Frustrated (?) pilots and security screening
I have a question.....
Earthquake Bam Iran 2003 = 20 000+ dead
Tsunami 2004 = 250 000+ dead
Katrina 2005 = 1500+ dead
Myanmar 2008 = 20 000+ dead
Earthquake China 2008 = 40 000+ dead
So 330 000+ dead in the last 5 years to natural disasters
Who knows how many dead from the common old flu, car accidents, violent weather, starvation, heart attacks, crime, war etc etc......
USA 9/11 2001 = 2973 dead
London 7/7 2005 = 52 dead
Madrid 11/3 2004 = 191 dead
So 3000+ dead from terrorism in the west in the last 8 years.
May they all rest in peace and God(In His/Her various forms)comfort their families.
So tell me
WHY ARE WE FRIGHTENED OF TERRORISTS????????
Earthquake Bam Iran 2003 = 20 000+ dead
Tsunami 2004 = 250 000+ dead
Katrina 2005 = 1500+ dead
Myanmar 2008 = 20 000+ dead
Earthquake China 2008 = 40 000+ dead
So 330 000+ dead in the last 5 years to natural disasters
Who knows how many dead from the common old flu, car accidents, violent weather, starvation, heart attacks, crime, war etc etc......
USA 9/11 2001 = 2973 dead
London 7/7 2005 = 52 dead
Madrid 11/3 2004 = 191 dead
So 3000+ dead from terrorism in the west in the last 8 years.
May they all rest in peace and God(In His/Her various forms)comfort their families.
So tell me
WHY ARE WE FRIGHTENED OF TERRORISTS????????
Which is the worst threat to a civilised democratic society:
1. Terrorism, or
2. Fear of terrorism, or
3. The authoritarian controls put in place as an alleged counter to terrorism
????
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Stupid Security Staff
LGW South Terminal Staff Route was closed all last night. However, I was amazed to see that the area was still fully staffed all night. 
Although the area has to be guarded against pax trying to get from the Baggage Hall to the Departure Lounge and Staff to Exit; this could have been achieved with say two security guards rather than six or seven!
I've no idea why it was closed - perhaps the x-ray or the magnetic arch may have been U/S - If so, why still fully man them?
Although the area has to be guarded against pax trying to get from the Baggage Hall to the Departure Lounge and Staff to Exit; this could have been achieved with say two security guards rather than six or seven!
I've no idea why it was closed - perhaps the x-ray or the magnetic arch may have been U/S - If so, why still fully man them?
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People that keep saying they have control of the plane anyway!! I used to say that too... But Now I think....Well a pilot could carry a bomb through to put on another plane...That's just my thought as to why they still check pilots...
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modelcuirstudios - I do see where you are coming from, but your analysis is very poor. However, as a member of the public I wouldn't expect you to be better informed about security measures because of the prats responsible won't listen to anyone else except themselves. They also peddle their misguided thinking to the media - so having an informed opinion is not really possible. But the view from the inside is very different. Firstly, you don't need a explosives to disable an airliner, there are many other things that could be done. Secondly, would you go through the "front door" when there are enough "back doors" open? The trouble is, we have to work at airports and therefore we have to stick their rules. No matter how pointless and stupid the rules are, we have to stick to them. After all, no operations staff, no flights! Therefore, we have to go along with them. That is, until we decide to move to "the dark side", when we won't worry about any breaking rules. Then, we'll use the back-doors and the useless, rude, arrogant half-wits employed to make our lives difficult at airports won't be any the wiser until the problem has already occurred.
The real problem is people, not what they are carrying. Not until we have a solution that identifies potential threats will be have real security. What is called "security" is just theatre where the dummies are the actors.
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The real problem is people, not what they are carrying. Not until we have a solution that identifies potential threats will be have real security. What is called "security" is just theatre where the dummies are the actors.
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Why let police officers through with loaded weapons? They could sneak onto an aircraft and cause all sorts of trouble. They could have their family kidnapped and pass their weapon to the terrorists airside. Oh hang a minute. We trust them don't we. They have 'responsiblity'. Well how about trust the pilots too? Or is that just ridiculous?
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']It has gotten ridiculous! 
I operated a charter recently that ended up in EDI, we ended up having to position back to MAN with another airline (Flybe). It was a rush job getting from our a/c back landside to check-in for our positioning flight home.
