BA Restructuring Plans
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BA Restructuring Plans
Was in the coffee shop in Waterworld on Friday with two female companions who decided that they would speak in French for 15 minutes to tune up their ears before going on holiday. The only free seats were next to two men who stopped talking when we sat down. They must have decided that we were all French, assuming that I could not get a word in, and continued their conversation. This is what I believe BA is planning.
All LH flying to be done by mainline pilots.
All SH flying to be reorganised with SH pilots maintaining their current seats*.
*All SH captains above pay point 16 required to bid for LH.
Any LH captains displaced required to bid for SH to maintain capt pay or change seats but on FO pay.
LHR and LGW work to be 'combined'.
All SH eastern European work to be transferred to BMed - see note 1.
All remaining European work to be transferred to GB Airways - see note 1..
All domestic work to be done by BACX - see note 1.
Note 1.
SH BA pilots to remain in their seats with their BA pay - capped at pp16 but to be scheduled iaw the respective airline's sched rules and with their allowance system.
Note 2. Commands currently held by BMed/GB/BACX pilots to be reserved exclusively for those pilots - the remainder (and any growth) to be made available to BA pilots.
All LH flying to be done by mainline pilots.
All SH flying to be reorganised with SH pilots maintaining their current seats*.
*All SH captains above pay point 16 required to bid for LH.
Any LH captains displaced required to bid for SH to maintain capt pay or change seats but on FO pay.
LHR and LGW work to be 'combined'.
All SH eastern European work to be transferred to BMed - see note 1.
All remaining European work to be transferred to GB Airways - see note 1..
All domestic work to be done by BACX - see note 1.
Note 1.
SH BA pilots to remain in their seats with their BA pay - capped at pp16 but to be scheduled iaw the respective airline's sched rules and with their allowance system.
Note 2. Commands currently held by BMed/GB/BACX pilots to be reserved exclusively for those pilots - the remainder (and any growth) to be made available to BA pilots.
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This sounds about right
The plans to combine LHR and LGW have been around for ages, it's only the LHR unions blocking it that have stopped it so far.
As a crew member that has to drive past LHR to go to LGW to get a bus from LGW to LHR to operate a LHR flight, (which is then classed as 4 sector rather than 2 sector because of the bus, severly restricting the routes we can operate)
I am very interested in combining the two airports
It does seem an awful waste of resources to have trained crew that cannnot operate direct from another airport
The plans to combine LHR and LGW have been around for ages, it's only the LHR unions blocking it that have stopped it so far.
As a crew member that has to drive past LHR to go to LGW to get a bus from LGW to LHR to operate a LHR flight, (which is then classed as 4 sector rather than 2 sector because of the bus, severly restricting the routes we can operate)
I am very interested in combining the two airports
It does seem an awful waste of resources to have trained crew that cannnot operate direct from another airport
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I'd heard the one about all shorthaul going to GB some months ago (similar to the one last year where it was all going to CitiExpress
) - but the way I heard it was that GB took a detailed look at the operation and turned it down for some reason??
) - but the way I heard it was that GB took a detailed look at the operation and turned it down for some reason??
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Note 2. Commands currently held by BMed/GB/BACX pilots to be reserved exclusively for those pilots - the remainder (and any growth) to be made available to BA pilots.
If this rumour is true then the BACC believe they can get away with murder.
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The very nature of this is that it is a 'rumour network', and therefore you have to take everything here with some degree of scepticism. However, I am inclined to think there may be something in this. The bottom line is that the BACC cannot arbitrarily anounce to GB, BMed or anyone else how things will be. I am sure the folks at BA will have noticed that they are in dire straits and a job with BA is not what it once was.
Any rationalisation of the BA SH operation which inolves GB taking over the running of things is not a case of BA absorbing GB. Therefore GB pilots will not be 'just grateful to have a job' and giving a big thanks to BA for their kind interest in the copmany. There is no way that GB pilots will sit back and let their CC negotiate some naff deal whereby the FOs are shoved to the bottom of a seniority list somewhere. Should some deal be reached with BA, there will be a lot of water to flow under the bridge regarding terms and conditions. Nothing has been agreed among the pilots yet, and therefore the assumptions being made regarding future deals are at best premature.
