New Specialist Airline Pilot Forum?
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This may already have been said in one of the other posts so I apologise if i'm repeating the point but, while I think it would be a good idea for a site, I think it should be open to all aviation professionals and academics with aviation interest not just pilots. I am not a pilot myself but the job I do means that I end up researching a lot of accident information which otherwise would not be generally known. Pilots obviously have unique knowledge and practical experience but they don't know everything; engineers, ATC, service providers, academics etc can all contribute valuable insights.
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Please don't leave out the oldies who have retired. We lack current information but as the saying goes..."There is no thing as a new accident" and with memory data bases going back up to eighty years....
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Looking for input for an idea I have about a new forum where flight safety reports etc. can be discussed. For example, there are quite a few issues raised in each issue of CHIRP that would warrant debate.
My initial thoughts are that the forum would only be accessible to current airline pilots. The main reason for that is because experience has shown that input from those with little or no experience only serves to inflame emotions and detract from the main topics.
Your thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.
My initial thoughts are that the forum would only be accessible to current airline pilots. The main reason for that is because experience has shown that input from those with little or no experience only serves to inflame emotions and detract from the main topics.
Your thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.
You will see more and more often ancora imparo meaning "I'm still learning". When I first started flying in the 60s, the distilled wisdom was usually found by hangar flying with the old boys who had been there, done that. A lot of listening and asking questions.
It is no doubt a problem but we need neophytes to ask questions. They are not intimidated by boundaries nor are the so soaked in the culture that they merely accept things as 'the way it is."
Limiting the input to current airline pilots may dampen down the background noise but it would also limit the expanse of input. The airlines fly into a very limited number of airfields when compared to the fractionals and corporate airplanes. And most of the time those airports serving the airlines are fairly pristine compared to the airports other fliers are using (no ILS, funky approaches, hazardous terrain)
I'm new to this website but have found it very informative and educating.
Do it.
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PPRuNe going "closed"?
Is this board about to close to "non-current aviation staff"?
From elsewhere on this board, posted by someone who should know what''s happening . . .
I know that Danny has been considering changes, but if R&N becomes restricted to the "select few" it will be a sad day.
Assuming JB gets the chop, it will not worry me too much as I have pretty much given up on it, but PPRuNe and R&N has been my best source of airline info for a number of years, whilst Mid-East and SLF fora have also been a "happy hunting ground".
Can anyone clarify what is planned?
From elsewhere on this board, posted by someone who should know what''s happening . . .
Those who need a licence/validation/airside pass will be covered in the first two sections with a new display format. Rest follows filling up the rest - approx 9 forums get closed or amalgamated.
Assuming JB gets the chop, it will not worry me too much as I have pretty much given up on it, but PPRuNe and R&N has been my best source of airline info for a number of years, whilst Mid-East and SLF fora have also been a "happy hunting ground".
Can anyone clarify what is planned?
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More importantly:
a) How will they verify genuine information?
b) How can I be sure that any genuine information I provide is going only to a reputable destination?
c) Will it mean we get rid of these poxy adverts below?
a) How will they verify genuine information?
b) How can I be sure that any genuine information I provide is going only to a reputable destination?
c) Will it mean we get rid of these poxy adverts below?
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It costs money to run a web site. The advantage of using adwords rather than other funding sources is that it takes you a few minutes' work, once, ever(*), and the money starts rolling in and just keeps rolling in.
All other methods of fund raising are vastly more effort.
(I stuck a few ads on just one page on my site, just to see what happened. Adwords instantly started paying my hosting costs several times over, and continues to do so, and I've had exactly zero complaints.)
(*) Unless you keep fiddling with format and layout of course.
All other methods of fund raising are vastly more effort.
(I stuck a few ads on just one page on my site, just to see what happened. Adwords instantly started paying my hosting costs several times over, and continues to do so, and I've had exactly zero complaints.)
(*) Unless you keep fiddling with format and layout of course.
More bang for your buck
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(I stuck a few ads on just one page on my site, just to see what happened. Adwords instantly started paying my hosting costs several times over, and continues to do so, and I've had exactly zero complaints.)
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Adverts
We have sponsors ads on banners at the top of the page, and pretty unobtrusive Google ads on the left side in "spare space".
If many/most of the contributors here can't/won't splash a few bucks for PTs and Avatars, the site has to be paid for somehow (with the size of the membership, it's not just "hosting" costs, the "bandwidth" charges must give Danny nightmares!)
And I certainly don't think the site has excessive ads!
(keeping this small, to minimise bandwidth
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* interesting (I think so anyway!) note - I just picked one thread at random on R&N and, out of 12 posts, only 2 had contributed by PT or Avatar. Another "random check" on JB showed 4 contributions in 11 posts - does that mean anything
(probably only that "stats" can be used to prove anything , and what does this suggest anyway?
