New Specialist Airline Pilot Forum?
Originally Posted by overstress
Yes, I do think your comment about risking 'a whole community' is a bit of an over-reaction 
As Flying Lawyer alludes further above, professional pilots are a patient lot, willing to explain to the interested. I think that perhaps that patience was squeezed to the limit recently when those qualified to comment were frustrated by a continual bombardment of ignorance.
I don't think there's any danger that members of the proposed forum would entirely vacate these hallowed forums, but you might find that a serious thread on, say, B744 flight continuation policy,
might end up with only MS Flight Sim protagonists involved.
I don't think there's any danger that members of the proposed forum would entirely vacate these hallowed forums, but you might find that a serious thread on, say, B744 flight continuation policy,
might end up with only MS Flight Sim protagonists involved.
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Goes for me too, altho I'd chip in a bit now and again if it didn't have to involve Paypal..... as a contribution, rather than a tax.
One OTW thought - a method that might address this connundrum neatly if it were technically feasible in the Jelsoft software universe:
The suggestion is to have restricted THREADS inside generally open forums. (forii?) The person who is Thread starter can define a list of eligible participants when starting the thread.... or can select from pre-fabbed eligibility lists of specific and diverse flavors (left-handers, Wentworth nuts, etc.) Then these 'throttled' threads can come or go, their exclusivity can be enforced, and pprune life will proceed on without having to do any major engine repairs while in mid-flight.
Please note that my published suggestion, above, is intended to constitute public disclosure of this novel technical and business method from a patent point of view; it is free for the taking, free for all.
In the grand scheme of things I charge a good deal for my credible opinions (listed against my good name and reputation) so I have no interest in paying somebody to read what I write.
At least with Pprune, as it currently is, I don't pay a cent and I don't risk my reputation when I post opinions under my handle.
At least with Pprune, as it currently is, I don't pay a cent and I don't risk my reputation when I post opinions under my handle.
One OTW thought - a method that might address this connundrum neatly if it were technically feasible in the Jelsoft software universe:
The suggestion is to have restricted THREADS inside generally open forums. (forii?) The person who is Thread starter can define a list of eligible participants when starting the thread.... or can select from pre-fabbed eligibility lists of specific and diverse flavors (left-handers, Wentworth nuts, etc.) Then these 'throttled' threads can come or go, their exclusivity can be enforced, and pprune life will proceed on without having to do any major engine repairs while in mid-flight.
Please note that my published suggestion, above, is intended to constitute public disclosure of this novel technical and business method from a patent point of view; it is free for the taking, free for all.
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Danny 'has his work cut out for him', as some say, along with his staff. Like the RAF WW2 solo (multi-engine) bomber pilots over well-defended targets, having compound systems problems (no autopilot alt. hold?) long before they cross over the I.P. 
Good luck. I hope your intell. and wx briefings are accurate.
Good luck. I hope your intell. and wx briefings are accurate.
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Practically, to verify the credentials of all who would wish to join the forum would be a huge task. Far simpler, less cumbersome and fairer too would be simply to make the moderators screen the posts. Any dumb or diversionary posts can simply be killed at source. Some immediacy might be lost - but that shouldn't matter: Pprune is not CNN - but if all posts were screened by the moderators before going up on the board, everyone would be happy. No silly or ill-informed posts on the site, and no need to have special membership conditions or fees.
I offer this as a practical solution because serious discussion of safety issues should involve ATCOs, LAEs, meteorologists, communications specialists, systems safety engineers, air accident investigators, retired air crew, cabin crew, people involved in aircraft manufacture, software specialists, materials specialists -- maybe even a manager could have something useful to say. I would go further and say that it is an indication of a less than ideal attitude towards safety to assume that only pilots have anything worthwhile to say on the subject. Many of the most lively and informative threads Pprune has been responsible have had central contributions from non-pilots.
