability to move freely between postings, whilst retaining, or indeed climbing up the payscales. It has been made clear that the model that enables O.S to exist is that everthing needs to be bought in from LIDL (OK, slightly fippant, but I believe people know what I mean here..). If there was this type of freedom, could this drive up the unite cost per pilot in the O.S model ?? I guess on the flipside of this, is a top of payscale C744 going to bid for a C757 posting ..?? Me thinks not...
I know I will be at risk of being told of for not reading the previous 30 odd pages here, but if there has been an offer of Secondment for Mainline crew whilst retaining seniority, what is the problem ? This protects your position to rejoin Mainline and protects your future postings/awards (Been doing a bit of homework - Impressed ?? ).
I'm guessing I will not have time to follow up again on this topic before we know the ballot result, so thanks in anticipation of some responses and despite the cynics, I DO hope this issue is resolved for the benefit of us all. Safe flying always
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Crapweasel !
has anyone else typed a length response in here and hit send, only to find it vanished ??
Oh well, an abridged version...
Overstessed - I agree, the bus situation IS lousy as is the BAA's inability to resource the security Control Posts at key times.
Worked an additional shift in T4 yesterday (No thankyou cards expected) only to get home and find our PR people have still not managed to get the puiblic to distinguish the difference between THE BAA and BA.. damn annoying.
Back to the issue in hand... Costs - By having a common senioritry list between O.S and Mainline, there is the potential to introduce the relative high cost base associated with Bidline into a model that requires everything to be bought in from LIDL (Slightly flippant, but i'm sure you know what I mean). High cost base = model that will not work = No O.S outfit = Lost opportunity that will no doubt be emulated by a competitor..
"Driving a wedge between us" Hmmm genuinely not convinced on that one as there have been previous examples of BA start ups that have not demonstrated this. I don't believe our GSS crews feel they are penalised or ostracised for seconding themselves..? However, I dont believe we would have a current C744 bidding for C757 unless they are planning to make JFK / CDG etc.. home.. Nah, the bottom line is for the O.S business to succeed is to keep costs down. Secondment will protect mainline seniority and does not penalise people from the usual positing / award process. New entrants to O.S would and should not have the same arrangement is my view. I'm sure their "Management" payscales will be commensurate as will all the other roles, I see no reason why crew should be different..
Phew ! and this is an abridged version !
Look - Unlikley to squeeze any reposnses in to your responses before the ballot result. I just hope this gets resolved sensibly.
Safe flying always
has anyone else typed a length response in here and hit send, only to find it vanished ??
Oh well, an abridged version...
Overstessed - I agree, the bus situation IS lousy as is the BAA's inability to resource the security Control Posts at key times.
Worked an additional shift in T4 yesterday (No thankyou cards expected) only to get home and find our PR people have still not managed to get the puiblic to distinguish the difference between THE BAA and BA.. damn annoying.
Back to the issue in hand... Costs - By having a common senioritry list between O.S and Mainline, there is the potential to introduce the relative high cost base associated with Bidline into a model that requires everything to be bought in from LIDL (Slightly flippant, but i'm sure you know what I mean). High cost base = model that will not work = No O.S outfit = Lost opportunity that will no doubt be emulated by a competitor..
"Driving a wedge between us" Hmmm genuinely not convinced on that one as there have been previous examples of BA start ups that have not demonstrated this. I don't believe our GSS crews feel they are penalised or ostracised for seconding themselves..? However, I dont believe we would have a current C744 bidding for C757 unless they are planning to make JFK / CDG etc.. home.. Nah, the bottom line is for the O.S business to succeed is to keep costs down. Secondment will protect mainline seniority and does not penalise people from the usual positing / award process. New entrants to O.S would and should not have the same arrangement is my view. I'm sure their "Management" payscales will be commensurate as will all the other roles, I see no reason why crew should be different..
Phew ! and this is an abridged version !
Look - Unlikley to squeeze any reposnses in to your responses before the ballot result. I just hope this gets resolved sensibly.
Safe flying always
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it will be resolved sensibly by Mr Walsh putting the OS guys on our list and protecting all our futures . Balpa have said this will be a zero cost option and if at some time in the future when OS is making money then we can try for better t&c´s .
Resonable solution.
Unlike the arrogant BA mangers attitude that they are right all the time.
ps If you are not out to incite why have you got a name like BA Fair manager !!
Resonable solution.
Unlike the arrogant BA mangers attitude that they are right all the time.
ps If you are not out to incite why have you got a name like BA Fair manager !!
