Video footage of TAP A310 in extreme low flying turn at airshow

[clearedtocross]

successfull low passes

some other guys who wanted to make a big impression with an airliner and did!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNsFDiX3cvM

[Immelmann]

What is, in your mind, the limitations for airshows?
I have done some

from KRUEGER

Hi, KRUEGER,

where did you fly your airshows or displays???What a/c type?
Have you ever been on the briefing before the airshow starts?
Did you bring in your planned profile for approval?

Fox 3 !!

[604guy]

I really think that birds are being kept away during a show.

I am just curious, was that memo to the birds only in Portuguese or was it in several languages for the benefit of any foreign birds that might have been transiting the area? Perhaps a handy computer terminal had been placed in the vicinity and made user friendly for those with an ornithological persuasion so that they could update their NOTAMS?

And what if there had been an airspace violation? Would any resultant disciplinary action been dealt with by the civilian aviation authority or would that have been contracted out to the local cat population?

[SR71]

Another hooligan.

[Hand Solo]

Originally Posted by what next

And as for display regulations and pilots observing them, just look where the "big" airshow crashes with lots of fatalities took place. I don't see Portugal on that list, but rather countries like Germany, one of the most severly regulated places in the world... (and if I remember correctly, the UK has lost a few dozen spectators in airshow accidents as well over the years).

And when did those regulations come in in Germany? I'd hazard a guess it was after they learned a hard lesson at Ramstein. The UK learned the hard way at Farnborough in 1952 when an expertly trained pilot who knew what he was doing and had practiced his routine (sound familiar?) found his aircraft falling apart around him, leading to his death and that of 30 spectators. Since then the UK hasn't lost a single spectator at an airshow due to the stringent regulations, yet still manages to put on some spectacular aerial displays.

If the Portuguese authorities think it can't happen to them then thats a very dangerous attitude. Personally I'd rather watch a skilled pilot put the aircraft through it's paces above 300 feet than watch some cowboy do a straight forward but risky low altitude pass.

[AdamLT]

no chance of seeing this sort of thing in the UK.
a pretty close shave i must say...but quite fascinating to watch

[chiglet]

Janet, MEN father Children
BOYS want to......
Look at your clip...at 00.27sec the wing tip is.....LOW
at 00/29sec the wing tip is eerrrmmm
"Picked/nudged" UP
Now, I have seen a heck of a lot of
a, Air Displays
b, Air Shows
c. Air Flybys
That is not Poetry..with or without words...it is
ME, I am retiring. I am going to go out with a bang...so stuff the rules.
Fortunately......he did not go out with a bang.
watp.iktch

[redflyer]

I've been told that if the wing of my aeoplane clears an obstacle the tail will. If an A310 radalt reads 100ft they can do a knife edge, can't have been much higher than that. Show offs.. More likely very luckySorry if i'm back to the point.

[CptSilva]

First of all i´m very unhappy with the rules of this thread, i´ve been told that a reply from a Portuguese user was removed and i saw is reply and it was not abusive of any kind.
What i think is abusive is the amount of replies judging the atitudes of that AirShow ( and check again definition of Airshow ) demonstration, 99% of you guys was quiet at home and not in the Portuguese Airshow, most of you state your opinion in a web based video where there is no real sensation about the real action in the Airshow, yes it was a low pass, but most of you think that you are in the top of aviation wisdom and you guys dont know that the demonstration was trained in an aproved simulator in diferent scenarios plus 50 hours in the aircraft, this was with the aproval of the Airline and it was a special thanks to the Airbus 310 fleet since they are being phase-out starting in November.
I dont see Red Bull Air race being judge in this Forum and the stunts are almost in the same level of skill, with the diference that the aircraft is diferent and if we are talking about safety the number of persons at the Portuguese Airshow was about 10% of the amount of spectators that you found in any Red Bull Air Race.
Please dont talk about something most of you guys dont have clue, and i say again if any of you guys some day in your life have to make a go around maneuver about 50ft over the runway and have to bank the aircraft like that most of guys would not make it.
Best Regards,
Paulo Silva ( Paulo17 do LDF orgulhosamente )

[kiwi chick]

And to clarify some ignorant minds, this flight had no pax and was fully trained in the sim.

Oh - well what are we all being so pedantic for then?

Fully trained for what? Being an idiot? Cartwheel recovery?? I like airshows but had I been at that one I wouldn't have been excited - I'd have just sworn at the jerk.

