BA Pilots to ballot for strike over OpenSkies
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I have not been on this forum for ages...... and still you manage to make me laugh. No really you do literally with your.??? Oh can't be bothered so many before are far more elequent than me.
Anyway I come to Arizona often was even brought up there and worst of all I am a current BA pilot who has worked in the industry for 32 years and for 5 different worldwide airlines, and in a few different capacities so I guess you would consider me unsuitable to even have an opinion on this debate.
The fact is I am 100% behind the progressive thinking and attitudes of the BACC.
Would you care to meet me one day when I am in 'Arizona' I am sure the rest of pprune would be interested...???
p.s. All of you other pilots around the world working for other airlines I can assure you that I have never heard a BA pilot dis you or consider themselves 'better', please be assured of our respect.
I have not been on this forum for ages...... and still you manage to make me laugh. No really you do literally with your.??? Oh can't be bothered so many before are far more elequent than me.
Anyway I come to Arizona often was even brought up there and worst of all I am a current BA pilot who has worked in the industry for 32 years and for 5 different worldwide airlines, and in a few different capacities so I guess you would consider me unsuitable to even have an opinion on this debate.
The fact is I am 100% behind the progressive thinking and attitudes of the BACC.
Would you care to meet me one day when I am in 'Arizona' I am sure the rest of pprune would be interested...???
p.s. All of you other pilots around the world working for other airlines I can assure you that I have never heard a BA pilot dis you or consider themselves 'better', please be assured of our respect.
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The stereotype that you mention belongs in 1970’s, along with the steadfast attitude that working practices established decades ago can be the only ones on the table.
It’s amazing that you really don’t care if you get any public support, because it’s that same public that buy airline tickets.
Business is not unlike evolution, it’s the not the biggest and strongest that survive, it’s those that adapt to changing conditions the fastest. Move on to the brave new world, or just go down the same path as the dinosaurs, ultimately your call.
I really don't think that we care whether or not the public give us their support. In reality, we fully expect the old cliches of Surrey based, £200K pa, wife and 3 kids at private school, country mansion with a paddock and ponies, Merc and Range Rover and horse box on the drive to be rolled out by the Daily Mail. We stand on our own two feet (x 3000) and will try to make a stand for the honest workers in the country against the lying, thieving arrogant 
that run industry and politics in this country.
that run industry and politics in this country.
It’s amazing that you really don’t care if you get any public support, because it’s that same public that buy airline tickets.
Business is not unlike evolution, it’s the not the biggest and strongest that survive, it’s those that adapt to changing conditions the fastest. Move on to the brave new world, or just go down the same path as the dinosaurs, ultimately your call.
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I'll take my chances thanks, colossus. The point you appear to be deliberately missing (and I don't understand why) is that if we don't stand up to BA over this, our pay and conditions will be wrecked. If we do stand up to them and bankrupt BA (not that I think that's a practical proposition), I'll still end up on crap pay and conditions, just with someone else.
If worst comes to worst, I won't be any worse off and at least I won't have given up without a fight.
PS: I've added 411A to my ignore list (as recommended by a mate). Instantly the thread becomes so much more readable.
If worst comes to worst, I won't be any worse off and at least I won't have given up without a fight.
PS: I've added 411A to my ignore list (as recommended by a mate). Instantly the thread becomes so much more readable.
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The point you appear to be deliberately missing (and I don't understand why) is that if we don't stand up to BA over this, our pay and conditions will be wrecked. If we do stand up to them and bankrupt BA (not that I think that's a practical proposition), I'll still end up on crap pay and conditions, just with someone else.
But an interesting point is raised, if you fight and damage BA your terms and conditions could also be damaged long term. If you don't then your terms and conditions could still also be damaged long term. So what is the lesser of two evils, BA reducing them eventually or some middle east airline coming in in years to come with a take it or leave it attitude to pay and conditions?!?!
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Funny this one
Fortress LHR has over many franchised airlines, and over BAR with no support from BALPA members to their brethrin. Whilst I have no support in my blood for BA, what are they supposed to do! BA have called into the keep all troops and camp followers, now they have nothing left to fight with. US competition can trade in Chapter11, EU competition can recruit in Poland, Where can they run? Yet for years, BALPA never supported the BA underdog in their pocket.
over many franchised airlines, and over BAR with no support from BALPA members to their brethrin. Whilst I have no support in my blood for BA, what are they supposed to do! BA have called into the keep all troops and camp followers, now they have nothing left to fight with. US competition can trade in Chapter11, EU competition can recruit in Poland, Where can they run? Yet for years, BALPA never supported the BA underdog in their pocket.
