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Faire d'income
I neither own shares in Ryanair nor do I work for Ryanair, so it is not my company.
This week I watched what was advertised as an expose of some shocking goings on in Ryanair. It was nothing of the sort. In 5 months of filming these investigators found very little worth broadcasting - in fact in my view and many others close to nothing.
From the documentary one could only conclude the CC did not report the now infamous slide problem to the flight crew. I cannot speculate what happened off camera. For all we know maybe Elvis or God were on board that day but it wasn't on camera.
I neither own shares in Ryanair nor do I work for Ryanair, so it is not my company.
This week I watched what was advertised as an expose of some shocking goings on in Ryanair. It was nothing of the sort. In 5 months of filming these investigators found very little worth broadcasting - in fact in my view and many others close to nothing.
From the documentary one could only conclude the CC did not report the now infamous slide problem to the flight crew. I cannot speculate what happened off camera. For all we know maybe Elvis or God were on board that day but it wasn't on camera.
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I neither own shares in Ryanair nor do I work for Ryanair, so it is not my company.
IAA maybe?
For all we know maybe Elvis or God were on board that day but it wasn't on camera.
There is the possibility that C4 made the whole thing up, if that were found to be true I would be advocating a big law suit. All I know is we were shown two cabin crew discussing a slide with a needle indicating it was unservicable.
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"All I know is we were shown two cabin crew discussing a slide with a needle indicating it was unservicable."
Agreed, that is all we were shown so lets "stick to what was shown".
Anyway I've had enough of this thread, it's descended into the usual pit plus we seem to have a number of people arguing about drinks availability..... a large one for me please.
Agreed, that is all we were shown so lets "stick to what was shown".
Anyway I've had enough of this thread, it's descended into the usual pit plus we seem to have a number of people arguing about drinks availability..... a large one for me please.
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Passport Checks
Is it actually possible to do a proper passport check on 180 boarding passengers in a 25 minute turnround, of which about 10 minutes is allowed for boarding and associated checks?
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Serious embarrassment for channel 4, perhaps.
Yet you are consistently(SIC) in the See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil camp.
IAA maybe?
IAA maybe?
This isn't the first time that Karen Edwards at Steve Boulton productions has distinguished herself with third rate, ill-conceived doggerel though. Anyone remember "Young, Nazi and proud", or the laughable exposé into NHS nurses? More of the same, really. Not sure they fully appreciate who they've taken on this time though. Hope they've got deep pockets. They'll shortly need 'em.
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Any chance of a discussion on the issues instead of more bile directed at anyone who doesn't buy into the nonsense?
Not rotten, just seriously mistaken. You keep throwing the dice Leo and it keeps coming up with your number. I would like to see and your ilk sorted before your luck runs out.
Isn't it funny, though, that anyone who commits the transgression of disagreeing with you that Ryanair is rotten to the core, must somehow be either Ryanair management, or working for the regulator.
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Originally Posted by A2QFI
Is it actually possible to do a proper passport check on 180 boarding passengers in a 25 minute turnround, of which about 10 minutes is allowed for boarding and associated checks?
1200/180 = 6.7 seconds per passport.
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Isn't it funny, though, that anyone who commits the transgression of disagreeing with you that Ryanair is rotten to the core, must somehow be either Ryanair management, or working for the regulator.
This isn't the first time that Karen Edwards at Steve Boulton productions has distinguished herself with third rate, ill-conceived doggerel though.
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Writing as an OAP long retired professional pilot I can say that all my RyanAir flights along with those with EasyJet have been perfectly satisfactory and generally at a price I can afford. The only exception pricewise was a late booking from Luton to Inverness where I had to be there the following day.
Such programmes as the one on Channel 4 just love to expose any perceived failing whether justified or not.
Thank the Lord for low cost carriers and the boost in employment they have brought to the airline industry.
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Such programmes as the one on Channel 4 just love to expose any perceived failing whether justified or not.
Thank the Lord for low cost carriers and the boost in employment they have brought to the airline industry.
Cheers,
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Leo Hairy-Camel; perhaps we should call you Michael O'Leary as this is the anagram of your Pprune ID. (Many thanks to Mrs Yarpy for pointing that one out).
You wrote:
There is a dichotomy in your position as an employer of airline pilots. Is it reasonable to assume that, when you roster a pilot to fly you are happy that he or she will discharge his or her duties responsibly? I.e. you would be confident that, with a fire in the cockpit, any Captain would act sensibly and save the aircraft?
Why then, would you seek to question a self assessment of fatigue by such a responsible and highly capable employee?
Explain please.
You wrote:
The Dublin captain in question couldn't be bothered, and sought to justify his recalcitrance after the fact by falsely claiming fatigue. Its as simple, and as scurrilous, as that.
Why then, would you seek to question a self assessment of fatigue by such a responsible and highly capable employee?
Explain please.
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I am very concerned by the fact that I had no problem at all in identifying most of the crew members whose faces were blanked out either by their general outline and/or voice, I have no doubt that the management can do so as well
As yet I have not found out whether the crew members concerned were aware thet C4 were USING them?
