BA Pilots to ballot for strike over OpenSkies
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Thanks Orion Man. It does appear that Koi has gone stark raving bonkers, and judging by the comments in his previous post it's obvious that he hasn't seen or heard anything from inside BA for at least the last 5 years.
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Hmm,
Bizarre ramblings indeed. I Googled and ascertained that the result is due out on the 20th and then a week will elapse before the fun and games begin. I sincerely hope you get an emphatic mandate to stop this assault on industry wide Ts & Cs.
Good luck !!!!!!
Bizarre ramblings indeed. I Googled and ascertained that the result is due out on the 20th and then a week will elapse before the fun and games begin. I sincerely hope you get an emphatic mandate to stop this assault on industry wide Ts & Cs.
Good luck !!!!!!
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Koi trained at Hamble, according to his own post, and then, through no fault of his own, was not given a place by BA. It happened to quite a few Hamble graduates, I understand, as BA cut back on recruitment. This must have been a bitter blow and I sympathise, but to turn it into a crusade against BA all these years later is rather sad, as are Koi's rantings about a BA that simply does not exist in the way he sees it. Either way, BALPA will win!
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Stand by for any comments on Koi's ramblings to be removed by the moderators, as they did to mine yesterday....
Not much to be said now until the ballot result is announced on the 21st...
Not much to be said now until the ballot result is announced on the 21st...
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BALPA have negotiated nothing. BA said "Take it or leave it" then walked out.
It took BALPA the best part of 6 months to get BA to say anything at all, and what they did say left little room for negotiation, hence the ballot.
You will find out on the 20th/21st just how many disagree with BALPA. I wager it won't be many.....
It took BALPA the best part of 6 months to get BA to say anything at all, and what they did say left little room for negotiation, hence the ballot.
You will find out on the 20th/21st just how many disagree with BALPA. I wager it won't be many.....
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BALPA uses an external organisation to poll its members. A bit like getting the destination forecast before departure...
The results of the poll can
a) be very useful in determining likely member response
b) be used to rebuff management claims that BALPA does not speak for its members...
The results of the poll can
a) be very useful in determining likely member response
b) be used to rebuff management claims that BALPA does not speak for its members...
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This whole saga raises a few queries in my mind...
Where was all the sqwawking for "taking work away from BA" when they set up GO and DBA ??
I don't recall there being a mad rush to be part of those outfits either, so what in your views is different here ??
To the uninitiated, this would suggest there is a pocket lining incentive here ?? Someone please provide the clarity that quoshes this..
I have no doubt that some BA Pilots have been establishing a war chest in prep for a battle with their own company. The question is, do you really think the BA Management team would still be willing to stand toe to toe on this issue, if THEY TOO had not built their own war chest. And whose do you think is bigger...??
Sadly, It's going to be a long winter...
Where was all the sqwawking for "taking work away from BA" when they set up GO and DBA ??
I don't recall there being a mad rush to be part of those outfits either, so what in your views is different here ??
To the uninitiated, this would suggest there is a pocket lining incentive here ?? Someone please provide the clarity that quoshes this..
I have no doubt that some BA Pilots have been establishing a war chest in prep for a battle with their own company. The question is, do you really think the BA Management team would still be willing to stand toe to toe on this issue, if THEY TOO had not built their own war chest. And whose do you think is bigger...??
Sadly, It's going to be a long winter...
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Sadly, It's going to be a long winter...
Sir Richard must be smiling, same for Sir Michael, and I suspect the European airlines (especially KLM/AirFrance and Lufthansa) must me laughing, all the way to the bank.
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To the uninitiated, this would suggest there is a pocket lining incentive here ??
The result may well be...does anyone really care?
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OK, I'll bite... despite
BA FAIR MANAGER - I could believe you were what your handle infers you might be, because your first posting (in this persona
) is very similar in style to BA's official comms on this issue:
a) is vindictive and petty
b) does not address the clear, single issue this boils down to
c) is difficult to understand
d) is written from a standpoint of ignorance (have you seen the PL/OS business plan? - No? - nor have BALPA, that's why we're worried)
BA pilots' individual war-chests are irrelevant. BA's war chest could be £350m+ bigger if our management had not squandered it on fines.
So we have a hectoring management paying lip service to modern employment practice (with all the corporate nonsense on the intranet) whilst peddling unclear communications, at the same time refusing to address the single issue of concern raised by BALPA almost 12 months ago.
The only pockets planned on being lined are those belonging to the management team which stands to benefit from the bonuses expected for setting up a 'double-breasted' operation within BA.
