Show me the money! AA pilots opener ;-)
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AA pilot's wages, right now, are slightly worse than 1992 wages. The 51% increase represents 1992 wages, CPI adjusted (@ 2.68%/year).
In 2003, 23% pay cut turned out to be 35-40%+ paycut, as NB captains & 777 FOs displaced to 767/S80 FOs, etc... vacation & sick days were converted to a ****ty 'hours' system, resulting in much loss too.
Since 1992, top management's compensation packages have skyrocketed 700+%.
B-Scale? AA pilots were NOT the first B-Scale in the US. I believe it was Piedmont, or possibly another carrier.
The CEO, Gerard Ourpay (Arpey), trumpeted "Pull Together-Win Together"....sorry, he failed to "walk the walk", and enriched himself and others to the tune of a 1/4 billion dollars in bonuses over the last 1 1/2 years.
AA pilots are pissed, and want full restoration of purchasing power. Flying 100 hours/month to "make more money" will NOT be the solution.
If they try piecing the company apart, via sales...or manipulate the AE sale next year to the "financial" boys/hedge funds, etc... and turnaround and AE buys AA, or whatever union busting/concessionary pushing tactic they want to try--AA pilots will walk, period.
APA isn't a company union anymore. Our leadership is in place.
411A, "go pound sand"? I don't think so.
KC
In 2003, 23% pay cut turned out to be 35-40%+ paycut, as NB captains & 777 FOs displaced to 767/S80 FOs, etc... vacation & sick days were converted to a ****ty 'hours' system, resulting in much loss too.
Since 1992, top management's compensation packages have skyrocketed 700+%.
B-Scale? AA pilots were NOT the first B-Scale in the US. I believe it was Piedmont, or possibly another carrier.
The CEO, Gerard Ourpay (Arpey), trumpeted "Pull Together-Win Together"....sorry, he failed to "walk the walk", and enriched himself and others to the tune of a 1/4 billion dollars in bonuses over the last 1 1/2 years.
AA pilots are pissed, and want full restoration of purchasing power. Flying 100 hours/month to "make more money" will NOT be the solution.
If they try piecing the company apart, via sales...or manipulate the AE sale next year to the "financial" boys/hedge funds, etc... and turnaround and AE buys AA, or whatever union busting/concessionary pushing tactic they want to try--AA pilots will walk, period.
APA isn't a company union anymore. Our leadership is in place.
411A, "go pound sand"? I don't think so.
KC
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A wise man once said: " You don't get what you deserve you get what you can negotiate".
Or, in this case, extract by force.
AA management is going to pull out all the stops on this one with massive disinformation campaigns and divide and conquer strategies etc, etc. The ATA knows that if AA can't win this fight then the union busting bankruptcy orgy at UA, DL and NW was for nothing because as APA goes so will ALPA.
This will definitely go to a strike and the White House will definitely order us back to work regardless who is president. Parking 650 AA airplanes will simply be too disruptive on the economy. There are other ways to fight, however. One way would be targeted chaos. Shut down various pieces of the airline on different days. Painful for AA but not disruptive enough for government intervention.
In any case. We will win this fight. Guaranteed!
Or, in this case, extract by force.
AA management is going to pull out all the stops on this one with massive disinformation campaigns and divide and conquer strategies etc, etc. The ATA knows that if AA can't win this fight then the union busting bankruptcy orgy at UA, DL and NW was for nothing because as APA goes so will ALPA.
This will definitely go to a strike and the White House will definitely order us back to work regardless who is president. Parking 650 AA airplanes will simply be too disruptive on the economy. There are other ways to fight, however. One way would be targeted chaos. Shut down various pieces of the airline on different days. Painful for AA but not disruptive enough for government intervention.
In any case. We will win this fight. Guaranteed!
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the presidential back to work order is an obvious tool of management...and I hope that APA is smart enough to have a bright attorney to challenge this...why?
do you remember how american provided a brand new 737 NG in retro livery to haul president elect bush to IAD ?
hmmm
time to challenge the status quo...what would THEY do if no one came back to work? would president bush have as much luck with APA as he did with illegal aliens?
also, have APA declare bankruptcy seconds after a strike is called...no more wages, no more dues!
do you remember how american provided a brand new 737 NG in retro livery to haul president elect bush to IAD ?
hmmm
time to challenge the status quo...what would THEY do if no one came back to work? would president bush have as much luck with APA as he did with illegal aliens?
also, have APA declare bankruptcy seconds after a strike is called...no more wages, no more dues!
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Nothing really ever changes...
I remember saying (and everybody thought I was crazy) that the top execs' pay (and total compensation packages) should be made public. If it's a public corporation, this information is available to a shareholder (or should be, legally).
Then, pay the employees a percentage of the top guy's total compensation package. For example, (where I used to work), for several years in a row, the top guy...it was 'estimated'... was averaging $35M per year in total compensation. So, as a NB captain with 25 years service...pay me one percent of that...yes, just one percent.
Forget sick leave, vacation, pension...forget everything...just pay me the cash...1% of what the top guy makes. If I'm sick and can't fly, too bad, I don't get paid. No vacation pay, etc. Just pay me my 1% of his pay for the hours I'm supposed to fly.
I've always found it amazing how a company is 'going bankrupt' and the employees give, give, give to bail it out. All the while, the execs are not only getting pay raises, but bonuses as well, as reward for convincing the unions to give, give, give.
What happened with pensions in the U.S. is nothing short of criminal. But, it occurred, the execs profited by it, and that's the end of it. Now, the taxpayers are sending checks to these guys, since PBGC is in such bad shape. This, I feel, is wrong, too. But, once one or two companies figured out how to work the system (i.e. pay off politicians), everyone (many companies) stuck their hands in the cookie jar (bankrupted the company, raided pension funds, etc.) and left the taxpayers holding the empty bag.
PantLoad
Then, pay the employees a percentage of the top guy's total compensation package. For example, (where I used to work), for several years in a row, the top guy...it was 'estimated'... was averaging $35M per year in total compensation. So, as a NB captain with 25 years service...pay me one percent of that...yes, just one percent.
Forget sick leave, vacation, pension...forget everything...just pay me the cash...1% of what the top guy makes. If I'm sick and can't fly, too bad, I don't get paid. No vacation pay, etc. Just pay me my 1% of his pay for the hours I'm supposed to fly.
I've always found it amazing how a company is 'going bankrupt' and the employees give, give, give to bail it out. All the while, the execs are not only getting pay raises, but bonuses as well, as reward for convincing the unions to give, give, give.
What happened with pensions in the U.S. is nothing short of criminal. But, it occurred, the execs profited by it, and that's the end of it. Now, the taxpayers are sending checks to these guys, since PBGC is in such bad shape. This, I feel, is wrong, too. But, once one or two companies figured out how to work the system (i.e. pay off politicians), everyone (many companies) stuck their hands in the cookie jar (bankrupted the company, raided pension funds, etc.) and left the taxpayers holding the empty bag.
PantLoad
