BA to recruit DEPs on to the 744.
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I heard the other day you'd withdrawn your resignation???
Incipient,
I was at north east's own 93-97. Did we meet?
Dissi Loo Shunned,
What have they said about taking your gross pay from your bond? I tried to do the same not so long ago but the Inland Revenue would not allow tax relief on the monies due so there was no saving. You'd be better off giving them a nominal figure as it's "all you can afford." They won't take you to court as it will side with you as long as you're not taking the piss.
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I heard the other day you'd withdrawn your resignation???
Incipient,
I was at north east's own 93-97. Did we meet?
Dissi Loo Shunned,
What have they said about taking your gross pay from your bond? I tried to do the same not so long ago but the Inland Revenue would not allow tax relief on the monies due so there was no saving. You'd be better off giving them a nominal figure as it's "all you can afford." They won't take you to court as it will side with you as long as you're not taking the piss.
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VS leavers...
I tried the "knock bond off salary" with VS a few years back.. but LS (if she's still in personnel) wouldn't play...
So I got VS to give me a VAT receipt - they squirmed, but realised they had to, so at least 17.5% went to HMG. I then put the cost down as a "job expense" on my Tax Return, and the taxman sent me 40% of it back... Of course that was my "self assessment", and he never queried it!
NoD
I tried the "knock bond off salary" with VS a few years back.. but LS (if she's still in personnel) wouldn't play...
So I got VS to give me a VAT receipt - they squirmed, but realised they had to, so at least 17.5% went to HMG. I then put the cost down as a "job expense" on my Tax Return, and the taxman sent me 40% of it back... Of course that was my "self assessment", and he never queried it!
NoD
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I'm just in the process of filling my DEP application in.
I have a CPL but have the hours required for an ATPL. In my present company I'm not going to be considered for a command until I get another 2,000 hours so don't really see the need to spend the wonga on getting an ATPL issued.
However on the BA DEP checklist it states an ATPL is required. Anyone been recently to interview with only a CPL and is in a similar position to me?! (i.e. a tight fisted jock!)
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I have a CPL but have the hours required for an ATPL. In my present company I'm not going to be considered for a command until I get another 2,000 hours so don't really see the need to spend the wonga on getting an ATPL issued.
However on the BA DEP checklist it states an ATPL is required. Anyone been recently to interview with only a CPL and is in a similar position to me?! (i.e. a tight fisted jock!)
[This message has been edited by Scottie (edited 16 May 2001).]
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Scottie,
Get your ATPL. If you wanna go on the 744 or 777 will will need it. All co-pilots on these fleets need the licence as you have to be APIC (Acting Pilot In Command) qualified for when the skipper is in the bunk and your in the LHS with another co in the RHS!
Barnstormer
Get your ATPL. If you wanna go on the 744 or 777 will will need it. All co-pilots on these fleets need the licence as you have to be APIC (Acting Pilot In Command) qualified for when the skipper is in the bunk and your in the LHS with another co in the RHS!
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Dearest Incipient,
Sorry to sound so naive, or should I say honest...
I thought "the likes of you" was a little harsh-you should really know the facts (if you were being abrasive)-if you don't know the circumstances you make yourself sound naive.
Back in 1989 BA paid for my licence-the Gulf war came along and I wasn't taken on. A few years later I was offerred a job, couldn't take it. Then over the next 10 years I either wasn't in a position to take a job offerred by BA or they turned me down.Finally I found myself in the hold pool and due to personal circumstances decided to wait 3 years for a long haul slot.
So you could say I have done my time on a 'fleet freeze' and with more than 5000 hours on the 747/744 I think I am qualified to be a DEP on the 744.
Also one minute you are complaining that you are being badly treated by the system-the next you are revelling in the fact you can use it to your own advantage to leave me with just "trash trips"!
We are all just trying to get the best we can and most of us are not in competition with others.
Aviation is always about 'right place right time'
Anyway, enough rabbiting on,
Love to all
Sorry to sound so naive, or should I say honest...
I thought "the likes of you" was a little harsh-you should really know the facts (if you were being abrasive)-if you don't know the circumstances you make yourself sound naive.
Back in 1989 BA paid for my licence-the Gulf war came along and I wasn't taken on. A few years later I was offerred a job, couldn't take it. Then over the next 10 years I either wasn't in a position to take a job offerred by BA or they turned me down.Finally I found myself in the hold pool and due to personal circumstances decided to wait 3 years for a long haul slot.
So you could say I have done my time on a 'fleet freeze' and with more than 5000 hours on the 747/744 I think I am qualified to be a DEP on the 744.
Also one minute you are complaining that you are being badly treated by the system-the next you are revelling in the fact you can use it to your own advantage to leave me with just "trash trips"!
We are all just trying to get the best we can and most of us are not in competition with others.
Aviation is always about 'right place right time'
Anyway, enough rabbiting on,
Love to all
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Excellent thread; combined with the wise words from a couple of sage old buddies, the preceding 10 pages have helped me to make up my mind. There seems to be more than a majority agreement that joining BA amounts to spending (what should be) the best years of one's life as a deeply embittered junior malcontent, dreaming wearily of the day when, and IF, one may become senior enough to graduate to the ranks of deeply embittered senior malcontents who, it is true, get paid telephone numbers, but sadly are far to old and far too bitter to know what to do with all the cash.