[Krueger]

where did you fly your airshows or displays???What a/c type?
Have you ever been on the briefing before the airshow starts?
Did you bring in your planned profile for approval?

Hi Immelman,

Mostly Airbases, F-16, yes, yes.

Guns track, Kill.

Check Six krueger...

[LapSap]

Not much different than a standard Kennedy SID/Canarsie climb?
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=8j-3003jtuY

(Turn your speakers up!)

[Willit Run]

Most AG pilots will agree, pitch and THEN roll !

[Hand Solo]

I dont see Red Bull Air race being judge in this Forum and the stunts are almost in the same level of skill, with the diference that the aircraft is diferent and if we are talking about safety the number of persons at the Portuguese Airshow was about 10% of the amount of spectators that you found in any Red Bull Air Race.

The Red Bull Air Race is a properly organised and planned event. No chance of the aircraft hitting spectators, small lightweight aircraft flying as they were designed to be flown and capable of pulling 9+ G if they need to get out of trouble. Not the same as buzzing the tower in an A310

Please dont talk about something most of you guys dont have clue, and i say again if any of you guys some day in your life have to make a go around maneuver about 50ft over the runway and have to bank the aircraft like that most of guys would not make it.

Have you ever flown a go around in an airliner from 50ft, or from 0ft? I have. No big deal. Even banking like they did is no great challenge as long as you are climbing away from the ground rapidly. This stunt may well have been practiced extensively in the simulator, but it's not a difficult manouvre. It's excitement comes only from the fact that they are dangerously close to the ground. If they'd flown something truly challenging at a safe height we'd all be impressed. They flew something unchallenging at an unsafe height, which is why we are not impressed.

[two green one prayer]

Stupid.

I'm not a pilot. Too many knobs and buttons for a simpleton like me. I do know about danger though as I have done a lot of jobs that were iherently dangerous. The reason that I am still intact after 50 years is that I always had a plan "b" when I judged that something might go horribly wrong. I seldom had to invoke it but it was always a great comfort to know it was there. I don't think that the pilots of this aircraft had anywhere to go except straight to the smoking hole if there was the slightest human error or mechanical failure. This was an airshow not a theatre of war.

[Rippa]

Best low pass on THE BEST airplane !
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl7QgjdRONo


Enjoy.."Drive it like you stole it!" hahahahahaha

[Mark1234]

Hand Solo "The Red Bull Air Race is a properly organised and planned event. No chance of the aircraft hitting spectators, small lightweight aircraft flying as they were designed to be flown and capable of pulling 9+ G if they need to get out of trouble. Not the same as buzzing the tower in an A310"

Been to one?! Properly organised, planned, sure. As they were designed to be flown - can't argue. No chance of hitting speccys? Hmmm....

I was at longleat first time round. Standing on the bank with a few thousand people. I have a photo somewhere of a competitor coming through the gate flat chat, feet off the ground at some funny angle... pointing STRAIGHT at me 3-400m away (max). Anything hiccupped, and there would have been a good chance a lot of us would have been wearing that aeroplane.

It sticks in my mind 'cos I wondered how the h*ll they got away with putting that on from a regulatory point of view: my choice to be there, and I wasn't unhappy (acceptable risk), but I did wonder about the ignorance is bliss crowd. Also, recently there've been a couple of very close to hitting the ground moments (Kirby Chambliss, and one of the UK chaps).

FWIW I also think airshows in the UK have gone downhill since all the legislation. I also remember watching some awesome flying from the Hanna's. As for the airbus, it certainly looks dodgy, but the camera can often exaggerate. At least was pointing away from the crowd at all times.

[CYPR]

Video footage of TAP A310 near disaster at airshow

Impressive videos, yes. Forum comments would seem to prove that the rarest commodidty on God's earth is common sense........... in other words why don't some of us wish to reach old age?????

[md80fanatic]

Originally Posted by Hand Solo

They flew something unchallenging at an unsafe height, which is why we are not impressed.

I, for one, was highly impressed. The 727 clip was good too.....but the A310 held it's low altitude though a 130+ degree turn...very nice.

[Viper2]

was trained in an aproved simulator in diferent scenarios plus 50 hours in the aircraft

You want us to believe that TAP spends 50 hours in a real aircraft (without passengers I presume) to train a crew for a pass at an airshow?