clicker

I like the idea although I myself would not be allowed to enter the discussions as I'm no longer in the airline business having "moved out" after redundancy changed my career direction.

I would therefore also support inclusion of other related job holders. In my 8 years in airline operations I learnt a lot, so people with longer time lines could, no doubt, make some very useful inputs.

Trouble is how do you keep out the Jouno's and their leeches?

N380UA

les vieux ont au moins cet avantage qu'ils sont certains d'avoir été jeunes, par contre aucun jeune ne peut ętre absolument certain de devenir un jour vieux.

GearDown&Locked

Monsieur de La Palisse dixit N380UA LOL

banana9999

Let's get this money-spinner underway.

When's the Pprune IPO?

Parkbremse

here's another suggestion: create a new open forum with a strict posting policy, premoderation and with consequently and permanently banning people who have nothing useful to contribute. That way, everyone is invited to quietly listen and learn from the professionals and those who are a pain in the neck, are going to be excluded. And with respect to journos and the media, nothing going to stop them quoting posts out of context to produce a good story, whether or not there is a new private forum.

i would certainly disappointed if i, as a wannabe, have to wait for my first employment to be able to follow the worthwhile debates on incidents/accidents.

loubylou

if you must

i appreciate that threads can get out of control, emotive and off topic, but to be honest even if you had a restricted forum, i would suspect that you would still find there would be emotive, off topic , out of control threads. But instead of folk getting all irritated with the posters who add to a thread from a position of no knowledge, you'll prob'ly have folk getting irritated with low experience "current airline pilots" and then have to create a forum especially for "current airline pilots" who have xxx hours , then captains only, - then maybe captains who have xxx hours on xx amount of types.
anyhoo.......

louby

westhawk

I started to post numerous times on this thread and ended up being unable to put into words what I was thinking. I suppose it all comes down to how one feels about arbitrary exlusionary policy. And that admittedly depends greatly upon which side of the exclusionary fence one finds oneself! Recognizing that this is the case left me at odds with my own ethos and I could not find a way to rationalize my feelings on this matter, Still can't.

However, I know of one solution that may fill the bill. Simply form a list of individuals whom you would like to invite to participate in this new "pros only" forum and who will agree to an identity verification procedure to join. Send them PMs and make no public announcement. Run the forum so it is invisible to the common rabble (of which group I may well be a member!) and there will be no further need for the elite to be bothered by the nonsensical ramblings of mere mortals and online posers!

I did not think of this on my own. It has allready been done elsewhere. I just happen to be one of the chosen in that case, so it's OK! If you think you have a problem on this board, you should see some of what else is out there. Actually, it is my hope that some solution other than segregation can found to rectify this problem of impertinent and sophomoric behaviour. (spelled your way!) The mods really do a very respectable job of keeping things under some semblance of control on this board without being overbearing. It's tough when immature participants feel they must resort to nationalism and name calling rather than discuss aviation matters in an adult manner. This is the only site I've seen so far which has a truly international composition. Please be careful not to diminish the importance of this site by segregating it's finest contributors from the general membership. Who is to set the example for others to follow?

If you really must form a separate forum, consider doing it as I have suggested since I feel this will do the least amount of damage to the present forums. Either that, or consider attacking the problem from the bottom by getting rid of the problem children. I know, that's a whole different can of worms!

Best of success in whatever you decide.

Westhawk

Brian Abraham

While I'm not an airline jock I would hate to be excluded as there are aspects which cover ALL aviation. Nor would I like to see excluded others who are not in the profession but have valuable imputs and insights to make. I recollect a poster on the subject of the application of computers in designs such as the Airbus giving an educational insight into computers and their workings though he had nothing to do with aviation personally. A great contribution to the discussion. Like westhawk have pondered the question at length and my humble offering is,
1. Charge a fee
2. Attached to the credit card details attach a scanned copy of licence, professional qualifaction etc to establish you are what you say you are
3. Fill out profile to reflect the facts rather than as a canvas to exercise creative abilities
4. On completion of above and Danny/Mods are satisfied as to the bona fides some obvious sign be given that the poster has "passed the test". What that may be only Danny/Webmaster would be able to decide what is feasable. I thought perhaps your posting "handle" could be put up in a different colour than the regular Royal Blue - change to red for example.

Of course it all takes administrative effort. It might then be possible to ascertain what credence to give to posts made. On the other hand if the airline boys are dead set on wanting their own sand pit where all are excluded go for it. Perhaps you need to hold a referendum Danny.

Daysleeper

Mrs Daysleeper subscribes to a parenting website, recently they have had a problem with "fake" parents , strange I know. The solution was to get parents to send in a picture of their babys holding a bit of paper with the username on it. Anyone can still post but only those who have carried out this "verification" will have a kind of signature thingy.

So how bout a photo of your aeroplane with your username written in the dirt on the gear doors or something...

slam_dunk

My company keeps our a/c always nice and clean, does that mean i can't join ?

overstress

The best idea yet! In fact, for all we know, there may be such a thing, here as we type!

