New Specialist Airline Pilot Forum?
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i think there should be a forum for only professional pilots and retired professional pilots.
there are plenty of forums for everyone to get involved as engineers and atc etc have plenty to teach the rest of us.
is it possible for current type ratings etc to be reasearched from the caa/jaa/faa license number? as this is quick and easy to provide.
as far as admin cash im sure it would not be a problem to everyone but why not see if balpa or ialpa type organisations would not fund it as it would be a gold mine for them.
it is the professional pilots rumour network after all
there are plenty of forums for everyone to get involved as engineers and atc etc have plenty to teach the rest of us.
is it possible for current type ratings etc to be reasearched from the caa/jaa/faa license number? as this is quick and easy to provide.
as far as admin cash im sure it would not be a problem to everyone but why not see if balpa or ialpa type organisations would not fund it as it would be a gold mine for them.
it is the professional pilots rumour network after all
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Bomber Harris:
Why not just refresh the page? 
When you retire and hand in your security pass, you immediately start going out of recency. You don't keep up with SOPs, AISs, etc etc. You have a wealth of experience to offer PPRuNe, that's not in question, we are trying to debate the point as to whether or not the opinions of the retired would contribute to the proposed new forum.
The recent B744 thread had some venerable contributions from those retired members who had flown the Classic, the VC10 and the B707. Their combined experiences are considerable, but none of them were relevant to the thread.
I realise some won't get the point, but that's irrelevant too.
I need to reboot my computer an log on again to check I really read these posts correctly!!!
When you retire and hand in your security pass, you immediately start going out of recency. You don't keep up with SOPs, AISs, etc etc. You have a wealth of experience to offer PPRuNe, that's not in question, we are trying to debate the point as to whether or not the opinions of the retired would contribute to the proposed new forum.
The recent B744 thread had some venerable contributions from those retired members who had flown the Classic, the VC10 and the B707. Their combined experiences are considerable, but none of them were relevant to the thread.
I realise some won't get the point, but that's irrelevant too.
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bunkabuser,
Apparently not. Unlike other professions such as medicine, law and engineering, it would appear that once you retire from aviation you have nothing whatsoever to contribute to a professional forum. In fact it's probably best you get a full frontal lobotomy the day after your retirement to prevent any opinions about your former profession entering and clouding your fast retreating mental faculties.
Apparently not. Unlike other professions such as medicine, law and engineering, it would appear that once you retire from aviation you have nothing whatsoever to contribute to a professional forum. In fact it's probably best you get a full frontal lobotomy the day after your retirement to prevent any opinions about your former profession entering and clouding your fast retreating mental faculties.
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Danny,
I have only just come across this thread so have not read all the replies, but it is an excellent idea.
Forgive me if I am repeating what may have been mentioned on previous pages as I have not waded thorugh all replies.
5milesbaby on page one mentioned using real names as it would be a private forum - I would be happy with that but could forsee problems as topics that are being discussed may have been raised anon.
A small subscription fee would help cover the effort to create a secure (person wise) forum.
Any way of verifying people as per the private airlines/NATS forums already on PPrune??
I think that real names and identities are a must for anyone wishing to join - available only to the moderators, but a good way of cutting out any willy waving or slanging matches.
There are still calls for a private 'current pilots only forum' as well - if the guys who give up their time to moderate and develop PPrune are happy to do this, all well and good - however - as an ATCO I would feel that discussing CHIRPS etc without ATCO and possibly engineer input would not be entirely beneficial.
Good luck sorting this one out!!
I have only just come across this thread so have not read all the replies, but it is an excellent idea.
Forgive me if I am repeating what may have been mentioned on previous pages as I have not waded thorugh all replies.
5milesbaby on page one mentioned using real names as it would be a private forum - I would be happy with that but could forsee problems as topics that are being discussed may have been raised anon.
A small subscription fee would help cover the effort to create a secure (person wise) forum.
Any way of verifying people as per the private airlines/NATS forums already on PPrune??
I think that real names and identities are a must for anyone wishing to join - available only to the moderators, but a good way of cutting out any willy waving or slanging matches.
There are still calls for a private 'current pilots only forum' as well - if the guys who give up their time to moderate and develop PPrune are happy to do this, all well and good - however - as an ATCO I would feel that discussing CHIRPS etc without ATCO and possibly engineer input would not be entirely beneficial.
Good luck sorting this one out!!
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Bunkabuser. Of course your 13 years in the LHS is relevant. The point I was trying to make (not very well) is: where do you draw the line? There are many retired pilots who all have a huge fund of knowledge and experience. But at some point, as things move on in aviation, your knowledge becomes less current, in the strictly technical sense.
Postings like "on the XXX back in the '70s we used to do it like this" are fascinating, but contribute little to a discussion about a more modern a/c.
So what I mean is, the day after you retire, your knowledge is current and extremely relevant. There is then a sliding scale for all of us, until we become the dribbling old boy in the nursing home, the staff whispering: "yes, that senile one, used to be an airline pilot"
The question is, where do you make the cut on this sliding scale? When I'm retired, I hope to forget all my SOPs instantly and get out and enjoy it!
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May I humbly say that much of the frustration I have with PPRuNe is exactly this - people can't be bothered or don't have enough time to speed-read a thread to see if they're making an *rse of themselves before they post. 
'Anotherthing' - not that your posting falls into this category 
Postings like "on the XXX back in the '70s we used to do it like this" are fascinating, but contribute little to a discussion about a more modern a/c.
