Air Atlanta Cargo incident Sharjah 07/11/04
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The offload of cargo from this aircraft still ongoing apparantly.
104T payload being offloaded from the SCD as the nosedoor is smashed into the ground and is u/s.
Any problem is that the tail and the nosedoor are several fathoms higher than iit would normally be above flat ground level !
sorry that should say SIDE CARGO DOOR (SCD) not nosedoor being used to offload the cargo.
104T payload being offloaded from the SCD as the nosedoor is smashed into the ground and is u/s.
Any problem is that the tail and the nosedoor are several fathoms higher than iit would normally be above flat ground level !
sorry that should say SIDE CARGO DOOR (SCD) not nosedoor being used to offload the cargo.
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Guys
I am due to fly on Air Atlanta (EUK is Air Atlanta isnt it??) to Sharm El Sheikh (SSH), Egypt from LGW in a couple of weeks, and to be honest I am rather worried! I think it is a 747-200 we are flying on - should I have cause for concern and should I try to book another airline?? All I hear about is delays due to technical problems...and 'incidents' like on this forum
My friend is the Head ground engineer there,You have no worries.
I am due to fly on Air Atlanta (EUK is Air Atlanta isnt it??) to Sharm El Sheikh (SSH), Egypt from LGW in a couple of weeks, and to be honest I am rather worried! I think it is a 747-200 we are flying on - should I have cause for concern and should I try to book another airline?? All I hear about is delays due to technical problems...and 'incidents' like on this forum
My friend is the Head ground engineer there,You have no worries.
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Well done AAI crew. The chief must be proud of them.
Any chance to see the names or at least the TLC-s.?
Alex
You as an English should have understood THAT an-124 NEVER put in question your expertise. He only failed to put a FULL STOP ( oopps a PERIOD) after the "piloting issue".
See, like this:
I am not a pilot, so unlike Alex Whittingham, I am not going to offer my expertise on a piloting issue. I am obviously not qualified to talk about. What I can offer is only what I have heard "from a reliable source".
Besides he gave very valuable comments and photos
Any chance to see the names or at least the TLC-s.?
Alex
You as an English should have understood THAT an-124 NEVER put in question your expertise. He only failed to put a FULL STOP ( oopps a PERIOD) after the "piloting issue".
See, like this:
I am not a pilot, so unlike Alex Whittingham, I am not going to offer my expertise on a piloting issue. I am obviously not qualified to talk about. What I can offer is only what I have heard "from a reliable source".
Besides he gave very valuable comments and photos
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Latest goss from the trenches has a ruptured brake line starting a fire on the Rt main LG truck and at least three of the four wheels grinding down to the rims. Unfortunate, but also took out brakes on Left side as well.
Reject at or BELOW V1 attempted! Great job by crew in steering off to the side, and missing the approach light stanchions! Over-run was supposedly less than 50 kts!
Contrary to early reports, all 4 BRT's (big round things) were in "reverse"! Two are "possibly" salvagable..... ME sand does a job on rotating things, it is reliably foretold.
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Unabashed copy from MK Halifax thread.....
As far as I know, none of the AAI/Lufthansa Contract aircraft, or crew use any 'Computerised' Boeing data. All of their performance data is compiled by NavTech and all calculations on the flight deck are done using these tables...not a computer!
Believe me, the airplane is going to be scrapped!
Reject at or BELOW V1 attempted! Great job by crew in steering off to the side, and missing the approach light stanchions! Over-run was supposedly less than 50 kts!
Contrary to early reports, all 4 BRT's (big round things) were in "reverse"! Two are "possibly" salvagable..... ME sand does a job on rotating things, it is reliably foretold.
Added:
Unabashed copy from MK Halifax thread.....
As far as I know, none of the AAI/Lufthansa Contract aircraft, or crew use any 'Computerised' Boeing data. All of their performance data is compiled by NavTech and all calculations on the flight deck are done using these tables...not a computer!
Believe me, the airplane is going to be scrapped!
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"Any chance to see the names or at least the TLC-s.?"
This is a public forum and names of those involved do not belong on it.
If you work for the company you will find out sooner or later via the grapewine. If you do not , well the you do not need to know (Not that one really needs to know even if one works for the company).
I would think that the cause of this incident would be of more interest than the names of those involved.
AD
"Any chance to see the names or at least the TLC-s.?"
This is a public forum and names of those involved do not belong on it.
If you work for the company you will find out sooner or later via the grapewine. If you do not , well the you do not need to know (Not that one really needs to know even if one works for the company).
I would think that the cause of this incident would be of more interest than the names of those involved.
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Hmmm, ruptured brake line.
Sounds like a maintenance shortcoming to me.
