More madness at BA.
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I think it is time to put this one to bed. Overall I think we can agree that it is only a minority of cabin crew who are causing this animosity and friction in the same way that it is a minority of flight deck who have an attitude problem.
It would seem that the word 'respect' prompted a sub-debate within this thread and although the two main contenders, THINALBERT and HugMonster were having a fairly clean fight which only sunk to gutter level for a few moments during the middle rounds I have to declare THINALBERT the winner on a points basis.
Overall though I don't think the two of you were that far apart and if HugMonster ever joins THINALBERTs airline and finds himself in the sim with him as instructor, that THINALBERT will have as much respect for HugMonsters plight as I know HugMonster would have for THINALBERT in any circumstances.
The corporate culture does seem to play an important part in the way the different departments are set up and managed. As a company grows and expands there will inevitably be departments vying with each other for budgets and as the standard of management in many companies can vary and some leave a lot to be desired, there will inevitably be some 'Ivory Towers' and then it becomes even more difficult to deal with ingrained attitudes which are often instilled into new recruits at an early stage.
A few of the posts have been made by pilots or wannabe pilots who will find it hard to make the grade purely looking at their level of argument and terminology. Anyone who refers to cabin crew as 'biscuit throwers' or any other derogatory term in the context of what is a serious debate does not deserve anyones respect. Yes we can have a laugh with cabin crew and call them that if it is in good humour and you are also prepared to have your personality put down jokingly because of its 'contraceptive qualities' which are supposed to be inherent in all pilots but to refer to them as gbnkr has in his post makes me shudder to think that someone like him may one day be applying to an airline for a job. Hopefully he will have matured sufficiently by then to relise what a prat he sounds like right now. With his attitude I would be prepared to bet that he is on a ‘self improver’ route and has not had to go through any sort of selection process.
Overall I think that the debate has been useful, especially if it made Pandora become a CRM trainer and if it has placed the topic on some managements desk if only to highlight that there are some problems that need dealing with before they get out of hand. Just as ‘no news is good news’ and we all know that most of the news we hear is the bad kind, it is also a fact that the overwhelming majority of cabin crew we have to work with as pilots are doing a good job, know the chain of command and understand that we are working as a team in the interests of safety and the few cases that have been mentioned in this thread are not the norm but exceptions.
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It would seem that the word 'respect' prompted a sub-debate within this thread and although the two main contenders, THINALBERT and HugMonster were having a fairly clean fight which only sunk to gutter level for a few moments during the middle rounds I have to declare THINALBERT the winner on a points basis.
Overall though I don't think the two of you were that far apart and if HugMonster ever joins THINALBERTs airline and finds himself in the sim with him as instructor, that THINALBERT will have as much respect for HugMonsters plight as I know HugMonster would have for THINALBERT in any circumstances.
The corporate culture does seem to play an important part in the way the different departments are set up and managed. As a company grows and expands there will inevitably be departments vying with each other for budgets and as the standard of management in many companies can vary and some leave a lot to be desired, there will inevitably be some 'Ivory Towers' and then it becomes even more difficult to deal with ingrained attitudes which are often instilled into new recruits at an early stage.
A few of the posts have been made by pilots or wannabe pilots who will find it hard to make the grade purely looking at their level of argument and terminology. Anyone who refers to cabin crew as 'biscuit throwers' or any other derogatory term in the context of what is a serious debate does not deserve anyones respect. Yes we can have a laugh with cabin crew and call them that if it is in good humour and you are also prepared to have your personality put down jokingly because of its 'contraceptive qualities' which are supposed to be inherent in all pilots but to refer to them as gbnkr has in his post makes me shudder to think that someone like him may one day be applying to an airline for a job. Hopefully he will have matured sufficiently by then to relise what a prat he sounds like right now. With his attitude I would be prepared to bet that he is on a ‘self improver’ route and has not had to go through any sort of selection process.
Overall I think that the debate has been useful, especially if it made Pandora become a CRM trainer and if it has placed the topic on some managements desk if only to highlight that there are some problems that need dealing with before they get out of hand. Just as ‘no news is good news’ and we all know that most of the news we hear is the bad kind, it is also a fact that the overwhelming majority of cabin crew we have to work with as pilots are doing a good job, know the chain of command and understand that we are working as a team in the interests of safety and the few cases that have been mentioned in this thread are not the norm but exceptions.
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Glad to see I figure in your daily thoughts. I'm not 175 atually.
As for the -400 captain. If you were SFO at 32 that means you joined when you were 28. If you're now 36 that means you've dome 8 years. I'm sorry but not even in you're wildest dreams are you a BA -400 captain. EOG maybe.
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Glad to see I figure in your daily thoughts. I'm not 175 atually.
As for the -400 captain. If you were SFO at 32 that means you joined when you were 28. If you're now 36 that means you've dome 8 years. I'm sorry but not even in you're wildest dreams are you a BA -400 captain. EOG maybe.
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I worked as a maintenance engineer at BA for several years and must say that on the numerous occasions that I enjoyed the dubious benefits of staff travel I was treated well by the cabin crew. I am now a flight engineer at a (very) different company, and all of my flying experience is on freighters, so I can't comment on treatment from "the other side". My father is a retired BA flight engineer however, and he says that in his time most were okay, there were just a few bad apples/complete s**ts, like in all walks of life, not just aviation. Trouble is it seems that these days in BA these individuals are not getting the b*ll*ck*ngs that they deserve.
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Er Captain Airclues
Completely agree with your posting but I think you meant to address it to Speedbird175. Didn't you?
The remarks I believe you have attributed to me are simply copied and pasted from Speedbird175s earlier posting in an attempt to show him up for what he is.
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VICCYTEN
Oh that I was only 36!
[This message has been edited by VICCYTEN (edited 04 May 2001).]
Completely agree with your posting but I think you meant to address it to Speedbird175. Didn't you?
The remarks I believe you have attributed to me are simply copied and pasted from Speedbird175s earlier posting in an attempt to show him up for what he is.
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VICCYTEN
Oh that I was only 36!
[This message has been edited by VICCYTEN (edited 04 May 2001).]
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Hey folks chill out !!
Theres is always going to be a barrier between flight crew and cabin crew because they have different jobs which come together to form an excellent team(sometimes !)
As there always is there are cabin wan**rs and flight wan**rs, just got to get on do the job.
Chin up !, remember your flying for the best airline in the world...
Cheers,
WT.
Theres is always going to be a barrier between flight crew and cabin crew because they have different jobs which come together to form an excellent team(sometimes !)
As there always is there are cabin wan**rs and flight wan**rs, just got to get on do the job.
Chin up !, remember your flying for the best airline in the world...
Cheers,
WT.
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Now you see what sort of confusion can reign if you don't use the proper codes and punctuation. If VICCYTEN had checked the FAQ's and used a bit of UBBCode there would be none of this. VICCYTEN's post should have looked more like this:
Anyway, off on a tangent here so closing this one for now.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Speedbird175
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posted 03 May 2001 13:59
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Well im not the youngest for command, but i got SFO on B744 at 32, now im 36 and 18 months Command on B744 with the worlds favourite airline.
Not married nor never will be, just enjoying the girls! </font>
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posted 03 May 2001 13:59
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Well im not the youngest for command, but i got SFO on B744 at 32, now im 36 and 18 months Command on B744 with the worlds favourite airline.
Not married nor never will be, just enjoying the girls! </font>
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Capt PPRuNe
aka Danny Fyne
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