Iberworld Issues
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Toady I was involved in an event involving the above mentioned carrier purely as an observer, in short we were both inbound to the same destination, non radar environment, cavok.
After they were cleared for approach to a particular runway, we slowed and maneuvered to position ourselves appropriately so that when we were call we would have already been downwind for the active.
In the midst of this the controller sent us to the hold anyway, which is located NOT overhead but along the approach part of the other direction. Shortly thereafter Mrs TCAS, starts bleating (nothing hard), during which Iberworld calls downwind…… for the opposite runway. Ie:BELOW US, where they were not meant to be!
Remember this is a non-radar environment, quite often low vis and many non TCAS aircraft in the area.
The controller has a hissy fit and bleats, Iberworld winge a little more and are given a visual approach for a downwind landing (good airmanship fellas…
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Next we get pushed out of the hold for an uneventful approach to the correctly active runway into wind.
Later in the crew room, I discussed this with other skippers to elicit their response, and the response was, oh yeah them again….
WTF
I then called the Chief Pilot who filled me in on more details, apparently there have been multiple ASR’s filed, emails sent to their flight operations and never answered, several other internal safety reports issued regarding their mistakes that have effected others in the same airspace.
So what’s the story, is their airmanship and experience level that low?
Is this another potential hole in the ground?
Anyone else have or notice issues with this group…… or are we alone?
After they were cleared for approach to a particular runway, we slowed and maneuvered to position ourselves appropriately so that when we were call we would have already been downwind for the active.
In the midst of this the controller sent us to the hold anyway, which is located NOT overhead but along the approach part of the other direction. Shortly thereafter Mrs TCAS, starts bleating (nothing hard), during which Iberworld calls downwind…… for the opposite runway. Ie:BELOW US, where they were not meant to be!
Remember this is a non-radar environment, quite often low vis and many non TCAS aircraft in the area.
The controller has a hissy fit and bleats, Iberworld winge a little more and are given a visual approach for a downwind landing (good airmanship fellas…
).Next we get pushed out of the hold for an uneventful approach to the correctly active runway into wind.
Later in the crew room, I discussed this with other skippers to elicit their response, and the response was, oh yeah them again….
WTFI then called the Chief Pilot who filled me in on more details, apparently there have been multiple ASR’s filed, emails sent to their flight operations and never answered, several other internal safety reports issued regarding their mistakes that have effected others in the same airspace.
So what’s the story, is their airmanship and experience level that low?
Is this another potential hole in the ground?
Anyone else have or notice issues with this group…… or are we alone?
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Would you care to give us a few more details, such us airport, runway in use, type of approach. (No need for the date).
Maybe that way someone could shed some light.
Maybe that way someone could shed some light.
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What do you expect!
People are buying their way into the cockpit and if it is not the LONG ILS they are out of envirement.
I feel for you... I guess it is like flying into Oshkosh with big iron on the weekend!
People are buying their way into the cockpit and if it is not the LONG ILS they are out of envirement.
I feel for you... I guess it is like flying into Oshkosh with big iron on the weekend!
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Iberworld cleared for VOR19 ended up circling visual for 01
wx at the time was 220/15 cavok
But this is really irrelevant for this discussion.
Firstly they ignored the controllers clearance,
Secondly they approached our “safety zone” for no reason
Thirdly landing downwind for no reason (especially when is 44 degrees)
More airmanship and experience issues.
Are they really paying to get into the cockpit there as well? It does answer some questions then.
Iberworld cleared for VOR19 ended up circling visual for 01
wx at the time was 220/15 cavok
But this is really irrelevant for this discussion.
Firstly they ignored the controllers clearance,
Secondly they approached our “safety zone” for no reason
Thirdly landing downwind for no reason (especially when is 44 degrees)
More airmanship and experience issues.
Are they really paying to get into the cockpit there as well? It does answer some questions then.
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Pay or suck
In Spain you either pay or know somebody.
I am afraid since the new batch of pilots has such a high standards of ethics This is going to be the norm. You know new planes fly themselves, almost.
In the other hand, If it continues like this, eventually the companies will get into the making money out of buying your own job.
Some in Spain already are!. They publicized a 10, 20, 100 new vacancies, they charge 100EUR to each person, 1000 persons show up, they give them a test and they go home with the $$$ then the few that they select, they ask them to do a Sim ride, the applicant pay for it and at the end if they select you, you have to pay for a TR.