And for all that, it seems that you guys milking the cash-cow get b*ggered around just as much, if not more, than us paupers in charter-land. If this post sounds agressive, forgive me...it isn't meant to be so in any way. I am genuinely grateful for the frankness of previous posts and feel so much happier now that my mind is made up. DEP application form has been filed under "Bravo One November"!
And for all that, it seems that you guys milking the cash-cow get b*ggered around just as much, if not more, than us paupers in charter-land. If this post sounds agressive, forgive me...it isn't meant to be so in any way. I am genuinely grateful for the frankness of previous posts and feel so much happier now that my mind is made up. DEP application form has been filed under "Bravo One November"!
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Chequesicks and others,
The thing with the written word as opposed to a face-to-face meeting is that both ends of the spectrum get exagerated. Many things that are 'said' on this forum would never be expressed by someone standing in front of you; even if they were, you would be able to tell whether people are taking the piss or not, something not easily done on the forum.
Sure, we have our moans in BA, and many of them are justified; but as a lifestyle in general, the buggeration factor is far less than in any charter outfit. Once our roster is posted it is pretty much set in stone, even through the summer months. Our standby (in LH) is done in a block within a 3 week period, for a junior guy like me this block comes around about once a year - shortly to become once every 2 years. Generally if the company requests that you work a day(s) off it is your choice and they will pay handsomely for your time.
What is true about the recruitment into BA is that it is not easy to find out what your life is going to be like once you're in the company. It's all done with smoke and mirrors! Basically, someone else earlier in the thread hit the nail on the head. Seniority is everything - it determines your lifestyle within BA - as much as the fleet you're on, if not more. What it comes down to is this - if you are even considering joining BA do it now. Do not hold back and wait for a better offer, people will be joining ahead of you. It doesn't matter that you have more experience than a cadet straight from Oxford or wherever - if he joins before you he will be senior to you and have a better lifestyle etc. If you are not considering BA then bin the form and get on with your career elsewhere - there are plenty of jobs out there for qualified, experienced people, make the most of it.
Quick note to Incipient:-
I think I know who you are, if so it pains me to read some of your comments as they come across as snide and facetious. You may not have meant it that way but there you go. If you are who I think you are then you are hardly the most experienced jet-jockey in the world and in any other company you may not even get a look in at the '400. Just sit quiet and accept the fact that you will be getting better trips than some when you do get there - please don't brag about it. You may end up sitting next to one of us in later life - the sectors are long enough - don't make them even longer! :-)
Love and kisses, etc.
Underdog
The thing with the written word as opposed to a face-to-face meeting is that both ends of the spectrum get exagerated. Many things that are 'said' on this forum would never be expressed by someone standing in front of you; even if they were, you would be able to tell whether people are taking the piss or not, something not easily done on the forum.
Sure, we have our moans in BA, and many of them are justified; but as a lifestyle in general, the buggeration factor is far less than in any charter outfit. Once our roster is posted it is pretty much set in stone, even through the summer months. Our standby (in LH) is done in a block within a 3 week period, for a junior guy like me this block comes around about once a year - shortly to become once every 2 years. Generally if the company requests that you work a day(s) off it is your choice and they will pay handsomely for your time.
What is true about the recruitment into BA is that it is not easy to find out what your life is going to be like once you're in the company. It's all done with smoke and mirrors! Basically, someone else earlier in the thread hit the nail on the head. Seniority is everything - it determines your lifestyle within BA - as much as the fleet you're on, if not more. What it comes down to is this - if you are even considering joining BA do it now. Do not hold back and wait for a better offer, people will be joining ahead of you. It doesn't matter that you have more experience than a cadet straight from Oxford or wherever - if he joins before you he will be senior to you and have a better lifestyle etc. If you are not considering BA then bin the form and get on with your career elsewhere - there are plenty of jobs out there for qualified, experienced people, make the most of it.
Quick note to Incipient:-
I think I know who you are, if so it pains me to read some of your comments as they come across as snide and facetious. You may not have meant it that way but there you go. If you are who I think you are then you are hardly the most experienced jet-jockey in the world and in any other company you may not even get a look in at the '400. Just sit quiet and accept the fact that you will be getting better trips than some when you do get there - please don't brag about it. You may end up sitting next to one of us in later life - the sectors are long enough - don't make them even longer! :-)
Love and kisses, etc.
Underdog
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Latest word is that Boeing has now offered BA an exchange of 14 new 777s for 14 of our 744s (to be converted to freighters). BA has until the end of June to reach a decision.
So everything is up in the air once again!
If you are coming to BA you might be better off going to the 777. If you come to the 744 there is the increased chance of being directed off the fleet in the not too distant future. The issue being that, whilst on a course, you will only be paid your basic salary (take home <2,000 GBP). Most people can't afford to do this twice in one year.
Other news is that current recruitment numbers for the year are now expected to be 120 CEPs and 80 DEPs.
So everything is up in the air once again!
If you are coming to BA you might be better off going to the 777. If you come to the 744 there is the increased chance of being directed off the fleet in the not too distant future. The issue being that, whilst on a course, you will only be paid your basic salary (take home <2,000 GBP). Most people can't afford to do this twice in one year.
Other news is that current recruitment numbers for the year are now expected to be 120 CEPs and 80 DEPs.
