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Well said Fat Reg. There have been some posts (none of them mine of course) on this thread which I have thought were silly (perhaps even stupid) at best.....but whatever our opinion they have the right to express the thought.
There have been a number of posts about aviation in Africa being dangerous but let us not forget 2 things
1. In most endeavours in life we correct our mistakes......in aviation we most often bury them. We as aviators often pride ourselves in facts like these.....it is a statement about the required exactness of what we do.
2. We also staunchly claim and assert that the final responsibility of the safety of the aircraft rests with us and we have the right to override all in the interests of safety......that being so the sad lack of facilities etc we often find in Africa is of itself not a reason for aviation to be dangerous.
I find posts like the one earlier that dealt with the water spout and the extremity of weather to be fascinating.......we should all be aware of the power of the elements and not be lulled into a false sense of security by the technology we are often allowed to wear around the sky
There have been a number of posts about aviation in Africa being dangerous but let us not forget 2 things
1. In most endeavours in life we correct our mistakes......in aviation we most often bury them. We as aviators often pride ourselves in facts like these.....it is a statement about the required exactness of what we do.
2. We also staunchly claim and assert that the final responsibility of the safety of the aircraft rests with us and we have the right to override all in the interests of safety......that being so the sad lack of facilities etc we often find in Africa is of itself not a reason for aviation to be dangerous.
I find posts like the one earlier that dealt with the water spout and the extremity of weather to be fascinating.......we should all be aware of the power of the elements and not be lulled into a false sense of security by the technology we are often allowed to wear around the sky
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Good thread on a sad subject.
Speaking as a non-aviation professional I think something significant has emerged from this thread.
Granted 99.9% of posts were speculation I hope someone, somewhere who can change things also noticed how one aspect of crash location can be made better.
If it was not for the "drivel" on this thread I would not have realised what needed to be done.
We cannot stop aircraft crashing, but we can know where they hit the ground.
Granted 99.9% of posts were speculation I hope someone, somewhere who can change things also noticed how one aspect of crash location can be made better.
If it was not for the "drivel" on this thread I would not have realised what needed to be done.
We cannot stop aircraft crashing, but we can know where they hit the ground.
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Drivel
Possibly the reason that some of you think it's drivel and others wonderful is because some of you think of it as a 'blog' where you can voice your opinion however worthless, and others remain wedded to the original intent when pprune was set up in the '90s. Some of the postings to this thread, and the LAX-LHR 3 engined thread were classic examples that go against the spirit of the rules: http://www.pprune.org/forums/misc.php?do=cfrules
particularly its raison d'etre: "The Professional Pilots Rumour Network (PPRuNe) is a community of professional pilots and people who work in aviation, both experienced and inexperienced. Your behaviour here, and ours, can be summed up in four words: "Mi casa, su casa" (my house is your house)"
I work on the fringes of aviation (fuel, runways, etc.) and pprune helps me do my job. I personally support Rainboe - now silenced for reminding you of the rules and rationale - and while he was perhaps a bit forceful, by and large everything he said was true.
This is NOT a blog. It is a community of professional pilots and people who work in aviation and while you may bang on about Free Speech, remember that free speech comes with responsibilities otherwise it gets taken away - as it nearly did over the Dick Smith/Caroline Tulip case. You all have a responsibility to only comment within your knowledge base and within the rules. Suggest that that some of you read them.
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particularly its raison d'etre: "The Professional Pilots Rumour Network (PPRuNe) is a community of professional pilots and people who work in aviation, both experienced and inexperienced. Your behaviour here, and ours, can be summed up in four words: "Mi casa, su casa" (my house is your house)"
I work on the fringes of aviation (fuel, runways, etc.) and pprune helps me do my job. I personally support Rainboe - now silenced for reminding you of the rules and rationale - and while he was perhaps a bit forceful, by and large everything he said was true.
This is NOT a blog. It is a community of professional pilots and people who work in aviation and while you may bang on about Free Speech, remember that free speech comes with responsibilities otherwise it gets taken away - as it nearly did over the Dick Smith/Caroline Tulip case. You all have a responsibility to only comment within your knowledge base and within the rules. Suggest that that some of you read them.
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Pinkman, thank you for your concise clarification of PPRuNe's raison d'etre. One minor point though... Rainboe has not been silenced. He may be quiet at the moment but don't let that lull some of the 'amateurs' into a false sense of security so that they can carry on trying to mix it amongst the professionals. Rainboe has no leash and could, at any moment, very easily leap in amongst the unsuspecting 'amateurs', harassing, worrying and ripping their posts to shreds.
Whilst not a PPRuNe moderator, Rainboe should be considered as the Rottweiler some of us mods keep by our side. Don't pet or feed him. He does not tolerate fools gladly. He has the experience to back up his views.
To the rest of the readers of this website, any posts you make should be done with the knowledge that there are probably several ways to get your point across. Some ways are likely to incur the wrath of Rainboe and quite often we will not be around to save you from the bruising you may receive.
You have been warned!
Whilst not a PPRuNe moderator, Rainboe should be considered as the Rottweiler some of us mods keep by our side. Don't pet or feed him. He does not tolerate fools gladly. He has the experience to back up his views.
