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Old 29th Nov 2003, 22:56
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747 Crash @ Lagos

Africa claims another victim. The crew are all fine, but the aircraft is totalled.
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Old 30th Nov 2003, 00:37
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When? Which airline? No info on CNN.com...
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Old 30th Nov 2003, 01:01
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Can you be a bit more specific? Not a good subject to be vague about.
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Old 30th Nov 2003, 01:10
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Checked Reuters, BBC Online and Google. Nothing....
WIHIH??
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I got this on Airliners.net:

Hydro Air Cargo B742F ZS-OOS crashed in Nigeria (Lagos) yesterday after apparently being cleared by ATC to land on an unserviceable runway.

The gear apparently struck an object on the runway and was ripped off. This caused the one side to drop resulting in the fuselage rolling over and ripping off either one or both wings.

The condition of the crew is unknown, and all that is confirmed is that the aircraft is written off. All info is still very hazy and nothing will be confirmed until the accident investigators have completed their inspection of the aircraft.

(For additional info, the aircraft was formerly 4X-AXD of EL AL, delivered as a 747-258 Combi).

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I suppose the reason it wasn't on CNN etc. was that there were no fatalities?
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Old 30th Nov 2003, 01:41
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From what i hear, safety at Lagos is at a ridiculous level.
Both airfield and ATC have gotten some ( a lot ) of flack earlier.
Was it only a matter of time?
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Old 30th Nov 2003, 02:01
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Can this be moved to the Africa Forum please ..its running there as well.
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Old 30th Nov 2003, 02:45
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http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=110516

hobie ..........
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Hydro ! were they flying to BRU ?
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Sounds bad! I hope everyones OK and that there is an in depth investigation! Was it in daylight or darkness. If the runway was not serviceable shouldn't the plane have diverted?

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Old 30th Nov 2003, 16:39
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Yes, Hydro Air were regulars into BRU and OST. Nigeria or not, I don't believe ATC would knowingly clear an a/c to land on an unserviceable runway. I imagine there's a bit more to this than we know at present.
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Operated out of LOS earlier last week. Just before taxy were informed by another a/c taxying ahead of us that a landing a/c had reported a large pothole on the RHS of R/W 19R. Not a word from ATC. Both ourselves and other a/c decided take off on 19L would be the sensible option. Uneventful departures. Informed inbound Virgin of problem at LOS and presumably no problems there. Last we heard LOS supposed to be repairing R/W. Interesting place to operate in/out of!!!
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Old 30th Nov 2003, 22:47
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Nothing wrong with ATC in lagos. Except they cant speak english to well chalk this one up to the french.
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Nice one BT.

That only took a week this time.
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Old 1st Dec 2003, 01:09
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Nigeria or not, I don't believe ATC would knowingly clear an a/c to land on an unserviceable runway.
Ever worked in Africa Avman?
Thought not.
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Wow guys, you do have double standards about second-guessing the reason for an aircraft accident before the facts are known. Why are you not speculating that it was a cock-up by a cowboy crew flying for a cowboy operator?
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Double standards? Not at all. What about yourself? I'm simply reacting to your statement that ATC couldn't be at fault, now you go blaming the crew.

Who knows the cause?

What I do know is that I've seen ATC in Lagos create more than one crash...with my very own eyes.

For instance, the Learjet with an engine out making an ILS on 19L. When he was 2 miles out ATC gave a Nigeria Airways B737 clearance to line up!
Which he duly did!!

The Learjet tried to go around, lost it, and pranged into the bush between the runways. Everyone got killed!

Lagos ATC wouldn't land you on a closed runway?
Don't ever bet your life on it.
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Saw it with my own eyes at 0941Z 29 Nov on T/O from 19L (19R NOTAMed unavailable 1800-0600L), still gave us 19L for departure, soon saw why. B747 off 19R to east side, fully on the grass between runway and taxyway. Wings still attached, difficult to assess damage, looked likely to be few if any injuries.

19R had been unavailable for our landing at 0445Z 28 Nov, and had been for the previous day's rotation, so we were forewarned (despite lack of NOTAM at that stage). Don't know time of accident. Not a word about it from ATC.
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It's in the notams as having a very poor runway surface.
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Old 1st Dec 2003, 05:47
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Shades of many years ago, except at Kano then.
Sinkhole on the runway...B707 found same.

Bad scene all 'round.

Not much changes in Nigeria...except the faces of the 'officials' in charge...
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