BA to recruit DEPs on to the 744.
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Flaps,
reasonably low and sliding backwards due to transfers from EOG, but I'm not giving you any more clues than that. The problem is too many pilots and not enough aircraft, though I heard a good one this morning, that if EOG don't hurry up and give us the extra a/c we need, LHR will try to lease a 737 from Deutsche BA.
B Clam,
on the airbus front, they can't get enough pilots, and from a quick poll among people I know, a typical airbus FO is flying the same amount in 1 month as I have in 3. They are crying out for a rest. It doesn't necessarily follow though that management has noticed this and will put you on that fleet as a DEP unless you are already type-rated on the Airbus.
reasonably low and sliding backwards due to transfers from EOG, but I'm not giving you any more clues than that. The problem is too many pilots and not enough aircraft, though I heard a good one this morning, that if EOG don't hurry up and give us the extra a/c we need, LHR will try to lease a 737 from Deutsche BA.
B Clam,
on the airbus front, they can't get enough pilots, and from a quick poll among people I know, a typical airbus FO is flying the same amount in 1 month as I have in 3. They are crying out for a rest. It doesn't necessarily follow though that management has noticed this and will put you on that fleet as a DEP unless you are already type-rated on the Airbus.
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Pandora,
You mentioned earlier that your roster bears no relation at the beginning of the month to the trips you actually do. Well you must be in a very small minority because I know of no-one else who can claim the same - or maybe it's just your particular fleet? You then go on to say that the Airbus boys are flying three times as hard as you are each month....simple maths means that you must be doing less than 30 hours a month. What a fantastic position to be in - any chance of swopping places with me? we do 900 hours a year and still get plenty of time off.
You mentioned earlier that your roster bears no relation at the beginning of the month to the trips you actually do. Well you must be in a very small minority because I know of no-one else who can claim the same - or maybe it's just your particular fleet? You then go on to say that the Airbus boys are flying three times as hard as you are each month....simple maths means that you must be doing less than 30 hours a month. What a fantastic position to be in - any chance of swopping places with me? we do 900 hours a year and still get plenty of time off.
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B clam - After less than a year on the Airbus I am about 1/3rd up the FO list, this will rapidly become 2/3rds within a year. Currently the Airbus has 90 crews that will grow to well over 300 in the bext few years.
We have one new a/c arriving per month for the forseable future.
Many DEP's I know were 75 or 73 rated but were put on the Airbus. Even Airbus rated DEP's were put through the full course again.
Work pattern is typically 10+ days off per month, have had up to 15 off. Work hard for short periods mostly 2-4 day 'tours' doing 2-3 sector days. I've averaged 550 hours a year.
Their are day flights if that what you prefer, but less allowances. Although as the fleet expands it will become mostly tours.
Take home varies from £2600 - £3400, I would say average around £2850.
Note, no allowances during training.
The most 'valuable' trip lines are worth around £1700, the number of these should increase as we get more of the 75 routes and longer tours.
Good hotels, nice new a/c, everything laid on a plate in BA .... Not expected to do manual loadsheets or set the fuel panel here !
Crew transport and pick ups arrive bang on time, all paper work ready on arrival, its a very different world to what I was used to but I still miss my old job !!!
We have one new a/c arriving per month for the forseable future.
Many DEP's I know were 75 or 73 rated but were put on the Airbus. Even Airbus rated DEP's were put through the full course again.
Work pattern is typically 10+ days off per month, have had up to 15 off. Work hard for short periods mostly 2-4 day 'tours' doing 2-3 sector days. I've averaged 550 hours a year.
Their are day flights if that what you prefer, but less allowances. Although as the fleet expands it will become mostly tours.
Take home varies from £2600 - £3400, I would say average around £2850.
Note, no allowances during training.
The most 'valuable' trip lines are worth around £1700, the number of these should increase as we get more of the 75 routes and longer tours.
Good hotels, nice new a/c, everything laid on a plate in BA .... Not expected to do manual loadsheets or set the fuel panel here !
Crew transport and pick ups arrive bang on time, all paper work ready on arrival, its a very different world to what I was used to but I still miss my old job !!!
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Pandora,
My apologies, I didn't seriously believe that BA would be allowing anyone to get away with working that little.
How has it come about? You know what happened to the excess F/O's on the B744, I'm surprised there haven't been redirections for the junior guys on your fleet to the Airbus.
