kenya airlines 737-800 missing
Caledonian Airways lost a DC-7C in a take off accident at Douala in 1962.That definitely was a technical fault to an elevator.
111 people on board and also fell into a mangrove swamp.
111 people on board and also fell into a mangrove swamp.
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I'm absolutely disgusted with some of the replies I've read on this thread. Several of you should be ashamed of yourselves and don't deserve to call yourselves aviation professionals.
One hundred and fifteen human beings sadly lost their lives in this tragedy. Does the fact that it happened in Africa make it any less of a tragedy? Does the poor safety record of many airlines in Africa make it any less of a tragedy? Requiescat in Pace the souls of all those tragically departed.
Roy Hudd, have you even been to Africa before coming out with your inane, thoughtless and inappropriate statements? Many roads in Africa are extremely dangerous and air travel is safer from road hazards and from a security standpoint than road travel. Yes, the air safety record in Africa is poor, but there are many good, safe airlines here with excellent safety standards and records. Judge not, lest ye be judged
One hundred and fifteen human beings sadly lost their lives in this tragedy. Does the fact that it happened in Africa make it any less of a tragedy? Does the poor safety record of many airlines in Africa make it any less of a tragedy? Requiescat in Pace the souls of all those tragically departed.
Roy Hudd, have you even been to Africa before coming out with your inane, thoughtless and inappropriate statements? Many roads in Africa are extremely dangerous and air travel is safer from road hazards and from a security standpoint than road travel. Yes, the air safety record in Africa is poor, but there are many good, safe airlines here with excellent safety standards and records. Judge not, lest ye be judged
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Who wrote that article, and how does her/his position with OMW (read Vee) australia relate to aviation authority?
(that said, it's by far the most informative thing I've read on the incident)
(that said, it's by far the most informative thing I've read on the incident)
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Sad but true, aviation is unsafe in Africa. Few airlines operate enough flights to allow statistically valid safety data analyses, I agree. Those that do, simply do not pass muster.
I have flown in Africa, (unsafe environment), have driven in Africa (also dangerous), and have met many wonderful people in this beautiful, corrupt, undeveloped continent. Aviation simply requires a culture of development, and a culture of discipline and adherence to SOP's/rules. The last is sadly lacking in far too many people, including some in professional positions such as airline and military pilots. Emotion has no part in this field.
I have flown in Africa, (unsafe environment), have driven in Africa (also dangerous), and have met many wonderful people in this beautiful, corrupt, undeveloped continent. Aviation simply requires a culture of development, and a culture of discipline and adherence to SOP's/rules. The last is sadly lacking in far too many people, including some in professional positions such as airline and military pilots. Emotion has no part in this field.
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RoyHudd. I think you’re right. Although I have sympathy for the emotion displayed by Anjouan, some of the personal comments on this thread may well deter what may well be valuable contributions. This is a rumour network, and it’s only fair that we're allowed to give educated guesses.
Judging by the small number of contributions to this thread today, it looks like such negativity has sadly succeeded.
Judging by the small number of contributions to this thread today, it looks like such negativity has sadly succeeded.
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I cannot understand why some here would advocate the oppression of free speech on this blog over an aircrash. Unless of course they have something to hide, on behalf of KQ, from the ticket buying public. This is an Aviation blog for Christ Sake! Aviation people Don't Like aircrashes!
All this "calm down don't say anyting" is a load of crap. Its OUR JOB to speculate, to understand, to reach for the truth, to trouble-shoot the problem, to learn, TO THINK!
However some clearly don't like free speech, free thought, Aviators that question, or, anyone but automatons that obey blindly whatever crap they are fed for the better glory and service to the Masta' that hides behind the curtain makeing mega bucks off the deal.
Removing non-offensive posts...HOW DARE THEY!
All this "calm down don't say anyting" is a load of crap. Its OUR JOB to speculate, to understand, to reach for the truth, to trouble-shoot the problem, to learn, TO THINK!
