Airtours pilot suspended for Parker Pen Logbook
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This kind of individual tarnishes the pride & reputation of our industry and deserves nothing but swift justice and to be shown " the door."
While most of us log our hours one hour at a time, year in and year out, it disturbs me that there`s probably others who will never be caught. Good riddance.
While most of us log our hours one hour at a time, year in and year out, it disturbs me that there`s probably others who will never be caught. Good riddance.
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Indeed, Phyllis - sorry, BoBus. An ex-FJ pilot in Sir Dickie's employ was understood to have falsified his total hours when competing for command. It seems that he just couldn't understand the seniority concept - as a pilot with such an illustrious background he obviously thought himself superior to the hoi-polloi. Fortunately, other ex-mil people realised that his hours couldn't possibly be genuine and the truth was out.
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Hugmonster- maybe, but only maybe. The company had assessed him as fit for command on the basis of his flying in that company, the conduct of his checks and the recommendation of his peers. All his flying at that company is verifiable, and I assume that all his civil commercial flying (the only sort that really counts in the real world) was done with them. He is probably as safe as the most under-performing (but experienced) captain in the company.
Nevertheless, before he could have been issued with a professional licence, his logbooks would have been scrutinised by the CAA. Surprised it wasn't picked up then (unless of course the Parker Pen hours are whilst with his present employer).
Nevertheless, before he could have been issued with a professional licence, his logbooks would have been scrutinised by the CAA. Surprised it wasn't picked up then (unless of course the Parker Pen hours are whilst with his present employer).
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avoman- absolutely. I'm not defending him, I was only pointing out that Mr Learmounts use of the word "terrifying" (if that is what he said) is a little over the top. No way I would want someone who cheats in their logbook on my flight deck either.
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Lets keep this in perspective guys. I work for said company and at the end of the day you have to take the licence and what you see in the logbook. I got my command after two years with this company. They checked my licence and applied for a reference from the previous company I worked for, they didn't grill me about the hours in my logbook because they expect pilots to have a certain amount of integrity.
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Rather a nasty and unprofessional post, bored cheese, particularly on a site regularly scoured by journalists looking for an easy soundbite.
If you have evidence that an individual has falsified records then you have a responsibility to take it to the authorities. I know many pilots who worked extremely hard building their flying hours in the USA and elsewhere. A single telephone call to the flying school concerned would verify any abuse along the lines of your post.
What makes you single out USA hour builders in this way, particularly since this case involves a UK military pilot? Sounds like you have your own agenda.
If you have evidence that an individual has falsified records then you have a responsibility to take it to the authorities. I know many pilots who worked extremely hard building their flying hours in the USA and elsewhere. A single telephone call to the flying school concerned would verify any abuse along the lines of your post.
What makes you single out USA hour builders in this way, particularly since this case involves a UK military pilot? Sounds like you have your own agenda.
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Raw Data makes a vaild point about where he is supposed to have falsified his hours. Flying clubs, have a requirement to keep flying records of individuals for 3 years only. When applying for a CPL the CAA, it seems, generally accept the hours shown in the log book as fact.
If he was military his log books would have been thoroughly checked periodically.
That leaves his company. Seems absurd that he would want to do such a daft thing on his own doorstep, but if he did it at least shows the company do check flying records. That's a plus on their next OSAP (do they still do those??!).
But the real signal is that anyone with Parker Pen time in the log books might want to review their position. Mr Parker's pens can be used for anything, but the CAA will throw the book at this guy if they find him with case to answer, and he can kiss his @r** and his licence goodbye I'll wager. Bloody idiot!
If he was military his log books would have been thoroughly checked periodically.
That leaves his company. Seems absurd that he would want to do such a daft thing on his own doorstep, but if he did it at least shows the company do check flying records. That's a plus on their next OSAP (do they still do those??!).
But the real signal is that anyone with Parker Pen time in the log books might want to review their position. Mr Parker's pens can be used for anything, but the CAA will throw the book at this guy if they find him with case to answer, and he can kiss his @r** and his licence goodbye I'll wager. Bloody idiot!