My apologies, I didn't seriously believe that BA would be allowing anyone to get away with working that little.
How has it come about? You know what happened to the excess F/O's on the B744, I'm surprised there haven't been redirections for the junior guys on your fleet to the Airbus.
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I would like to ask the BA junior 747 and minibus guys for some advice.
I work for one of the charter companies on a mix of long and short haul...nice flying. The company look after us and I have a lot of friends there. I take home on average £3000 a month inc. flight pay and I have anywhere between three years and five years to command(on short haul). However rostering is s..t and what I want out of life is the ability to live abroad but this is not possible with the charter companies. Money and flying come second to this...my wife works and has the ability to commute within Europe and that lifestyle is what we are after.
I would be very interested in your comments (application form on hold)
I work for one of the charter companies on a mix of long and short haul...nice flying. The company look after us and I have a lot of friends there. I take home on average £3000 a month inc. flight pay and I have anywhere between three years and five years to command(on short haul). However rostering is s..t and what I want out of life is the ability to live abroad but this is not possible with the charter companies. Money and flying come second to this...my wife works and has the ability to commute within Europe and that lifestyle is what we are after.
I would be very interested in your comments (application form on hold)
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Whoops - Depends upon your age and seniority at present. I would say to anyone over 35 to think carefully about jumping ship to BA, 20 years is a good innings to the current 55 retirement age and should see a long haul command in the later years.
BA EOG commands currently running at about 3 years for DEP's, LHR mainline shorthaul about 6 years. Their is still a retirement bulge of close to 1000 pilots over the next 5 years, but after that it slows right down and future promotion will be slow.
If you are not unhappy where you are and think it is secure think carefully.
BA offer huge variety but it is a senior mans airline which many DEP's will never see, plus many fleets are very impersonal a thing I miss from my old company knowing who I was working with ....
BA EOG commands currently running at about 3 years for DEP's, LHR mainline shorthaul about 6 years. Their is still a retirement bulge of close to 1000 pilots over the next 5 years, but after that it slows right down and future promotion will be slow.
If you are not unhappy where you are and think it is secure think carefully.
BA offer huge variety but it is a senior mans airline which many DEP's will never see, plus many fleets are very impersonal a thing I miss from my old company knowing who I was working with ....
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Pandora,
Sounds to me like you are in the position I was a few years ago..No work, no money, but very keen.
It changes....My first year I achieved about 220, last year I got 630 (B4 overtime). Don't worry, as soon as the beancounters see your productivity you will fly more! and I had sooo much roster change in Feb, but we all know why that was.
And whoever asked....
EOG = European Operations at Gatwick
= BA B737 from gatwick.
C......ough
Sounds to me like you are in the position I was a few years ago..No work, no money, but very keen.
It changes....My first year I achieved about 220, last year I got 630 (B4 overtime). Don't worry, as soon as the beancounters see your productivity you will fly more! and I had sooo much roster change in Feb, but we all know why that was.
And whoever asked....
EOG = European Operations at Gatwick
= BA B737 from gatwick.
C......ough
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Whoops,
In view of your special circumstances and age, BA L/H is a positive step. But, you have to be aware- there has been a lot of recruitment into BA, and the average age of co-pilots is down. Time to command could be long as they will be in those slots for a long time. Commuting works well- many in France, quite a few in Spain, the Oz guy is junior, some in South Africa, one or two in the States. Must be L/H though.
In view of your special circumstances and age, BA L/H is a positive step. But, you have to be aware- there has been a lot of recruitment into BA, and the average age of co-pilots is down. Time to command could be long as they will be in those slots for a long time. Commuting works well- many in France, quite a few in Spain, the Oz guy is junior, some in South Africa, one or two in the States. Must be L/H though.
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Lots of complaints here from DEPs. No one seems to mention the lovely pension and retirement age. If you want to vote with your feet (and please do as I will soon be joining) Virgin are looking for 400 rated guys and you get good routes/earn 3xcabincrew salary/longhaul command reasonably quick/good times down route etc etc..
You start on 40K but apart from a few bucks and plenty of beer down route thats less than you "poor" guys get.
and VS have a useless pension so you are working till you are 65.
love to all
You start on 40K but apart from a few bucks and plenty of beer down route thats less than you "poor" guys get.
and VS have a useless pension so you are working till you are 65.
love to all