I offer this as a practical solution because serious discussion of safety issues should involve ATCOs, LAEs, meteorologists, communications specialists, systems safety engineers, air accident investigators, retired air crew, cabin crew, people involved in aircraft manufacture, software specialists, materials specialists -- maybe even a manager could have something useful to say. I would go further and say that it is an indication of a less than ideal attitude towards safety to assume that only pilots have anything worthwhile to say on the subject. Many of the most lively and informative threads Pprune has been responsible have had central contributions from non-pilots.
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Danny,
its a really great idea; I hope it goes ahead. There are plenty of forums for all parties with an interest in aviation to participate in, but I for one would certainly welcome a dedicated CHIRP type thread/site open to professional pilots only/ATCOs etc. More than willing to pay a subscription to a site where informed discussion can take place, withou threads degenerating into vilification. I think that the thread should not be viewable to non-qualifying members; there are plenty of other threads for general avaition discussion.
FB
its a really great idea; I hope it goes ahead. There are plenty of forums for all parties with an interest in aviation to participate in, but I for one would certainly welcome a dedicated CHIRP type thread/site open to professional pilots only/ATCOs etc. More than willing to pay a subscription to a site where informed discussion can take place, withou threads degenerating into vilification. I think that the thread should not be viewable to non-qualifying members; there are plenty of other threads for general avaition discussion.
FB
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Originally Posted by PAXboy
Just an ordinary Pax speaking:
Don't make it readable by everyone, otherwise they will start up new threads, cross post and there will be thread drift everywhere!
You folks talk about it amongst yourselves and anything that might be of help to the rest of the world - then open an announcement thread.
Don't make it readable by everyone, otherwise they will start up new threads, cross post and there will be thread drift everywhere!
You folks talk about it amongst yourselves and anything that might be of help to the rest of the world - then open an announcement thread.Cheers,
FB
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If you're retired, enjoy it. Take up as many leisure pursuits as you have time and energy for. Have a laugh with the old boys you once flew with and revel in the days when modern aircraft actually needed a pilot. Just let the aviation world carry on without you, your experience is good but it is just that-experience! Currency, recency and present day involvement is what we are needing not well meaning but outdated opinion. We are all big boys and can hold our own in discussions. Enjoy the summer and long may you draw your well earned pension.
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Originally Posted by Skytrucker
If you're retired, enjoy it. Take up as many leisure pursuits as you have time and energy for. Have a laugh with the old boys you once flew with and revel in the days when modern aircraft actually needed a pilot. Just let the aviation world carry on without you, your experience is good but it is just that-experience! Currency, recency and present day involvement is what we are needing not well meaning but outdated opinion. We are all big boys and can hold our own in discussions. Enjoy the summer and long may you draw your well earned pension.
Nah, you're right, boring, not worth a mention really.
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Hi Danny,
If nothing else this thread shows that there are many people other than ATPL holders who are seriously interested in discussing safety incidents and who can provide valuable input. I understand the frustration caused by spurious and unrealistic comments however, the questions posed by those 'outside' of the cockpit often result in valuable discussion that probes the issues to a level than would otherwise occur.
I suggest a forum that is open to those who can provide bonafide proof of a discipline that is:
How to implement:
1) Registration with your real name and a scanned copy of a valid (not current) qualification. This information to be kept private by Pprune.
2) One time fee of (USD$10) to cover costs of admin.
It won't be perfect but it will filter a lot of the c
p that currently get's posted.
Cheers
Th
If nothing else this thread shows that there are many people other than ATPL holders who are seriously interested in discussing safety incidents and who can provide valuable input. I understand the frustration caused by spurious and unrealistic comments however, the questions posed by those 'outside' of the cockpit often result in valuable discussion that probes the issues to a level than would otherwise occur.
I suggest a forum that is open to those who can provide bonafide proof of a discipline that is:
- Directly related (eg flight crew)
- Allied (eg maintenance, engineering, dispatch, ATC etc)
- Representative of objective thinking (eg tertiary qualified)
- Expert in a related discipline (aviation medicine, human factors etc)
How to implement:
1) Registration with your real name and a scanned copy of a valid (not current) qualification. This information to be kept private by Pprune.
