Southwest B737 Overrun @ Chcago MDW
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RRAAMJET, I wasnt aware of the extent of the damage.
I feel bad for those pilots, SWA are a cool bunch, always enjoy hearing their banter on the radio.
Out of curiosity does anyone know how many daily cycles SWA has?
I feel bad for those pilots, SWA are a cool bunch, always enjoy hearing their banter on the radio.
Out of curiosity does anyone know how many daily cycles SWA has?
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Unbelievable comment here in Dallas from a member of SWA's Go-team - "We had no fatalities on the plane, so that keeps our record intact".
No, but just reported that an 8-year-old boy has died. Shame on them.
No, but just reported that an 8-year-old boy has died. Shame on them.
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Here's an overhead of the crash site:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=midway...6953&t=h&hl=en
Another overhead from the just released Windows Live Local:
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v...&scene=1403109
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=midway...6953&t=h&hl=en
Another overhead from the just released Windows Live Local:
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v...&scene=1403109
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I have to agree old buddy. Just heard the child, a 6 year old, just died.
As someone with a 5 year old grandson my heart goes out to the family.
All they were doing was just driving down the road. Just before Christmas.
Aw Hell, its got to get to you.
As someone with a 5 year old grandson my heart goes out to the family.
All they were doing was just driving down the road. Just before Christmas.
Aw Hell, its got to get to you.
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Airbubba thanks for posting the link to the aerial view of Midway. I have never paxed into this field but, looking at the map, my jaw fell open. I have been in City style airports before but - if the slightest thing goes wrong - there is just nowhere to go. To have the runways crammed in to such a residential area and the perimeter road right there? Staggering what people will do for money (i.e. squeezing an airport into the middle of a suburb) I sit to be corrected.
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PAXboy,
I think you'll find that, as with so many airports, the city came to the runways rather than
There's a picture of MDW in 1929 on this page. Note the absence of pretty much everything...
I heard the 13/31 screw up as well. My thought was that it's a good thing the aircraft didn't land on 13C... it may well have hit the White Castle on that corner and the grease fire would still be burning.
I didn't notice whether anyone else pointed it out, but PAXboy's comment reminds me that it's 33 years to the day since the United 737 crash a mile-and-a-half short of 31L at MDW that killed 45...
I think you'll find that, as with so many airports, the city came to the runways rather than
the runways crammed in to such a residential area and the perimeter road right there?
I heard the 13/31 screw up as well. My thought was that it's a good thing the aircraft didn't land on 13C... it may well have hit the White Castle on that corner and the grease fire would still be burning.
I didn't notice whether anyone else pointed it out, but PAXboy's comment reminds me that it's 33 years to the day since the United 737 crash a mile-and-a-half short of 31L at MDW that killed 45...
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Aircraft involved was N471WN, a -700Winglets version, 1,5 years old
source: www.jacdec.de/news/news.htm
source: www.jacdec.de/news/news.htm
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BBC News story on the incident, including reference to the accident 33 years ago.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4512360.stm
Jordan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4512360.stm
Jordan
The landing distance on this runway is around 5800ft due to a displaced threshold. I've been in there once or twice - it's a very tight squeeze.
I'm amazed aircraft like the MD-80 can get in and out. I've also watched a 727 take off from there on a 90 degree day - now that was a sight to behold!
I believe this runway experienced an overrun recently with an ATA 757-300 - the aircraft on this occasion did stay within the airfield boundary.
I'm amazed aircraft like the MD-80 can get in and out. I've also watched a 727 take off from there on a 90 degree day - now that was a sight to behold!
I believe this runway experienced an overrun recently with an ATA 757-300 - the aircraft on this occasion did stay within the airfield boundary.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Hit two cars, both with passengers.
CNN:
"The 6-year-old boy who died was in the car with his two younger brothers, including an infant, and his parents, said Deborah Song, spokeswoman for Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oaklawn.
Their vehicle was crushed under the nose and fuselage of the plane, said Fire Department spokesman Larry Langford.
The mother, in her 30s, was in good condition; the father, in his 40s, was in serious condition; the 4-year-old middle son was in fair condition; and the infant was in serious condition, Song said.
Four people in the second car, which was under a wing of the Boeing 737-700 jet, were in serious but stable condition.
In addition, three passengers from the plane were in good condition, said Trotter, quoting paramedics.
CNN:
"The 6-year-old boy who died was in the car with his two younger brothers, including an infant, and his parents, said Deborah Song, spokeswoman for Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oaklawn.
Their vehicle was crushed under the nose and fuselage of the plane, said Fire Department spokesman Larry Langford.
The mother, in her 30s, was in good condition; the father, in his 40s, was in serious condition; the 4-year-old middle son was in fair condition; and the infant was in serious condition, Song said.
Four people in the second car, which was under a wing of the Boeing 737-700 jet, were in serious but stable condition.
In addition, three passengers from the plane were in good condition, said Trotter, quoting paramedics.