On getting to security we were treated like criminals. I had the indignity of having what I can only describe as a SEXUAL ASSAULT of a search. I have never been searched in all my years of flying in that manner. To add further insult the arse that searched me then proceeded to lambast me in front of other passengers for wearing my airside pass! I explained to him I had just landed after a 12 hour day, I was wearing my pass as it forms part of my uniform (I was in full uniform).
For Christs sake, who do these people think they are? Do they not realise if we (flight deck) wanted to commit mass murder, it wouldn't be with an airside pass or something concealed in my underpants!
I have no doubt that these idiots expose themselves on a regular basis for what they really are, jumped up little Hitlers with King Eddies on their shoulders. The DFT should be ashamed of their selves, they think they are combating the war against terrorism, think again, they should look closer to home at these plonkers. Only last week I witnessed an X-Ray operator asleep at staff search in MAN.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! [/FONT]
I operated a charter recently that ended up in EDI, we ended up having to position back to MAN with another airline (Flybe). It was a rush job getting from our a/c back landside to check-in for our positioning flight home.
On getting to security we were treated like criminals. I had the indignity of having what I can only describe as a SEXUAL ASSAULT of a search. I have never been searched in all my years of flying in that manner. To add further insult the arse that searched me then proceeded to lambast me in front of other passengers for wearing my airside pass! I explained to him I had just landed after a 12 hour day, I was wearing my pass as it forms part of my uniform (I was in full uniform).
For Christs sake, who do these people think they are? Do they not realise if we (flight deck) wanted to commit mass murder, it wouldn't be with an airside pass or something concealed in my underpants!
I have no doubt that these idiots expose themselves on a regular basis for what they really are, jumped up little Hitlers with King Eddies on their shoulders. The DFT should be ashamed of their selves, they think they are combating the war against terrorism, think again, they should look closer to home at these plonkers. Only last week I witnessed an X-Ray operator asleep at staff search in MAN.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! [/FONT]
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Sexual assault (1) A person (A) commits an offence if
(a) he intentionally touches another person (B),
(b) the touching is sexual,
(c) B does not consent to the touching, and
(d) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
If security staff are feeling your genitals it has to be sexual doesn't it? What other motivation is there? You obviously didn't consent and no security person could have a reasonable belief, surely, that you would consent to it. Therefore, I suggest, it is a Sexual Assault under the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Call the police. We must not stand for it.
(a) he intentionally touches another person (B),
(b) the touching is sexual,
(c) B does not consent to the touching, and
(d) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
If security staff are feeling your genitals it has to be sexual doesn't it? What other motivation is there? You obviously didn't consent and no security person could have a reasonable belief, surely, that you would consent to it. Therefore, I suggest, it is a Sexual Assault under the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Call the police. We must not stand for it.
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How about, on a single predetermined day, all Aircrew that experience any form of obstruction/abuse/attitude from security, we turn around and go home, stating "unreasonable behaviour by security staff causing stress before a flight". If enough flights are cancelled or delayed, the airlines will act: no-one else has the leverage on the idiots who we appear to have left "in charge".
As a body, pilots don't seem to be very good at sticking together over things like this. Sure we all whinge about it, but actually do something? Heaven forbid!
As a body, pilots don't seem to be very good at sticking together over things like this. Sure we all whinge about it, but actually do something? Heaven forbid!
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I get screened every time I go through. I have yet to let my blood pressure get worked up about it. It's just not a big deal.
A lot of aircrew tend to whine too much. Get over it.
A lot of aircrew tend to whine too much. Get over it.
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That's interesting. Do you have a lot of experience of UK security? I notice your profile says you are in the USA. Elsewhere in the world I would agree security is a completely different experience.
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Crews often lampoon the US security staff, but the place I hate the most is the gate at LHR where they often keep you waiting for 30/40 mins. Last 2 times thru there the blonde bird running the show says it's "other crews bringing liquids through". So what, sort it out.
Maybe I'm getting paranoid because I require a response for the delay, but last time I was there the guy on the gate was summonsed over to the x-ray machine just before we were processed and I was given a 'pat down' as they quaintly describe it.
Maybe I'm getting paranoid because I require a response for the delay, but last time I was there the guy on the gate was summonsed over to the x-ray machine just before we were processed and I was given a 'pat down' as they quaintly describe it.