Any rationalisation of the BA SH operation which inolves GB taking over the running of things is not a case of BA absorbing GB. Therefore GB pilots will not be 'just grateful to have a job' and giving a big thanks to BA for their kind interest in the copmany. There is no way that GB pilots will sit back and let their CC negotiate some naff deal whereby the FOs are shoved to the bottom of a seniority list somewhere. Should some deal be reached with BA, there will be a lot of water to flow under the bridge regarding terms and conditions. Nothing has been agreed among the pilots yet, and therefore the assumptions being made regarding future deals are at best premature.
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Also very telling is the assumpation (arrogance) that those who speak French could not possibly understand English....... Did you not get a look at their passes and so hint as to identitys ???
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If all shorthaul Eastern European work to be done by BMed, and all 'remaining' European work is to be done by GB; then what, exactly, is left for BACX except the shuttle (
) and one or two domestic routes.
Time to bend over, and recite as follows methinks..."For what we about to receive"
(pass the vaseline again-waddaya mean, it's run out)
"may we be truly truly thankful for the wisdom and benevolence of our management, and the support and good wishes of our 'colleagues' in mainline".
) and one or two domestic routes.Time to bend over, and recite as follows methinks..."For what we about to receive"
(pass the vaseline again-waddaya mean, it's run out)
"may we be truly truly thankful for the wisdom and benevolence of our management, and the support and good wishes of our 'colleagues' in mainline".
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Don't worry too much Cornflake. The latest turn of events with regard to terrorist threats and airport security will have such an adverse effect on BA that they will probably have to re-think their plans all over again.
For example; no-one wants to fly BA to the US (or anywhere else) due to the fact that they are the one British airline that have been identified as an Al Queda target. Losses too much to contend with and BA go into receivership. All franchise partners and subsidiaries make a bid for freedom and reform together as the 'United Airlines of Great Britain'. BA pilots are welcomed into new company as junior F/Os at the bottom of the seniority list.
And they all lived happily ever after.
For example; no-one wants to fly BA to the US (or anywhere else) due to the fact that they are the one British airline that have been identified as an Al Queda target. Losses too much to contend with and BA go into receivership. All franchise partners and subsidiaries make a bid for freedom and reform together as the 'United Airlines of Great Britain'. BA pilots are welcomed into new company as junior F/Os at the bottom of the seniority list.
And they all lived happily ever after.
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BA Restructuring Plans
Norman Stanley Fletcher writes
"BA CC cannot arbitarily announce to GB, BMED or anyone else how things will be"
They have done exactly that with the employment protection agreement . The BA pilots fears of BA pilot jobs and commands being lost to GB crews, have for the moment been satisfied . (Algeria). As it stands there will be little or no growth at GB compared to the past , what is the position on the airframe options they have ?
Very little growth at GB equates to very few new commands . The only seniority list a GB pilot should be worried about is the bottom of the GB one , and what is going to happen when the Franchise is to be renegotiated (GSS?).
I suggest you get your CC working with the BA CC , otherwise you will become further and further marginalised .
"BA CC cannot arbitarily announce to GB, BMED or anyone else how things will be"
They have done exactly that with the employment protection agreement . The BA pilots fears of BA pilot jobs and commands being lost to GB crews, have for the moment been satisfied . (Algeria). As it stands there will be little or no growth at GB compared to the past , what is the position on the airframe options they have ?
Very little growth at GB equates to very few new commands . The only seniority list a GB pilot should be worried about is the bottom of the GB one , and what is going to happen when the Franchise is to be renegotiated (GSS?).
I suggest you get your CC working with the BA CC , otherwise you will become further and further marginalised .
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MAGIC2,
"employment protection agreement".
Could you expand on this a little more for those of us who are in ignorance?
maxy101,
All I am trying to suggest is that there is a lot of bitterness and animosity from pilots outside of BA mainline who have seen the BACC dictate their futures for the benefit of BA pilots. I think the disgruntlement stems from the amount of power that the BACC are allowed to weald.
And no it has nothing to do with 'having an inferiority complex'.
"employment protection agreement".
Could you expand on this a little more for those of us who are in ignorance?
maxy101,
All I am trying to suggest is that there is a lot of bitterness and animosity from pilots outside of BA mainline who have seen the BACC dictate their futures for the benefit of BA pilots. I think the disgruntlement stems from the amount of power that the BACC are allowed to weald.
And no it has nothing to do with 'having an inferiority complex'.
Manflex; "For example; no-one wants to fly BA to the US (or anywhere else) due to the fact that they are the one British airline that have been identified as an Al Queda target."
That will be why I can't get a staff ticket to the 'States then!
That will be why I can't get a staff ticket to the 'States then!