What a way of making money, in the fee, in the Sim and in the TR, share holders must be very happy.
I even suggested it to do it in the Spanish forum as a Racket and somebody said oh but you have to be registered and it could be construed as fraud. I said well judge, I was planning on opening an airline......
I am afraid since the new batch of pilots has such a high standards of ethics This is going to be the norm. You know new planes fly themselves, almost.
In the other hand, If it continues like this, eventually the companies will get into the making money out of buying your own job.
Some in Spain already are!. They publicized a 10, 20, 100 new vacancies, they charge 100EUR to each person, 1000 persons show up, they give them a test and they go home with the $$$ then the few that they select, they ask them to do a Sim ride, the applicant pay for it and at the end if they select you, you have to pay for a TR.
What a way of making money, in the fee, in the Sim and in the TR, share holders must be very happy.
I even suggested it to do it in the Spanish forum as a Racket and somebody said oh but you have to be registered and it could be construed as fraud. I said well judge, I was planning on opening an airline......
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Beeing a while since I was there, I worked 13 months 2003 and 2004 for Iberworld, I must say that my impression is quite the opposite.
At least at that time it was a small but highly professional airline. The same goes for the crews.
At least at that time it was a small but highly professional airline. The same goes for the crews.
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No there is nothing really preventing us from filing a report but there are other “local” considerations. Personally I fly in there on an irregular basis, but I know others that are there on rotation.
Previously, there was an incident which I shall not go into the details about however the chain of event s followed.
Incident happened,
A qualified passenger filed an internal safety report to the client company in Houston.
Client Safety officer inspects and send a please explain of European Flight ops.
Chief Pilot send please explain to local safety officer & senior base pilot.
Safety Officer seeks please explain from Operating Crew
Operating crew get chewed out, for obeying ATC direction required due to the actions of Iberworld crew.
European Flight ops enquire with Iberworld Flight Ops…… no answer.
European Flight ops enquire with Local ATC.
Local ATC suspend ATCO with no salary pending investigation, threaten to have him locked up, enquire with Iberworld…….no answer.
Word gets back to the Operating crew, who then have to explain their chain of events to the local ATC, who then reinstate that ATCO (6 weeks no salary) ….. still no answer from Iberworld.
So after everyone played musical chairs for 2 months the end result is that the local based operating crew did a good job and got chewed out for it. The Local ATCO did a good job and got very chewed out and no salary for 6 weeks.
Iberworld???…… still no answer.
What happened? Nothing to the offending party.
Some places like this are far removed from the environment in Europe and you guys have to think that their laws are not the same as ours.
So in response I have not filed an “official complaint” as nothing will come of it except grief for the innocent. This is why when I was back on the continent I then spoke to some other captains and the CP.
I will file an internal safety report which will be printed in our internal crash comic and Iberworld will still take money from suckers and give the rest of us a hard time it seems.
Fly safe out there
Previously, there was an incident which I shall not go into the details about however the chain of event s followed.
Incident happened,
A qualified passenger filed an internal safety report to the client company in Houston.
Client Safety officer inspects and send a please explain of European Flight ops.
Chief Pilot send please explain to local safety officer & senior base pilot.
Safety Officer seeks please explain from Operating Crew
Operating crew get chewed out, for obeying ATC direction required due to the actions of Iberworld crew.
European Flight ops enquire with Iberworld Flight Ops…… no answer.
European Flight ops enquire with Local ATC.
Local ATC suspend ATCO with no salary pending investigation, threaten to have him locked up, enquire with Iberworld…….no answer.
Word gets back to the Operating crew, who then have to explain their chain of events to the local ATC, who then reinstate that ATCO (6 weeks no salary) ….. still no answer from Iberworld.
So after everyone played musical chairs for 2 months the end result is that the local based operating crew did a good job and got chewed out for it. The Local ATCO did a good job and got very chewed out and no salary for 6 weeks.
Iberworld???…… still no answer.
What happened? Nothing to the offending party.
Some places like this are far removed from the environment in Europe and you guys have to think that their laws are not the same as ours.
So in response I have not filed an “official complaint” as nothing will come of it except grief for the innocent. This is why when I was back on the continent I then spoke to some other captains and the CP.
I will file an internal safety report which will be printed in our internal crash comic and Iberworld will still take money from suckers and give the rest of us a hard time it seems.
Fly safe out there