)
If many/most of the contributors here can't/won't splash a few bucks for PTs and Avatars, the site has to be paid for somehow (with the size of the membership, it's not just "hosting" costs, the "bandwidth" charges must give Danny nightmares!)
And I certainly don't think the site has excessive ads!
(keeping this small, to minimise bandwidth
)* interesting (I think so anyway!) note - I just picked one thread at random on R&N and, out of 12 posts, only 2 had contributed by PT or Avatar. Another "random check" on JB showed 4 contributions in 11 posts - does that mean anything
(probably only that "stats" can be used to prove anything , and what does this suggest anyway?
)Last edited by ExSimGuy; 17th Nov 2006 at 21:13. Reason: to add my "stats" comment
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Just to make myself clear and to stop the thread getting further off track, I have no problem with advertising on PPrune. I appreciate that it's essential. However, I'd like to express a preference for it not to happen at the bottom of my posts. In the margins perhaps, but away from the main post. Maybe I'm being pedantic (don't answer that).
Right, back to the thread......
Right, back to the thread......
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I am not an airline pilot. I don't work in aviation. But I have an interest in commercial aviation and this is my favourite forum to browse. I have never posted, or I may have once (can't remember) but only to contribute information about a medical query. There are times I wish I could post to ask a question, but don't want to muck up the thread with what would probably seem like an inane question to the pros.
Likely, the vast majority of non-aviation folk who browse this forum either browse only or make decent contributions. It would be a shame that a few people ruin it for the majority, although alot of those 'few' likely don't realise how they are being annoying.
Running a website/forum of my own, I know it would be quite the feat and costly to boot to ensure that everyone with access to this forum was who they said they were. Additionally, it may create a false sense of security for the posters. Might I suggest people take advantage of the 'ignore user' feature?
Likely, the vast majority of non-aviation folk who browse this forum either browse only or make decent contributions. It would be a shame that a few people ruin it for the majority, although alot of those 'few' likely don't realise how they are being annoying.
Running a website/forum of my own, I know it would be quite the feat and costly to boot to ensure that everyone with access to this forum was who they said they were. Additionally, it may create a false sense of security for the posters. Might I suggest people take advantage of the 'ignore user' feature?
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ignore!
ha.
it is the very thunderous debates that make this place interesting...even the name calling.
if you limit this forum in any way you should change the scope and title, and to those who self limit using "IGNORE" you are closing your collective minds.
the forum has gotten quite dull in recent weeks.
j
ha.
it is the very thunderous debates that make this place interesting...even the name calling.
if you limit this forum in any way you should change the scope and title, and to those who self limit using "IGNORE" you are closing your collective minds.
the forum has gotten quite dull in recent weeks.
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What would you call it?
PPrune Elite?
If you think I'm submitting copies of my licence to you, or giving you £1 a month - think again buddy.
With BLOGGING on the increase the days of pprune are numbered anyway.
PPrune Elite?
If you think I'm submitting copies of my licence to you, or giving you £1 a month - think again buddy.
With BLOGGING on the increase the days of pprune are numbered anyway.
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Can I just turn the discussion around for a minute?
What is the point of having this closed forum?
If it is designed to be a place where aircrew can discuss the aircrew aspects and implications of CHIRP, then it should be closed to anyone else, viewing not allowed either.
If it is designed to be a place where CHIRP reports can be analysed and discussed amongst people who may well be able to add to the debate, then allow ATCOs, licensed engineers, regulators, perhaps even airline senior management to take part.
The big issue I am trying to illustrate is that if you define what this forum will be for before you start it, then the answer to who should have access will become clear.
For the record, as an airline manager rather than a commercial pilot, I would be happy for such private fora to exist. I suspect I would add very little to it of value anyway.
Could we have another forum like it for discussions on airline business issues though? AA&R is, despite the best efforts of the mods, dissolving into a discussion amongst spotters about how they could do a better job than Walsh/O'Leary/AN Other....
What is the point of having this closed forum?
If it is designed to be a place where aircrew can discuss the aircrew aspects and implications of CHIRP, then it should be closed to anyone else, viewing not allowed either.
If it is designed to be a place where CHIRP reports can be analysed and discussed amongst people who may well be able to add to the debate, then allow ATCOs, licensed engineers, regulators, perhaps even airline senior management to take part.
The big issue I am trying to illustrate is that if you define what this forum will be for before you start it, then the answer to who should have access will become clear.
For the record, as an airline manager rather than a commercial pilot, I would be happy for such private fora to exist. I suspect I would add very little to it of value anyway.
Could we have another forum like it for discussions on airline business issues though? AA&R is, despite the best efforts of the mods, dissolving into a discussion amongst spotters about how they could do a better job than Walsh/O'Leary/AN Other....