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Surely when you apply for ATPL issue with your "bonified" 1500 hours in hand, the CAA must check that these hours are correct. Surely they must check against tech log entires with the certain companies or do they really the hours in the log book as correct? Am I just been ignorant?
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Mmmmm,
I'm wondering......
Did this guy really make up some flights in his logbook, or has he added the wrong figures concerning his total time? There IS a big difference in this. To "invent" fictional flights and enter them in your logbook is totally unacceptable. On the other hand; adding hours to make up a total with hours that shouldn't be added is a different thing. The hours HAVE been flown, but wrongly incorporated in a total time. I myself have trouble sometimes with giving an overview of my flight time. For example: am I allowed to include full flight simulator time in my total hours? I do, although I clearly specify the difference between FS and actual FLIGHT hours.
Maybe I have missed the point, but the above posts haven't given me a clear answer to my question yet.
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The Doctor.
I'm wondering......
Did this guy really make up some flights in his logbook, or has he added the wrong figures concerning his total time? There IS a big difference in this. To "invent" fictional flights and enter them in your logbook is totally unacceptable. On the other hand; adding hours to make up a total with hours that shouldn't be added is a different thing. The hours HAVE been flown, but wrongly incorporated in a total time. I myself have trouble sometimes with giving an overview of my flight time. For example: am I allowed to include full flight simulator time in my total hours? I do, although I clearly specify the difference between FS and actual FLIGHT hours.
Maybe I have missed the point, but the above posts haven't given me a clear answer to my question yet.
Regards,
The Doctor.
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Pleeeeze, can we have a new 'Caravan' chronicle?
As this thread illustrates, the Parker bin Pen tribe are still out there and need the p-eye-ss taken out of them as effectively (and amusingly) as was done in 'The Caravan'. For anyone who hasn't read it, have a look on the Humour page. It's a giggle - and I think we've all worked for a 'Yasser Whateverusay' at sometime in our careers.
As this thread illustrates, the Parker bin Pen tribe are still out there and need the p-eye-ss taken out of them as effectively (and amusingly) as was done in 'The Caravan'. For anyone who hasn't read it, have a look on the Humour page. It's a giggle - and I think we've all worked for a 'Yasser Whateverusay' at sometime in our careers.
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Parker pen logbooks? I know of a chap who flew out of a South based flying school and when he sent his logbook off to get his licence the CAA did a random check on his hours (apparently it's something they do). Anyway, it seems he had claimed far more hours in his logbook than the aircraft he used had flown. Anyway CAA approached aforementioned aviator and questioned his integrity, he produced the receipts for all the flying he had done at the school. It appeared the school was in the habit of not logging the hours flown in the tech logs to 'prolong aircraft life between checks'. After due scrutiny by CAA seems aircrafts engine was so far beyond its approved life that it should have been scrapped.
Two lessons.
1. Its not just certain aviators that are generous with the old ink.
2. If you're hours building...keep the receipts.
Two lessons.
1. Its not just certain aviators that are generous with the old ink.
2. If you're hours building...keep the receipts.
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Scallywag, yeah! I agree with you. Apparently, he had 4000+ hrs in his log book, allegedly flew Tornado aircraft in the RAF and is in his mid 20`s. Now most guys I know who are Ex-RAF fast jet drivers average some 250hrs a year, so this dude must have had one welded to his backside for his relatively short RAF career.
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when I was in the RAF I came across a Tornado pilot who was concerned that he was not getting enough night hours to unfreeze his ATPL prior to leaving the Service. He ensured that he always flew late afternoon and then transposed the figures so that on a 2 hour flight with 30 minutes night he would end up with 30 minutes day instead. An 'honest' mistake if it was ever discovered but the problem was every flight had the same mistake! Ultimately he obtained a licence that he was not entitled to have. I fear that many other such 'irregularities' occur that are not noticed.
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