However some clearly don't like free speech, free thought, Aviators that question, or, anyone but automatons that obey blindly whatever crap they are fed for the better glory and service to the Masta' that hides behind the curtain makeing mega bucks off the deal.
Removing non-offensive posts...HOW DARE THEY!
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Fat Reggie,
What bit you?
So far we have one nearly new B737-800 in a swamp at a location close to the airport it took off from, with no survivors.
Everything else is a matter of contradictory press reports.
"Free speech"? Sure. But 11 pages of mostly drivel, and futile speculation? To what purpose?
At times, "free speech" means keeping your trap shut until you know what you're talking about. You obviously don't.
What bit you?
So far we have one nearly new B737-800 in a swamp at a location close to the airport it took off from, with no survivors.
Everything else is a matter of contradictory press reports.
"Free speech"? Sure. But 11 pages of mostly drivel, and futile speculation? To what purpose?
At times, "free speech" means keeping your trap shut until you know what you're talking about. You obviously don't.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6636013.stm13.stm
It would seem that both the FDR and the CVR have been found, at least.
It would seem that both the FDR and the CVR have been found, at least.
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Aviators speculating what happened to cause an aircrash and sharing that speculation with other aviators is NEVER "futile". To suggest such "drivel" has absolutly NO constructive purpose unless you are afraid of the truth.
YOU don't think for me and you certainly don't speak for that Aviatior that is having trouble in a thunderstorm in the middle of the night. That aviator has a right to shared information from his/her colleagues and to use or disregard as his/her brain decides. Not disregarded by you, whatever the hell you are. I see YOU are offering nothing useful what-so-ever.
Even WHEN this "thruth" comes out....we just might further QUESTION IT! If not on this blog on thousands MORE! Maybe even in the mainstream media world wide!
How do you like them apples?
YOU don't think for me and you certainly don't speak for that Aviatior that is having trouble in a thunderstorm in the middle of the night. That aviator has a right to shared information from his/her colleagues and to use or disregard as his/her brain decides. Not disregarded by you, whatever the hell you are. I see YOU are offering nothing useful what-so-ever.
Even WHEN this "thruth" comes out....we just might further QUESTION IT! If not on this blog on thousands MORE! Maybe even in the mainstream media world wide!
How do you like them apples?
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Free speech
The great thing about free speech is that, in a time of information vacuum, it brings out those who have these wonderful theories and speculation based on essentially worthless media reports.
Their words give us a window into their minds. By their fruits shall ye know them.
Their words give us a window into their minds. By their fruits shall ye know them.
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Farting against Thunder:
I operated out of Douala in 99 with a DHC-6.
One occassion we were enroute in the late afternoon from YNS to DLA via the ED NDB.
As we approached the coast we witnessed a very significant water spout, the top of which appeared to be significantly above our level.
Followed by rain you could not possibly imagine.
Second I have felt the severity of a unidentified by radar, and accidental fly into,such a TS.
Out to the NW of YNS, we intercepted a GPS extended Centerline for YNS from a turn to the left.
The radar screen went from some mild Level 2 stuff, too a complete purple quicker than I would haver ever thought possible.
I had to give the old girl her head and actually trimmed it slight nose up as it was no good fighting it, and applied power initially,lowered a TAD of flap, and put the props into full increase, it was FL210 before I felt I could encourage it down without strainning the old thing, then I got the full force of the Down Component , and had to whip the power off and re trim and fought it as smoothly as I could, we popped out the other side at FL100 there abouts.
It was vicious, really really vicious.
I have no doubt that it IS Extremely likely this poor crew got caught in something similar.
This I have posted this from experiance, I do not think all the speculation is at all helpfull in any way.
Yes and Yes again to free speech and all that, but Fella's come on now, show some professional respect.
As for Africa being a Dangerous place to operate, I found it no more so than anywhere else on this sphere.
Yes I have had my near misses, and bad clearences through the language thingy.
But keep it in context, go back and look at what some of you Fella's are writting.
A new machine, with a good crew, God Bless them all.