ATC Watcher

Jumping on board after a long silence, reading rapidly through the posts, so apologies for duplication if any.
Being almost 10 years on Pprune, I always liked to read the other views, to fill the gaps of my own knowledge.
I know quite a lot of my small piece of puzzle, but to get the big picture, I like to hear about knowledgeable people about their own puzzle piece.
So basically, making a new safety orientated forum with only " active ATPLs over 20 Tons" debating makes little sense to me.

One of the first very good thread here was the Silk air 737 one, and I remember that a familly member of the F/O ( Crokett if my memory serves me well ) contributed and had access to some info as next of kin we did not. His contributions to the thread were very valuable, and he was an outside aviation person ( not anymore I guess ).

On the general idea of Danny to select persons to run a parallell forum dedicated to safety , I like the idea, but only if the results are seen by everyone in the end. otherwise it does not make sense to me either.

As to confidentiality, for safety issues, in this new forum ,one could use his real name and position, I see no problems in that. Anyway I think by now, many here know by now who I am, what I do and who I work for, and I do not mind anymore.
As to the finances, a symbolic figure would be in order ( e.g :1 EUR or GNP month) if you ask more there would be no-one from Holland (and Scottland) I guess.

LLuke

I am fed up with the off-topic posts, the (NOT!!!) funny posts and posts from miss informed people (both professionals and enthousiasts).

I find it scary/worrying that many of these posts appear to be posted by colleagues

I would welcome a specialist pilot forum, but I am not sure it would solve the nuissance postings, unless we would restrict posting rights of 90% of the people. But how about a style like http://slashdot.org where points and catagories are given to posts? It would be great that I as a reader can select the minimum scores per category to filter out the garbage.

chandlers dad

Not sure that I would put a weight limit on it. Watching someone bring in a DC-3 a few weeks ago to a wet and windy runway in Africa, I bet that that pilot could teach us all a few tricks. I flew a diesel-3 for a while and know the handful he was working with.

I learned more from an old BOAC Captain when I was a pup than a lot of other pilots I ever flew with. We flew a Visount 700/800 series with him for years and for me it was "shut up and watch," in other words the old school of command and CRM. Now that I am "that old fart" in the left seat I do not command the way he did but sure try to teach (and learn as well) as best possible while flying. Now that I teach EFIS/FMS its interesting to remember back but many of the old lessons are still very valid.

Sending a copy of a ATP or CPL should be enough IMHO. Scan and email the thing to the MOD. I am the moderator of a internet aviation forum and we do not require proof of license but the new members have to prove that they are aviation related to keep the spammers off. So far its worked and no hassles.

CD

PS there are still ways to show the kids and newcomers about flying. I take them out in my WW2 era fabric taildragger as often as possible. Was at a large fly-in in June and a friend of mine flew for five hours straight, giving kids and parents alike rides in an old taildragger (am on the board of directors there so could not fly myself) so there are ways to get them up and in the air at times.

matt_hooks

I think this is an excellent idea!

I understand that you need to draw the line somewhere, but I also agree that there are more than just pilots in the aviation industry, as you recognise in your posts danny.

As an aerospace engineering graduate and trainee wannabe pilot type, I would be more than interested to learn from the discussion of people who are "in the loop" so to speak. I also think that on some areas it might be extremely useful to have the input of those outside the loop, as they may be able to provide useful insights into some matters, for example the computing example quoted earlier, and also might be able to provide a different point of view.

Unfortunately to allow this the only possible solution would be pre-moderation of all post, which I readily accept would be far too time consuming!

One possible solution would be to have two levels of access. One for people who are directly related to the day to day workings, for example pilots, instructors, ATCO's, possibly engineering. These people could be verified as has been discussed earlier and have posting rights. A second group could consist of people such as myself, in training or in other sectors that might find the information useful but may well not have a great deal to contribute. This again could be verified by checking of licences, or a letter from a recognised training organisation etc. This group would have access only to read the posts, or possibly to make posts but in a pre-moderated manner rather than freely like group A.

The third thing I think would be useful would be to have a thread within the "public" part of the site where any important conclusions etc. could be posted to allow people who might find them useful to see them. I'm sure there are many pro's on here who wouldn't necessarily be interested in taking part in the discussions but would be very interested in the outcome.

Just my 2p worth!

Wino

My 2 cents

Completely CLOSED forum, (not readable by the rest of the masses) and real names, not handles....


Cheers
Wino

scroggs

You're welcome to start your own, Wino. Have fun!

To others who have just discovered this thread, read through it completely before commenting. Check the date of the thread. Realise that the points made have been read by Pprune Admin, given the appropriate weight for their value, and inwardly digested. Appropriate action has been taken.

Scroggs

LLuke

"Appropriate action has been taken."
That's great -I think? Looking forward for any announcement resulting from these actions.
Ciao,

scroggs

What announcement?

Scroggs

212man

My only comment is that I'm sure the new forum would be great, but equally pprune would slide down hill rapidly as all the professional content disappeared.