2) One time fee of (USD$10) to cover costs of admin.
It won't be perfect but it will filter a lot of the c
p that currently get's posted.Cheers
Th
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I was going to keep out of this but..
If this new forum is supposed to be concerned with safety incidents, if its restricted to flight crew only, I do wonder how accurate some of the conversations/debates are going to be.
How many flight crew have the relevant access to to maintenance documents (MM's, SRM's, AB's etc.) and manufacturers web-sites such as Boeing Online and Airbus Online for specific aircraft details and procedures?
If your looking to have a serious converstaion about safety without access to the relevant materials then you might as well just start a thread in Jet Blast.
just my five-penny worth
If this new forum is supposed to be concerned with safety incidents, if its restricted to flight crew only, I do wonder how accurate some of the conversations/debates are going to be.
How many flight crew have the relevant access to to maintenance documents (MM's, SRM's, AB's etc.) and manufacturers web-sites such as Boeing Online and Airbus Online for specific aircraft details and procedures?
If your looking to have a serious converstaion about safety without access to the relevant materials then you might as well just start a thread in Jet Blast.
just my five-penny worth
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Sorry Bunkabuser. I was only trying to drive home the point that what we are looking at here is a forum to permit discussion of current safety issues and the effects they may or may not have on the individuals dealing with the situations that have arisen. I am not trying to deter experienced pilots from imparting their knowledge to any interested party, there is as much space as you need to do that on these forums if you want to. Situations change rapidly in aviation and the problems change too. If you are no longer a part of that system, and you no longer are once you retire, then please leave it to those involved.
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Skytrucker , that sounds like a load of old bullsh!t.
When you are put out to pasture are you suddenly going to have no valid opinion about the current aviation scene?
It's a profession pure and simple and like most professions the details, practices and standards don't change that quickly.
When you are put out to pasture are you suddenly going to have no valid opinion about the current aviation scene?
It's a profession pure and simple and like most professions the details, practices and standards don't change that quickly.
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Skytrucker is right, IMHO. Rules & regs change and the retired will not necessarily have mechanisms to keep up with this. I think his argument stands, the kind of discussions I envisage may not be enhanced by the out-of-touch. The rest of PPRuNe will still be here.
What's wrong with a forum entitled "Serving Pilots' Forum - a place where current airline pilots can discuss issues away from the rest of us"
A great idea - can I send a scanned copy of my $10? 
What's wrong with a forum entitled "Serving Pilots' Forum - a place where current airline pilots can discuss issues away from the rest of us"
1) Registration with your real name and a scanned copy of a valid (not current) qualification. This information to be kept private by Pprune.
2) One time fee of (USD$10) to cover costs of admin.
2) One time fee of (USD$10) to cover costs of admin.
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ChewyTheWookie, you have some issues and not to mention a very bad attitude. I've read some of your comments in this forum and in some of the cabin crew forums, I am amazed as to how certain individuals like yourself think the world cannot move forward without you.
"I don't care what the pilots do, or what any other airline does. It is not fair to get cabin crew working all day and not setting aside a single minute for them to rest and have a proper meal."
Harsh reality is that you chose to be an air steward and were prepared to work unsocialable hours with or without breaks, you think that BA cabin crew have got it so hard and it seems that you are very spoilt and do not know how the real world works.
"I don't care what the pilots do, or what any other airline does. It is not fair to get cabin crew working all day and not setting aside a single minute for them to rest and have a proper meal."
Harsh reality is that you chose to be an air steward and were prepared to work unsocialable hours with or without breaks, you think that BA cabin crew have got it so hard and it seems that you are very spoilt and do not know how the real world works.
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Yeah, why don't we gather up all the retired pilots and electrocute them in order to save oxygen on the planet. Then we can share out all the hours in their logbooks to the young guys so they become instantly experienced and can have great discussions on safety issues.
I need to reboot my computer an log on again to check I really read these posts correctly!!!
I need to reboot my computer an log on again to check I really read these posts correctly!!!