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Whatever I decide to do and at what level access will be restricted to, I think that a minimal subscription will be in order to offset all the administration costs involved. Probably an initial trial period of say a month and then say £0.50 - £1.00 a month. Still not figured out how to handle the verification though. Could include a free pprune.com email address and require participants to register using real names or new pseudonyms but with, as mentioned above, qualifications in profile.
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Sorry, but this thread was revived after a post was merged into it. The original thread was just a discussion document but a few people seem unable to comprehend what that means. The post that was merged into it and revived it was about a mention elsewhere that we are in the process of revamping the forums and that some forums will be merged together thereby reducing the overall number of forums.
With regards to private forums that are only accessible to subscribers, that is a separate issue and no decisions have been taken on that for now.
With regards to private forums that are only accessible to subscribers, that is a separate issue and no decisions have been taken on that for now.
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There are times one would wish to discuss or debate certain issues without involving ATC, engineers, cabin crew or your granny: we do this behind the locked door.
What Dan is suggesting is no different: if a subscription is necessary and verification of one's status, is it any different to the "club" we already belong to?
What Dan is suggesting is no different: if a subscription is necessary and verification of one's status, is it any different to the "club" we already belong to?
Forum discipline
A significant issue in the forum has been poor discipline; self discipline in both thought and action (posting).
Discipline is the founding value in our profession. The forum offers opportunity to learn, exchange views, and seek personal improvement, but for those who lack discipline, particularly novice participants, their involvement reduces the potential offered by this unique facility.
We now have forum rules; these have to be both respected and enforced.
Moderators have to moderate, instilling discipline; professional contributors have to set an example so that we all might improve.
Novice participants should seek the skills and disciplines worthy of association with a professional group, and those invited ‘outsiders’ must remember the rules of etiquette and good manners applicable to any guest. If they seek knowledge through learning then this too requires a disciplined approach; first think about the question to asked, is the information available elsewhere, are you asking the ‘right’ question.
To progress this forum we must take something which is good and improve it, this requires all of us to exercise controlled thought involving consideration of the subject based on personal knowledge, if something will be of value to others, is it fact or supposition, or just rumour.
In terms of airmanship (professionalism) we have to build on self discipline with skills of thought and communication, which in turn enable knowledge. (after T. Kern – Airmanship.) I hope that Pprune will regain many of its earlier values which include the discipline revered by professional contributors.
Discipline is the founding value in our profession. The forum offers opportunity to learn, exchange views, and seek personal improvement, but for those who lack discipline, particularly novice participants, their involvement reduces the potential offered by this unique facility.
We now have forum rules; these have to be both respected and enforced.
Moderators have to moderate, instilling discipline; professional contributors have to set an example so that we all might improve.
Novice participants should seek the skills and disciplines worthy of association with a professional group, and those invited ‘outsiders’ must remember the rules of etiquette and good manners applicable to any guest. If they seek knowledge through learning then this too requires a disciplined approach; first think about the question to asked, is the information available elsewhere, are you asking the ‘right’ question.
To progress this forum we must take something which is good and improve it, this requires all of us to exercise controlled thought involving consideration of the subject based on personal knowledge, if something will be of value to others, is it fact or supposition, or just rumour.
In terms of airmanship (professionalism) we have to build on self discipline with skills of thought and communication, which in turn enable knowledge. (after T. Kern – Airmanship.) I hope that Pprune will regain many of its earlier values which include the discipline revered by professional contributors.
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Sorry, but this thread was revived after a post was merged into it. The original thread was just a discussion document but a few people seem unable to comprehend what that means. The post that was merged into it and revived it was about a mention elsewhere that we are in the process of revamping the forums and that some forums will be merged together thereby reducing the overall number of forums.
With regards to private forums that are only accessible to subscribers, that is a separate issue and no decisions have been taken on that for now.
With regards to private forums that are only accessible to subscribers, that is a separate issue and no decisions have been taken on that for now.
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I agree that Pprune is spoiled by poor discipline. Some threads/topics contain useful information, well-argued on all sides with (almost) no mud-slinging - like the current one on approach speeds which has already sharpened my attitude to 160kt to 4. Sadly, many others degenerate to be of little practical use.
If there were a way of weeding out the degeneration then I don't think there would be a need for a 'SuperPprune'. How that could be done is quite a different and difficult matter. More muscular intervention by moderators perhaps - which would require more time/money to be invested by them.
I've returned to reading Pprune after several years' boycotting. Danny has shamed me into buying a PT and I'm looking in to it at the moment. Perhaps this could be the way forward for Pprune?
If there were a way of weeding out the degeneration then I don't think there would be a need for a 'SuperPprune'. How that could be done is quite a different and difficult matter. More muscular intervention by moderators perhaps - which would require more time/money to be invested by them.
I've returned to reading Pprune after several years' boycotting. Danny has shamed me into buying a PT and I'm looking in to it at the moment. Perhaps this could be the way forward for Pprune?