BA pilots will not tolerate being forced to compete for their own jobs.
BA pilots are not afraid to stand up to a bullying, greedy management.
Not much to be said now until the ballot result is announced on the 21st...
BA FAIR MANAGER - I could believe you were what your handle infers you might be, because your first posting (in this persona
) is very similar in style to BA's official comms on this issue:a) is vindictive and petty
b) does not address the clear, single issue this boils down to
c) is difficult to understand
d) is written from a standpoint of ignorance (have you seen the PL/OS business plan? - No? - nor have BALPA, that's why we're worried)
BA pilots' individual war-chests are irrelevant. BA's war chest could be £350m+ bigger if our management had not squandered it on fines.
So we have a hectoring management paying lip service to modern employment practice (with all the corporate nonsense on the intranet) whilst peddling unclear communications, at the same time refusing to address the single issue of concern raised by BALPA almost 12 months ago.
To the uninitiated, this would suggest there is a pocket lining incentive here ??
BA pilots will not tolerate being forced to compete for their own jobs.
BA pilots are not afraid to stand up to a bullying, greedy management.
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BA FAIR MANAGER wrote
For reasons that have already been explained. Go back to post number one and READ. It irritates the bejesus out of me when people jump in to a thread without bothering to read from the start. For an apparent BA manager to do the same....well let's just say I'm not surprised.
The best communicators listen (or read) before speaking. You sum up BA management nicely.
And who's war chest will deplete the quickest?
Pathetic.
Where was all the sqwawking for "taking work away from BA" when they set up GO and DBA ??
The best communicators listen (or read) before speaking. You sum up BA management nicely.
....if THEY TOO had not built their own war chest. And whose do you think is bigger...??
Pathetic.
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Rumour and speculation are rife.
Having spoken to many of my flight crew colleagues the talk seems to be of an 'all out' strike with continuous action rather than a series of 1/2 day strikes.The reasoning behind this is that those who have to not report for work would not be the victims of a bullying management team making examples of the ones who have to take the action.
Both Cabin Crew unions are watching this very closely with a view to protecting the job security of it's Cabin Crew!!.
Three ballots for industrial action in just over one year from two groups of non militant workers speaks volumes about our bullish,pig headed management team.This CEO is single minded and arrogant but like those before him he will walk away with his pockets lined and the moral of the staff again in tatters.
May I wish my flight crew colleagues all the best against the worst management team we have had in many year.Good luck.
WTDWL.
Having spoken to many of my flight crew colleagues the talk seems to be of an 'all out' strike with continuous action rather than a series of 1/2 day strikes.The reasoning behind this is that those who have to not report for work would not be the victims of a bullying management team making examples of the ones who have to take the action.
Both Cabin Crew unions are watching this very closely with a view to protecting the job security of it's Cabin Crew!!.
Three ballots for industrial action in just over one year from two groups of non militant workers speaks volumes about our bullish,pig headed management team.This CEO is single minded and arrogant but like those before him he will walk away with his pockets lined and the moral of the staff again in tatters.
May I wish my flight crew colleagues all the best against the worst management team we have had in many year.Good luck.
WTDWL.
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Rumour and speculation are rife.
Thanks for the message of support, WTDWL - I expect Galley FM is on overtime.... BALPA have their strategy, as does WW...
All will be revealed later this week....
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Overstress thanks for your reply.Need it or not you do have much support from the other side of the door.
Thats why I started the post with 'Rumour and speculation'!!.
Would you agree this would be a fair tactic,an all out strike?.
BA FAIR MANAGER,you could be a Cabin Crew manager as your words are just the same as used against cabin crew last year.Usual cheap threats and 'we're bigger than you' attitude.
As for people 'lining their pockets',well I guess that will be you and others in your team,gathered round your 7.30am 'Latte' morning,working out how much you will get and your next step up the ladder should you win!!.
I sincerely hope our pilots,professionally led by BALPA teach you and W.W. a good lesson.
WTDWL.
Thats why I started the post with 'Rumour and speculation'!!.
Would you agree this would be a fair tactic,an all out strike?.
BA FAIR MANAGER,you could be a Cabin Crew manager as your words are just the same as used against cabin crew last year.Usual cheap threats and 'we're bigger than you' attitude.
As for people 'lining their pockets',well I guess that will be you and others in your team,gathered round your 7.30am 'Latte' morning,working out how much you will get and your next step up the ladder should you win!!.
I sincerely hope our pilots,professionally led by BALPA teach you and W.W. a good lesson.
WTDWL.