I am a frequent traveller through Darwin as crew and as a pax. I am always pulled up for the "Random" explosives check (my shifty eyes). One of our capt has come down hard on Darwin security and reported them to big brother as a flight hazzard. Not to bothered, it's better than LHR and way everyone is treated by "Rent-a-Thug Security plc".
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RedBull is NOT part of Dangerous Goods
Going through security some weeks ago i witnessed one of the pilots being pulled over by a security staff ( who was chewing his gum like it would go out of fashion and was scratching his privates,like you do, with 10 people and CCTV watching you....) and bullocked for bringing thru a can of RedBull. Mind you, it was 5am and the pilot had a long day ahead...
So he went out, took his RedBull with him, drank it in front of the snotty lad and went through the gate again. And then he turned to the chap in cause saying "Son, i have a crash axe in my flight deck. Do you actually think that my can of RedBull is dangerous?" And then walked away.
Obviously the guy didn't hear a word the pilot told him cause he started shouting at me, don't i know better, my lipgloss HAS to be in a clear plastic bag!!!!!!!!!!
Yes love, cause i use my lipgloss to threaten pax everyday...
Rant over!
So he went out, took his RedBull with him, drank it in front of the snotty lad and went through the gate again. And then he turned to the chap in cause saying "Son, i have a crash axe in my flight deck. Do you actually think that my can of RedBull is dangerous?" And then walked away.
Obviously the guy didn't hear a word the pilot told him cause he started shouting at me, don't i know better, my lipgloss HAS to be in a clear plastic bag!!!!!!!!!!
Yes love, cause i use my lipgloss to threaten pax everyday...
Rant over!
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Not sure how much you have all heard about the NEW WORLD ORDER.. don't worry, one day when we have RFID chips inserted in our skin, they might let up on us slightly..
These pieces of crap that pat us down, and try and annoy us have nothing. They should have worked harder in school, and I have no problem reminding them of that fact.
When we pass through security and look down at the monkeys working the x-rays, just feel sorry for them!! we are better by a long shot, they are beneath us, they're just hired help! I patronise them so severely, the stupid monkeys have no idea, they're not on the same level or anywhere near it! They are as dumb as they look!!!!
Its kind of a hobby now!! make them feel as small as they really are!
it works, they tend to stay away from me now! love my job!!!
These pieces of crap that pat us down, and try and annoy us have nothing. They should have worked harder in school, and I have no problem reminding them of that fact.
When we pass through security and look down at the monkeys working the x-rays, just feel sorry for them!! we are better by a long shot, they are beneath us, they're just hired help! I patronise them so severely, the stupid monkeys have no idea, they're not on the same level or anywhere near it! They are as dumb as they look!!!!
Its kind of a hobby now!! make them feel as small as they really are!
it works, they tend to stay away from me now! love my job!!!
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What is the current state on requirements for getting sucurity checked? I have been told that at LHR and LTN there is now no searching / screening of crew on the cargo ramp? Is this a welcome improvement to the requirements for carrying out screening, or an enlightened interpretation of the requirements?
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how this all began
If it was nt for the crap security at Boston and Newark back in 2001 we would nt be in this mess today ,but i must agree we have enough glass, sharp objects, liquids , crash axes to cause problems on board and yes we know where the threat is coming from just as we did in the days of the IRA but today as it has already been mentioned we must not offend certain groups which means we must play this silly game with the BAA and TSA ....... I wonder if any of these security people have been on airliner to see all the items we carry on board ?
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the solution ?
I wonder if some day we will come to this :
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27687
Obviously 99.999% safe
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27687
Obviously 99.999% safe
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fascism on the rise
So tell me
WHY ARE WE FRIGHTENED OF TERRORISTS????????
And why do we put up with the idiotic so called security measures we have forced on us and all the other things since 9/11. Nearly every day now some power that be, wants to impose some new fascist control on us to PROTECT us. It really is starting to feel like Germany in the 30's
WHY ARE WE FRIGHTENED OF TERRORISTS????????
And why do we put up with the idiotic so called security measures we have forced on us and all the other things since 9/11. Nearly every day now some power that be, wants to impose some new fascist control on us to PROTECT us. It really is starting to feel like Germany in the 30's
"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country".
(Nazi leader Hermann Göring at the Nurenberg trials)
The people who pull the strings are not afraid of terrorists, they are afraid of the masses. Their goal is to make everybody get so used to being absolutely controlled in every way that it starts to feel like there is no other way. And they have come a long way..