As yet I have not found out whether the crew members concerned were aware thet C4 were USING them?
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What Fate for the Delayed Flight crew....
Just a question to anyone in FR about whether there have been any 'consequences' for the Cpt and FO of that delayed flight for so vividly describing their take on Ryanair's corporate policy?
I agree that the whole conversation was, most likely, taken way out of context for the film and that clearly it was more or less all banter.
However like many others I still think that some of their comments(all in the programme not just the flightdeck), even if they are flipent, do perhaps demonstrate a fear of management at the least and at worst illustrates an incredibly agressive corporate operating environment for the crews.....one that by its nature might make those Cheesey holes just that little bit bigger?
A question perhaps of Corporate culture and its (thus far potential) consequences....?
I agree that the whole conversation was, most likely, taken way out of context for the film and that clearly it was more or less all banter.
However like many others I still think that some of their comments(all in the programme not just the flightdeck), even if they are flipent, do perhaps demonstrate a fear of management at the least and at worst illustrates an incredibly agressive corporate operating environment for the crews.....one that by its nature might make those Cheesey holes just that little bit bigger?
A question perhaps of Corporate culture and its (thus far potential) consequences....?
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My original questions
The security issues I raised in a previous post have not been debated.
I believe that the security chiefs in Stansted and the Irish Government should have issues.
Just hope what we saw is isolated and not a company wide culture.
The reportage was poor.
I believe that the security chiefs in Stansted and the Irish Government should have issues.
Just hope what we saw is isolated and not a company wide culture.
The reportage was poor.
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First - I have not seen the C4 docu.
What strikes me here, however, is that this thread is veering off course. Frankly, a missed passport check doesn't really get me excited. I am a frequent traveller on FR, not because of fares, but because they fly to the out-of-the-way places I often have to go to in my work. In 100+ FR flights, not once were the passports not checked. Granted, boarding can be somewhat, shall we say, chaotic (southern Italy
), but I've ALWAYS had a pp check.
The trolley dollies are, well, IMHO not up to scratch, as I have posted on another thread a while ago - again, perhaps not great, but not the end of the world.
What REALLY is troubling here is the elephant in the room - FATIGUE UP THE POINTY END. THIS is the issue and the whole culture of 'squeeze 'em for all they're worth', both pax and crew.
What strikes me here, however, is that this thread is veering off course. Frankly, a missed passport check doesn't really get me excited. I am a frequent traveller on FR, not because of fares, but because they fly to the out-of-the-way places I often have to go to in my work. In 100+ FR flights, not once were the passports not checked. Granted, boarding can be somewhat, shall we say, chaotic (southern Italy
), but I've ALWAYS had a pp check. The trolley dollies are, well, IMHO not up to scratch, as I have posted on another thread a while ago - again, perhaps not great, but not the end of the world.
What REALLY is troubling here is the elephant in the room - FATIGUE UP THE POINTY END. THIS is the issue and the whole culture of 'squeeze 'em for all they're worth', both pax and crew.
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In the build up to this programme and now a few days into the aftermath I really have to say my overwhelming feeling is that it has been a brilliant piece of crisis management and an example of superb PR by Ryanair.
"May the dust of your carriage blind the eyes of your foe!"
"May the dust of your carriage blind the eyes of your foe!"
172, you are correct, however if you even get close to the issues involved, Danny cops another legal letter from Ryanair.
As for the non reporting of the slide bottle pressure to the Captain, there are a number of possible explanations, slovenly cabin crew, bad training, time pressure and so on.
However there is a possible behavioural reason - What if you tell the captain and the flight is delayed while the problem is fixed, and you subsequently get a bollocking from management for being a "smartarse"?
I've seen it done.
As for the non reporting of the slide bottle pressure to the Captain, there are a number of possible explanations, slovenly cabin crew, bad training, time pressure and so on.
However there is a possible behavioural reason - What if you tell the captain and the flight is delayed while the problem is fixed, and you subsequently get a bollocking from management for being a "smartarse"?
I've seen it done.
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What if you tell the captain and the flight is delayed while the problem is fixed, and you subsequently get a bollocking from management for being a "smartarse"?
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There were remarkable simularities on this programe to the Airline that I fly for. For example, our cabin crew are told only to check 15% of the life jackets per turnaround. If you only do 4 sectors then only 60% have been checked. I have never heard on a hand over to an on comming late shift where the previous crew had actually got to, ie which Seat Row; as some may have not actually completed the 15% per sector for a multitude of reasons.
However, on the flights that I have operated I rarely see any Life Jacket holders checked unless there is a whiff of the DfT or CAA, pending a ramp check or spot check of the aircraft.
Bottom line? 25 minute turnarounds are not acceptable. Period!
However, on the flights that I have operated I rarely see any Life Jacket holders checked unless there is a whiff of the DfT or CAA, pending a ramp check or spot check of the aircraft.
Bottom line? 25 minute turnarounds are not acceptable. Period!