To the rest of the readers of this website, any posts you make should be done with the knowledge that there are probably several ways to get your point across. Some ways are likely to incur the wrath of Rainboe and quite often we will not be around to save you from the bruising you may receive.
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Back to the subject of this thread has the crash site now been "for real" (not going to change it in the next edition) confirmed as 5 km from the runway and has the voice recorder been found?
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"So has the DFDR already arrived in Canada?"
Don't know. There had to be agreement between Cameroon and Kenya before that step took place.
If you've ever seen an animation of actual moments before crash based on (D)FDR data - that program was developed in conjuction with the TSB and has proved to be very helpfull in the past.
Don't know. There had to be agreement between Cameroon and Kenya before that step took place.
If you've ever seen an animation of actual moments before crash based on (D)FDR data - that program was developed in conjuction with the TSB and has proved to be very helpfull in the past.
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If both recorders have been (or to be) sent to Canada, then I do not think you can look forward to any info quickly. The Canadians are very slow to release information, and are forbidden by law to release any cockpit voice recording info. Only if something is quickly discovered that requires a SB from Boeing will info be forthcoming soon.
So has the DFDR already arrived in Canada? I am sort of looking forward to the first real evidence/data, as all of you are.
The more likey tidbit that might leak it's way out in weeks would be an obvious mechanical fault.
Just as an example, I'm still waiting for any hint of DFDR data that even hints at why the GOL B737 went down
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Just a thought.....
If the 5 kms is correct that would be less than a minute after lift-off (I believe one Kenyan Airways spokesman referred to 30 second) the wheel would hardly have been in the wells.....then this probably qualifies as a take-off accident, and probably opens a whole new bunch of possibilities.
Interestingly I watched the video footage of the Thompson's incident yesterday and (granted it was daylight VFR not an appalling night in Douala) they made a mayday call before they had crossed the end of the runway.
If the 5 kms is correct that would be less than a minute after lift-off (I believe one Kenyan Airways spokesman referred to 30 second) the wheel would hardly have been in the wells.....then this probably qualifies as a take-off accident, and probably opens a whole new bunch of possibilities.
Interestingly I watched the video footage of the Thompson's incident yesterday and (granted it was daylight VFR not an appalling night in Douala) they made a mayday call before they had crossed the end of the runway.
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Air Wise reports data from a French satellite station led Cameroon rescuers 150 km off track as they searched last weekend . Story at
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1178890203.html
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1178890203.html
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One shall continue to regard the canister in question as a basket of flowers and the recent appalling lapse into colloquial English as nothing more than a temporary, if intentional aberration or wandering of the intellect.
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Or even ....
Prismatic, or sometimes just called "prism", refers to a usually long, narrow, wedge-shaped sedimentary body with a width to thickness ratio greater than 5 to 1 but less than 50 to 1, and a length 1.5 to 3 times its width.
Prismatic is a novel of plague, madness and buried secrets.
Is there something that Cavorting Cheetah knows that we don't?
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PS To quote Mandy, one of Dick Emery's best loved characters "Ooh, you are awful - but I like you! ..."
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"Our concern as aviation professionals at the moment is for the crew, and their family, it is their bird. The passengers are responsibility of the insurance company, and the company public relations."
As an outsider (i.e, not employed in the industry), your view is quite enlightening. I'm wondering if it's reflective of all those who work in the aviation industry and perhaps is worthy of a wider audience (i.e national newspapers)?
You must be very proud of yourself
As an outsider (i.e, not employed in the industry), your view is quite enlightening. I'm wondering if it's reflective of all those who work in the aviation industry and perhaps is worthy of a wider audience (i.e national newspapers)?
You must be very proud of yourself
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chuckles1066 - you picked one, unrepresentative, post out of hundreds, and if you had read them all you would know that. Any journalist worthy of the title will have read on.
The pros on here are looking to learn from this accident, to make aviation safer - for us, their passengers.
Lets let them carry on.
The pros on here are looking to learn from this accident, to make aviation safer - for us, their passengers.
Lets let them carry on.
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Thread is deteriorating by the hour and minute. Alas, just like so many "hot" topics before it.
No wonder many "old salts" have migrated to other levels in the building after know-nothings-acclaiming-right-of speech-and-who-cares entered the scene.
Rainboe has had the courage to speek up for all of us! Anyone can get a desperate feeling while sifting through umphteen posts only to find nothing useful.
What gives anyone a "right to waste somebody elses time" and not heed their justified protests ???
Sad. This place once was a serendipity re aviation info.
Sorry if going OT, just had to let the steam out...
No wonder many "old salts" have migrated to other levels in the building after know-nothings-acclaiming-right-of speech-and-who-cares entered the scene.
Rainboe has had the courage to speek up for all of us! Anyone can get a desperate feeling while sifting through umphteen posts only to find nothing useful.
What gives anyone a "right to waste somebody elses time" and not heed their justified protests ???
Sad. This place once was a serendipity re aviation info.
Sorry if going OT, just had to let the steam out...