RIP. Who said life was fair.
H/Snort
One occassion we were enroute in the late afternoon from YNS to DLA via the ED NDB.
As we approached the coast we witnessed a very significant water spout, the top of which appeared to be significantly above our level.
Followed by rain you could not possibly imagine.
Second I have felt the severity of a unidentified by radar, and accidental fly into,such a TS.
Out to the NW of YNS, we intercepted a GPS extended Centerline for YNS from a turn to the left.
The radar screen went from some mild Level 2 stuff, too a complete purple quicker than I would haver ever thought possible.
I had to give the old girl her head and actually trimmed it slight nose up as it was no good fighting it, and applied power initially,lowered a TAD of flap, and put the props into full increase, it was FL210 before I felt I could encourage it down without strainning the old thing, then I got the full force of the Down Component , and had to whip the power off and re trim and fought it as smoothly as I could, we popped out the other side at FL100 there abouts.
It was vicious, really really vicious.
I have no doubt that it IS Extremely likely this poor crew got caught in something similar.
This I have posted this from experiance, I do not think all the speculation is at all helpfull in any way.
Yes and Yes again to free speech and all that, but Fella's come on now, show some professional respect.
As for Africa being a Dangerous place to operate, I found it no more so than anywhere else on this sphere.
Yes I have had my near misses, and bad clearences through the language thingy.
But keep it in context, go back and look at what some of you Fella's are writting.
A new machine, with a good crew, God Bless them all.
RIP.
Who said life was fair.H/Snort
To shut off the drivel we need to shut off the faucet and die of thirst.
I prefer a water filter.
Telling somebody to shut up is not functional albeit it may be satisfying to some.
I prefer to filter my own, from the torrents of knowledge practising free speech.
Don't get me completely wrong, I do expect other readers to expose drivel when they see it, and save me from being a fool.
I prefer a water filter.
Telling somebody to shut up is not functional albeit it may be satisfying to some.
I prefer to filter my own, from the torrents of knowledge practising free speech.
Don't get me completely wrong, I do expect other readers to expose drivel when they see it, and save me from being a fool.
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In a way PPRUNE is like the crew hotel bar.....we can chew the fat over this and that and what is, or may, affect our lives.
When an air crash occurs we quite rightly want to chat about it as aviators and inquisitive human beings. Look how popular Air Crash Investigation is on the TV. People are interested in disasters.Just like sitting in the bar some of what will be said will be factual, some speculation, some pure bs.
The fact that this thread has over 600 postings is testamant to our interest in when things go wrong and results in the inevitable rumours and counter rumours, fact and fiction....
We cannot just bury our heads in the sand, be sombre, wring our hands and await the report from the so called experts. If you have not noticed recently quite a few of the final reports are inconclusive and not all parties agree with the official line, a bit like PPRUNE really !!
Having been to more accident sites than most I can see how so many different theories / scenarios abound and all are considered possible until disproven. That's the job of the official investigators.
Thankfully in this world of free speech we can all go to the bar and chew the fat......or logon to PPRUNE.
My thoughts are with the departed, their families and loved ones.
When an air crash occurs we quite rightly want to chat about it as aviators and inquisitive human beings. Look how popular Air Crash Investigation is on the TV. People are interested in disasters.Just like sitting in the bar some of what will be said will be factual, some speculation, some pure bs.
The fact that this thread has over 600 postings is testamant to our interest in when things go wrong and results in the inevitable rumours and counter rumours, fact and fiction....
We cannot just bury our heads in the sand, be sombre, wring our hands and await the report from the so called experts. If you have not noticed recently quite a few of the final reports are inconclusive and not all parties agree with the official line, a bit like PPRUNE really !!
Having been to more accident sites than most I can see how so many different theories / scenarios abound and all are considered possible until disproven. That's the job of the official investigators.
Thankfully in this world of free speech we can all go to the bar and chew the fat......or logon to PPRUNE.
My thoughts are with the departed, their families and loved ones.