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Life's A Riot,
The stereotype - at least at the junior end of the scale - couldn't be further from the truth. In fact it more accurately describes the cabin crew - who, it's already been pointed out often earn more than you! Indeed, if I hear one more CC talk about how much money they've made on their 2 bedroomed flat in Brighton I'll probably throttle them ;-)
Don't expect to fraternise too much with the CC downroute - it does happen, but probably less than 60% of the time and you'll have to do most of the running. i.e. don't expect to get invited to 'their' room parties. (LGW seem to be more affable than LHR, but the '400 won't be operating out of LGW as of the winter schedule (LGW = Lets Go Wild, LHR = Lets Have Room service))
Actually, you can be left betweeen a rock and a hard place socially. It comes down to a choice of socialising with the skipper and being bored to death whilst he extols the crystalisation of his pension, or chasing the CC in which case they expect you to buy all the drinks whilst moaning about how much their stock in BA has fallen! Tough Call! ;-)
OK, so people do go skiing occassionally, lots of us African corp play golf and plenty of people socialise enough to use their 5 units allowance (hic). So it's not all doom and gloom.
Just as a matter of interest it seems we'll be operating another '400 next year so maybe more movement up the seniority list?
Underdog
(Let me know when you're next in the Wellington, Riding Mill and we can discuss it properly! Monday on is good.)
The stereotype - at least at the junior end of the scale - couldn't be further from the truth. In fact it more accurately describes the cabin crew - who, it's already been pointed out often earn more than you! Indeed, if I hear one more CC talk about how much money they've made on their 2 bedroomed flat in Brighton I'll probably throttle them ;-)
Don't expect to fraternise too much with the CC downroute - it does happen, but probably less than 60% of the time and you'll have to do most of the running. i.e. don't expect to get invited to 'their' room parties. (LGW seem to be more affable than LHR, but the '400 won't be operating out of LGW as of the winter schedule (LGW = Lets Go Wild, LHR = Lets Have Room service))
Actually, you can be left betweeen a rock and a hard place socially. It comes down to a choice of socialising with the skipper and being bored to death whilst he extols the crystalisation of his pension, or chasing the CC in which case they expect you to buy all the drinks whilst moaning about how much their stock in BA has fallen! Tough Call! ;-)
OK, so people do go skiing occassionally, lots of us African corp play golf and plenty of people socialise enough to use their 5 units allowance (hic). So it's not all doom and gloom.
Just as a matter of interest it seems we'll be operating another '400 next year so maybe more movement up the seniority list?
Underdog
(Let me know when you're next in the Wellington, Riding Mill and we can discuss it properly! Monday on is good.)
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737AA, not only are wildcat strikes illegal but any part of the process leading up to a strike can be challenged in court by the company. Any form of industrial action, even working to rule, and even if the union doesn't endorse it can lead to the company suing the union and sequestrating it's assets. Last time round the company also said it was going to sue us personally for any losses. Personally, I think that was just bluster but enough people bought it to become worried
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Hey Noblues,
as you seem to be coming where I come from, can you maybe reflect on underdogs comment about the social life enroute(page 7)?
How do they treat our species out there?
Actually, it seems the same as here, it's a flag-carriers disease I guess
On those 2-4 tours, are the cc on the same route or is it a split roster?
2night to the best british dest as it comes to pubs and disco's...cc or not, I'll be enjoying myself
Mazzel
as you seem to be coming where I come from, can you maybe reflect on underdogs comment about the social life enroute(page 7)?
How do they treat our species out there?
Actually, it seems the same as here, it's a flag-carriers disease I guess
On those 2-4 tours, are the cc on the same route or is it a split roster?
2night to the best british dest as it comes to pubs and disco's...cc or not, I'll be enjoying myself
Mazzel
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Underdog........
I think you're getting a little confused! There are two virgins in Northumberland and as yet, I have not applied to BA although the form's on the desk.
A pint or two would be good but I'm off to JFK on Sat. At home 'til then though.
Cheers
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I think you're getting a little confused! There are two virgins in Northumberland and as yet, I have not applied to BA although the form's on the desk.
A pint or two would be good but I'm off to JFK on Sat. At home 'til then though.
Cheers
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umbolina - to answer your question.
Its rare for the cc to be on the same 'tour' and also not unusual for them to be on a 'split duty' when you are on a normal nighstop. Now the Airbus is taking over more of the 75/76 routes hopefully things will get better, but I can't see them being on the same 2/3/4 day duty. That would be far too sensible !
The cc have strict union rules, and can lose the following days duty due to a late inbound. Even if its somewhere they want to go ... so they end up on 'avialable' .... they have some very strange/strict union rules that seem to shoot themselves in the foot half the time ....
Most European nightstops we tend to get a 'few' cc out .... but it varies enourmously. Sometimes none sometimes 2 or more the exception the whole crew for a good night.
That is the huge culture difference from my last airline .....
I even find the cc at the rear find it strange I make the effort to talk to them on a turn around. My previous life if we didnt come out of the sharp end and make the tea we would be regarded as 'strange' ... here they its reversed, they think it strange you make the effort to talk to them !
I find all the cc pilot friendly and have encountered none of the horry storys. The one major difference to my previous airline is the average age of the cc, most pursers or CSDs are late 40's early 50's ... they are deffinetly on a better deal than me and will stay to the bitter end. Unlike other carriers where most cc do it for a few years and move on .... although a lot of younger cc have joined in the last few years on an average cc wage and are more fun !