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Big PR problem for SW
I flown into Midway with Lear Jets and HS-125's all without thrust reversers. Off course I had good weather on all the occasions.
Someone said AA canceled their flight, I heard SW held for 30 minutes, why the hold? Any braking action reports?
It's sound like they had "get-there-itis" KORD is only about 15 miles away, they could of landed there and bussed the people to KMDW. SW is point-point so the paxs didn't have to make any connections other than meeting with their loved ones.
Reminds me of an incident several years ago at KBDL where they had 50kts winds at night, AA or UAL diverted to a field 50 miles away, US Air made an approach and barely cleared the ridge line, tree branches went through the engines. Moral of the story, the crew that diverted still have their jobs.
I wonder how SW crews will be acting today as they normally have an in-your-face stupid humor style. An example, a stew was giving the normal pax briefing and the Capt piped in claiming she's my ex-wife. Are they an airline or comedy club? Definetly not PAN-AM.
This is the second overrun SW has had in recent history, in CA they ended up in a gas station several years ago.
My heart goes out to the family of the 6 year old boy, what kind of Christmas will they have?
Someone said AA canceled their flight, I heard SW held for 30 minutes, why the hold? Any braking action reports?
It's sound like they had "get-there-itis" KORD is only about 15 miles away, they could of landed there and bussed the people to KMDW. SW is point-point so the paxs didn't have to make any connections other than meeting with their loved ones.
Reminds me of an incident several years ago at KBDL where they had 50kts winds at night, AA or UAL diverted to a field 50 miles away, US Air made an approach and barely cleared the ridge line, tree branches went through the engines. Moral of the story, the crew that diverted still have their jobs.
I wonder how SW crews will be acting today as they normally have an in-your-face stupid humor style. An example, a stew was giving the normal pax briefing and the Capt piped in claiming she's my ex-wife. Are they an airline or comedy club? Definetly not PAN-AM.
This is the second overrun SW has had in recent history, in CA they ended up in a gas station several years ago.
My heart goes out to the family of the 6 year old boy, what kind of Christmas will they have?
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Quote from ATPMBA:
'Someone said AA canceled their flight, I heard SW held for 30 minutes, why the hold? Any braking action reports?'
Perhaps it was holding while the ploughs went out to clear the snow? Perhaps it was not done properly (pure speculation).
'Someone said AA canceled their flight, I heard SW held for 30 minutes, why the hold? Any braking action reports?'
Perhaps it was holding while the ploughs went out to clear the snow? Perhaps it was not done properly (pure speculation).
ATPMBA
Isn't that
1. Pure speculation
2. Off the point
3. Inaccurate...I think another airlines narrow body hit some trees in that part of the world some years ago and got away with it..not much in the news about it. To my knowledge there was not a US Air incident at KBDL in recent memory. Please if relevant supply the links.
Thanks.
Flown-it.
Reminds me of an incident several years ago at KBDL where they had 50kts winds at night, AA or UAL diverted to a field 50 miles away, US Air made an approach and barely cleared the ridge line, tree branches went through the engines. Moral of the story, the crew that diverted still have their jobs.
1. Pure speculation
2. Off the point
3. Inaccurate...I think another airlines narrow body hit some trees in that part of the world some years ago and got away with it..not much in the news about it. To my knowledge there was not a US Air incident at KBDL in recent memory. Please if relevant supply the links.
Thanks.
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The number of sectors operated by these guys, 2 overruns, whilst 2 too many, sounds not such a bad record;ATPMBA (sic) sounds like the stateside equivalent of a Ryanair basher.Their humour, which he very kindly points out will be a bit subdued today, has b*gger all to do with anything (perhaps they smile coz they are treated well?) I feel much safer flying in a happy ship, good CRM/ communication etc. As stated by the previous poster we have no idea why they held for,then eventually landed at, destination, if it legal,& practical that is what we are paid to do for chrissake! Loss of the child,as any parent knows, is heartbreaking at any time,perhaps especially at Xmas, imagine the parents having to deal with previously purchased gifts from Santa, truly ,truly heart-rending.
Relevant only from the part about one airline diverting and the other not
I was aboard the UAL flight coming from ORD-BDL and I assure you we did not divert or abort even though we used the same approach over the tree line. We bumped around some (always fun at low altitude)
The only difference was that we did not descend below MDH. I saw the AA MD80 the next day in the hangar and it was an eye opener to see the tree branches stuck in the belly skin lap joints.
3. Inaccurate...I think another airlines narrow body hit some trees in that part of the world some years ago and got away with it..not much in the news about it. To my knowledge there was not a US Air incident at KBDL in recent memory. Please if relevant supply the links.
Thanks.
Flown-it.
Thanks.
Flown-it.
The only difference was that we did not descend below MDH. I saw the AA MD80 the next day in the hangar and it was an eye opener to see the tree branches stuck in the belly skin lap joints.