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Regarding a potential strike, followed by loss of market share (lack of brand loyalty)...
...it's called LEVERAGE!
This LEVERAGE is enhanced NOT when they have public support, but when they have pilot support.
Stick together guys, stay united, and stand strong.
All the "go along-get along" BS that has occurred in the last 10-20 years has been PURELY union busting techniques of airline management.
Read Marty Levitt's book, "Confessions of a Union Buster"
Make sure you hang together, so you don't hang separately.
You have the support of the AA (APA) pilots!
Anybody on that side of the world ever hear of AIRCON?
I'll start it's own thread. Check it out.
...it's called LEVERAGE!
This LEVERAGE is enhanced NOT when they have public support, but when they have pilot support.
Stick together guys, stay united, and stand strong.
All the "go along-get along" BS that has occurred in the last 10-20 years has been PURELY union busting techniques of airline management.
Read Marty Levitt's book, "Confessions of a Union Buster"
Make sure you hang together, so you don't hang separately.
You have the support of the AA (APA) pilots!
Anybody on that side of the world ever hear of AIRCON?
I'll start it's own thread. Check it out.
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Good luck to the BA pilots.
IALPA fought this same fight, and hammered out a 'deal' with the company. Sadly, management have proceeded to ignore it to suit themselves.
As a result IALPA are balloting their pilots this week for industrial action.
Wouldn't it be nice if the BALPA and IALPA pilots for once stood together as a united front, in an action aimed at killing these trojan-horse deals dead!
Couldn't lose!
IALPA fought this same fight, and hammered out a 'deal' with the company. Sadly, management have proceeded to ignore it to suit themselves.
As a result IALPA are balloting their pilots this week for industrial action.
Wouldn't it be nice if the BALPA and IALPA pilots for once stood together as a united front, in an action aimed at killing these trojan-horse deals dead!
Couldn't lose!
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For those that are interested in the reasoning, http://www.baplane-bapilot.org
We don't expect the support of the public, we are sending a message and using the only real leverage we have....
See you by the "chimeneas" - surely braziers are far too common for us Nigels.
We don't expect the support of the public, we are sending a message and using the only real leverage we have....
See you by the "chimeneas" - surely braziers are far too common for us Nigels.
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I already posted this on a similar thread but to reiterate: To all BA pilots: This may be the most important fight of your careers! If you let the camels head in to the "scope" tent you will be forever lost. Acquiescence from you on this will give the company the green light to eventually farm out your flying in all corners of your network. It also has major implications for the other Oneworld unions. Remember, Aer Lingus has already fought this and won!
APA stands by you 100% and will help in anyway we can as, I'm sure, will the rest of the Oneworld unions.
Good luck!
To paraphrase Churchill: We shall fight them on the seas and on the oceans, we shall defend our profession, what ever the cost may be. We shall never surrender!
APA stands by you 100% and will help in anyway we can as, I'm sure, will the rest of the Oneworld unions.
Good luck!
To paraphrase Churchill: We shall fight them on the seas and on the oceans, we shall defend our profession, what ever the cost may be. We shall never surrender!
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Why have the Nigel's in BA decided to pick a fight over Open Skies, but rolled over when it came down to cold steel with the pension issue?
They got shafted then and did nothing about it. BAA workers were prepared to strike, just because their final salary scheme was being closed to new entrants.
They got shafted then and did nothing about it. BAA workers were prepared to strike, just because their final salary scheme was being closed to new entrants.
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As another IALPA member, I would also like to add my full support to BA pilots and BALPA for what's ahead. Looks like we could all be fighting side by side before long.
Nothing new.
Having said this, I can understand their combined frustration with the weasil, but it will be to no avail.
They don't stand a chance.
BALPA's time has passed.... get over it.
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If Openskies pilots are on the master seniority list and it folds in years to come and BA needs to get rid of pilots, this would presumably mean some of them are higher up the seniority list than mainline pilots, so it could be mainline pilots that get the chop.
Is that thinking correct??
Is that thinking correct??