Their are a few 'standovers' appearing in good destinations - in on a late, next day off, out following day on an early. These now in Berlin, Bologna, Milan etc.
The airbus fleet will in a year or so have a fantastic route structure and cover all tyhe major European cities, next year to name a few we get Athens, Moscow, Larnaca, Istanbul to add to about 20 already ....
All said and done, many of the Capt's I fly with are married to cc, so maybe its my aftershave ????
Its rare for the cc to be on the same 'tour' and also not unusual for them to be on a 'split duty' when you are on a normal nighstop. Now the Airbus is taking over more of the 75/76 routes hopefully things will get better, but I can't see them being on the same 2/3/4 day duty. That would be far too sensible !
The cc have strict union rules, and can lose the following days duty due to a late inbound. Even if its somewhere they want to go ... so they end up on 'avialable' .... they have some very strange/strict union rules that seem to shoot themselves in the foot half the time ....
Most European nightstops we tend to get a 'few' cc out .... but it varies enourmously. Sometimes none sometimes 2 or more the exception the whole crew for a good night.
That is the huge culture difference from my last airline .....
I even find the cc at the rear find it strange I make the effort to talk to them on a turn around. My previous life if we didnt come out of the sharp end and make the tea we would be regarded as 'strange' ... here they its reversed, they think it strange you make the effort to talk to them !
I find all the cc pilot friendly and have encountered none of the horry storys. The one major difference to my previous airline is the average age of the cc, most pursers or CSDs are late 40's early 50's ... they are deffinetly on a better deal than me and will stay to the bitter end. Unlike other carriers where most cc do it for a few years and move on .... although a lot of younger cc have joined in the last few years on an average cc wage and are more fun !
Their are a few 'standovers' appearing in good destinations - in on a late, next day off, out following day on an early. These now in Berlin, Bologna, Milan etc.
The airbus fleet will in a year or so have a fantastic route structure and cover all tyhe major European cities, next year to name a few we get Athens, Moscow, Larnaca, Istanbul to add to about 20 already ....
All said and done, many of the Capt's I fly with are married to cc, so maybe its my aftershave ????
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Shanwick Shanwick & Life's A Riot,
The offer of a beer or two stands for both of you. How's about next Thursday (19th), Telegraph under the arm and all that....? Mustn't let the spies get wind....what!
Cheers,
Underdog
(I'm sure you must know who I am already ;-) )
The offer of a beer or two stands for both of you. How's about next Thursday (19th), Telegraph under the arm and all that....? Mustn't let the spies get wind....what!
Cheers,
Underdog
(I'm sure you must know who I am already ;-) )
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Underdog,
Can't do Thursday either I'm afraid. I don't get back to the village until Sat 21st and then only for 3 days. Send me an e-mail with your number and I'll give you a call.
Life's ...etc,
You must be MAD! There may be no VS at all in a few years. How would you fancy a SIN base again?
Cheers
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Can't do Thursday either I'm afraid. I don't get back to the village until Sat 21st and then only for 3 days. Send me an e-mail with your number and I'll give you a call.
Life's ...etc,
You must be MAD! There may be no VS at all in a few years. How would you fancy a SIN base again?
Cheers
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Noblues, a quick question if I may. A chap 25 chartering on the 'busses' both long and short haul. Possibly a year to shortt haul command in present company. With all this talk of the possible command bulge building at BA eg big batch of City Flyers coming in shortly, how would he be placed long term if he were offered a place in BA?
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Wet Power and Paterbrat -
I hate to tell you this but its true !
The City Flyer pilots were merge with BA's early April, still its only about 200 places, sounds a lot but keep it in perspective of 3500 total. Still around 1000 to go over the next 5 years.
Mainline BA shorthaul commands, ie. Airbus, 75/76 are currently around the 2400 mark, so you are still looking at around 6-7 years.
In the mean time you can cruise around the world on longhaul !
LGW commands are currently taking around 3 years, but I guess next year when the ex City Flyer RJ's come into the annual bid it will be much less. You could sit your life out as a LGW RJ or 737 skipper for 12-15 years and then have a long haul command ....
As I have already said, it all boils down to your age. Paterbrat if you are 25 I would have no hesitation in going, you will have 30 years of flying a huge variety of routes and types, plus retire at 55 with a pesnion of 65K.
However, if you are mid late 30's and are leaving a good job with seniority behind then think very carefully, their will be a lot of people above you on the list your younger who will be their to the day you retire.
I hate to tell you this but its true !
The City Flyer pilots were merge with BA's early April, still its only about 200 places, sounds a lot but keep it in perspective of 3500 total. Still around 1000 to go over the next 5 years.
Mainline BA shorthaul commands, ie. Airbus, 75/76 are currently around the 2400 mark, so you are still looking at around 6-7 years.
In the mean time you can cruise around the world on longhaul !
LGW commands are currently taking around 3 years, but I guess next year when the ex City Flyer RJ's come into the annual bid it will be much less. You could sit your life out as a LGW RJ or 737 skipper for 12-15 years and then have a long haul command ....
As I have already said, it all boils down to your age. Paterbrat if you are 25 I would have no hesitation in going, you will have 30 years of flying a huge variety of routes and types, plus retire at 55 with a pesnion of 65K.
However, if you are mid late 30's and are leaving a good job with seniority behind then think very carefully, their will be a lot of people above you on the list your younger who will be their to the day you retire.
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Oh Noblues would that that were true. Seriously many thanks, it's in line with advice already given but I thought that someone a little closer to the situation might be better placed to give a view that might be more valid than mine.
Safe and happy flying
Safe and happy flying