So what I mean is, the day after you retire, your knowledge is current and extremely relevant. There is then a sliding scale for all of us, until we become the dribbling old boy in the nursing home, the staff whispering: "yes, that senile one, used to be an airline pilot"
The question is, where do you make the cut on this sliding scale? When I'm retired, I hope to forget all my SOPs instantly and get out and enjoy it!
ATB
Overstress
if I am repeating what may have been mentioned on previous pages as I have not waded thorugh all replies
'Anotherthing' - not that your posting falls into this category
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Overstress!
I really don't care too much about this.....thirteen years in B744 LHS....twenty four rears left hand seat four engine heavy jet. SOPs come and go but the B744 goes on for ever!
Bunkabuser ....back to sleep!
I really don't care too much about this.....thirteen years in B744 LHS....twenty four rears left hand seat four engine heavy jet. SOPs come and go but the B744 goes on for ever!
Bunkabuser ....back to sleep!
WTFDIK but...
I seem to have read more than a few accounts of totally current, qualified pilots who don't think it's worth listening to those they deem less knowledgeable. These accounts come from those CVR recordings and the document eventually includes the phrase "the aircraft impacted...."
I seem to have read more than a few accounts of totally current, qualified pilots who don't think it's worth listening to those they deem less knowledgeable. These accounts come from those CVR recordings and the document eventually includes the phrase "the aircraft impacted...."
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Danny
In theory an excellent idea
Unfortunately, there is a rather distasteful prurience and rush to judgement over any incident that comes to the attention of some posters to this forum, including opinions expressed by those professional pilots who you wish to entertain on your proposed forum.
"any info on xx at yy?
Who was involved" (I really don't like this bit)
Such an incident is then followed by a seemingly never ending chain of analysis by those without the facts (or often the knowledege) to formulate an opinion of the causes of the event.("I don't know anything about the 737 but..." type of remark is pitiful). Sometimes appalling ignorance of the basics is exposed. Regretfully, these remarks/comments are frequently made by pilots who clearly hold professional pilots licences.
Even more sadly, there is on occasions a "holier than thou" judgement made on the actions of unfortunate crew involved.
Great idea. I only wish it would work in practice, but I have my doubts.
I won't even comment on the "what about us" postings made on this thread by those that would not qualify to join.
Anyway, good luck, whatever you decide
In theory an excellent idea
Unfortunately, there is a rather distasteful prurience and rush to judgement over any incident that comes to the attention of some posters to this forum, including opinions expressed by those professional pilots who you wish to entertain on your proposed forum.
"any info on xx at yy?
Who was involved" (I really don't like this bit)
Such an incident is then followed by a seemingly never ending chain of analysis by those without the facts (or often the knowledege) to formulate an opinion of the causes of the event.("I don't know anything about the 737 but..." type of remark is pitiful). Sometimes appalling ignorance of the basics is exposed. Regretfully, these remarks/comments are frequently made by pilots who clearly hold professional pilots licences.
Even more sadly, there is on occasions a "holier than thou" judgement made on the actions of unfortunate crew involved.
Great idea. I only wish it would work in practice, but I have my doubts.
I won't even comment on the "what about us" postings made on this thread by those that would not qualify to join.
Anyway, good luck, whatever you decide
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Don't let it worry you.
A couple of points.
This idea sounds a bit elitist.
The next step will be to have forums dedicated to crew on a/c over 20 tonnes and on it will go.
I'd like to know on what side of the fence do the the people for and agin this idea sit on the 744 debate.I mean is this a way to silence the opposition?.
Don't forget we all started off as wanabees.
These days with the security and all there is no way of showing youngsters what we do.I can still remember standing behind the crew flying up the Qld coast in a DC-9 asking tons of questions and the old fokkers coming in from the outback.
I suppose this could be one way bolstering the training scene.Eg to get onto the 'airline pilot forum' on pprune one has to have a cpl for instance.Next minute there is rush on flying sckools.
With the 744 thread don't let it worry you.The crew on the spot did what they knew to be right and if they weren't sure all they had to do was pick up the phone to ops for clarification.What anyone else thinks is irelevant.
Thanks.
This idea sounds a bit elitist.
The next step will be to have forums dedicated to crew on a/c over 20 tonnes and on it will go.
I'd like to know on what side of the fence do the the people for and agin this idea sit on the 744 debate.I mean is this a way to silence the opposition?.
Don't forget we all started off as wanabees.
These days with the security and all there is no way of showing youngsters what we do.I can still remember standing behind the crew flying up the Qld coast in a DC-9 asking tons of questions and the old fokkers coming in from the outback.
I suppose this could be one way bolstering the training scene.Eg to get onto the 'airline pilot forum' on pprune one has to have a cpl for instance.Next minute there is rush on flying sckools.
With the 744 thread don't let it worry you.The crew on the spot did what they knew to be right and if they weren't sure all they had to do was pick up the phone to ops for clarification.What anyone else thinks is irelevant.
Thanks.
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Now then, the B744 has been in service for over 20 years. If the likes of "overstress" had been on the B744 for 20 years then he would most likely already be an old f*rt. Since he seems to be claiming to be a bright ray of sunshine then we have to assume that he has only been on the aeroplane for "five minutes" as we used to say.
So why is it that he and his like seem to think that "bunkabuster's" 13 years in the left seat of the B744 doesn't count for much for he is "out of date"? I would have thought that such experience was worth listening to!
So why is it that he and his like seem to think that "bunkabuster's" 13 years in the left seat of the B744 doesn't count for much for he is "out of date"? I would have thought that such experience was worth listening to!