Perhaps the UKCAA needs to get involved again, not to mention the LBA.
The Icelandic DCA will certainly not intervene...or will they?
Where/when will it end, I wonder?
The next incident/accident can't be far off.
Sounds like a maintenance shortcoming to me.
Perhaps the UKCAA needs to get involved again, not to mention the LBA.
The Icelandic DCA will certainly not intervene...or will they?
Where/when will it end, I wonder?
The next incident/accident can't be far off.
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Holy BeJeezusss 411A..... why does EVERYTHING have to be an AAI maintenance shortcoming with you?
Have you considered that Concorde came to a fiery end because of running over debris on the runway? Is it not remotely possible that a similar incident could have caused a rupture here? ...or was Concorde being maintained by AAI engineers?
Holy BeJeezusss 411A..... why does EVERYTHING have to be an AAI maintenance shortcoming with you?
Have you considered that Concorde came to a fiery end because of running over debris on the runway? Is it not remotely possible that a similar incident could have caused a rupture here? ...or was Concorde being maintained by AAI engineers?
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There was also the issue of the missing wheel spacer on the Concorde that although it was demonstrated to cause much mayhem with the landing gear, was completely ruled out by the french.to the dismay of the AAIB..easier to blame the yanks...if 411A is keen to blame maintenance, then it would seem that some posters here are just as keen to rule it out..may or may not be...we'll soon find out...anyway if it's third party maintenance, doesn't reflect badly on AA as an operator does it?
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CARGO ONE
What are you talking about? All four of the AAI guys in SHJ escaped without injuries! It was a CARGO aircraft!
Concorde was an entirely different story....no evacuation attempts there!
WTFO?
What are you talking about? All four of the AAI guys in SHJ escaped without injuries! It was a CARGO aircraft!
Concorde was an entirely different story....no evacuation attempts there!
WTFO?
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Paladini,
i believe that CargoOne refers to casualties during the process of getting the aircraft out of the sand, eg the salvaging of the aircraft.
CargoOne,
supposedly the EK crew trying to get the aircraft out of the sand were not only having problems, but there are said to have been injuries. no further details that i have, though....
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i believe that CargoOne refers to casualties during the process of getting the aircraft out of the sand, eg the salvaging of the aircraft.
CargoOne,
supposedly the EK crew trying to get the aircraft out of the sand were not only having problems, but there are said to have been injuries. no further details that i have, though....
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You never give up 411A
Was it the AAI maintenance people who left the APU running on a Tristar unattended? I think you remember what happened. It burned out the pump anc could have caused a fire.
Don't jump to conclusions till the facts are brought out. Just because you wern't called back don't put the maintenance personnel down. I know many of them and they do a good job.
What do they say about people who live in glass houses?
Was it the AAI maintenance people who left the APU running on a Tristar unattended? I think you remember what happened. It burned out the pump anc could have caused a fire.
Don't jump to conclusions till the facts are brought out. Just because you wern't called back don't put the maintenance personnel down. I know many of them and they do a good job.
What do they say about people who live in glass houses?
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Just found some additional information on this accident. The Captain was ex Lufthansa and the maintenance was being performed on this aircraft by the Lufthansa maintenance staff.
I hope this quiets some folks out there.
I hope this quiets some folks out there.
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Latest news is that the aircraft fell off the jacks that were supporting it - sounds like it happened a few days ago - can anyone confirm this?
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Yes indeed, callout, APU's were normally left running with AAI or contract mx in attendance, which they were. Perhaps they didn't know how to shut it down...or know that the APU has auto fire protection.
It would appear that the past rather marginal oversight that the company has had, together with rapid growth, has led to unfortunate incidents, and now an accident.
I can well imagine an audit is needed of the entire operation.
It would appear that the past rather marginal oversight that the company has had, together with rapid growth, has led to unfortunate incidents, and now an accident.
I can well imagine an audit is needed of the entire operation.
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What exit did the crew use to evacuate the aircraft?
Two doors appear open in the pics, The RH upper deck and the overhead emergency escape hatch.
Perhaps the shack was in the way preventing the RH slide raft from being deployed.
Seems that they would have wanted to get out ASAP after completing the evacuation checklist.
Did the slide get removed before the pics where taken , or the enertia reals brought back inside?
Happy that the crew is OK!
Could have been much worse.
Two doors appear open in the pics, The RH upper deck and the overhead emergency escape hatch.
Perhaps the shack was in the way preventing the RH slide raft from being deployed.
Seems that they would have wanted to get out ASAP after completing the evacuation checklist.
Did the slide get removed before the pics where taken , or the enertia reals brought back inside?
Happy that the crew is OK!
Could have been much worse.
Last edited by Earl; 18th Nov 2004 at 18:03.