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I think nofrills has provided a very accurate description of life at easyjet, at least as far as Luton is concerned.
Leaving aside everything else the rostering really is unacceptable, at Ltn you would be hard pressed to find many line Captains saying otherwise.
For example, this week, (after multiple changes) I have ended up with the usual three early starts ie up between 0330 and 0530am, all medium range Spanish/French 2 or 3 sectors, followed by three lates, all four sector 11+ hour days (7.5 - 8 hours flying).
The reality is that most people can only sustain that type of work pattern for so long and many of the pilots at Luton are becoming fatigued! (The duties are all legal individually of course, but I reckon there's a case for arguing that over time a (changing)pattern that is fatiguing can not reasonably be considered legal).
I joined initially on the same course as Col.Klink and was very happy to do so, as I was gagging for a command, I don't regret my decision BUT I too would urge you to carefully consider your situation before moving. Like girlfriends the lust will wear off and the day to day reality will settle in!
ManFlex
Enjoy, you have obviously found your level.
Dicksynormous
As one myself I accept your criticism of self abusers to some degree but I'd just ask: What is the background of most of the pilot managers who have and are perpetuating the slide of this profession?
Anyway I've jumped out of the frying pan into the murky waters. Can any new venture be worse? Not according to my wife!
Leaving aside everything else the rostering really is unacceptable, at Ltn you would be hard pressed to find many line Captains saying otherwise.
For example, this week, (after multiple changes) I have ended up with the usual three early starts ie up between 0330 and 0530am, all medium range Spanish/French 2 or 3 sectors, followed by three lates, all four sector 11+ hour days (7.5 - 8 hours flying).
The reality is that most people can only sustain that type of work pattern for so long and many of the pilots at Luton are becoming fatigued! (The duties are all legal individually of course, but I reckon there's a case for arguing that over time a (changing)pattern that is fatiguing can not reasonably be considered legal).
I joined initially on the same course as Col.Klink and was very happy to do so, as I was gagging for a command, I don't regret my decision BUT I too would urge you to carefully consider your situation before moving. Like girlfriends the lust will wear off and the day to day reality will settle in!
ManFlex
Enjoy, you have obviously found your level.
Dicksynormous
As one myself I accept your criticism of self abusers to some degree but I'd just ask: What is the background of most of the pilot managers who have and are perpetuating the slide of this profession?
Anyway I've jumped out of the frying pan into the murky waters. Can any new venture be worse? Not according to my wife!
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Not flown with a single FO at BA who has ever mentioned joining Easyjet. However it would be a good thing for the pay and salary structure for all of us if guys (and girls) did start to move to different companies for early commands and better pay etc. The seniority issue in the airline world destroys the free movement of labour and artificialy keeps down all our T & C's. If Easy are desperately short of pilots then that must be good news for the flight crew in that company, supply and demand and all that.
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Likewise, I don't know many people in my company that are very interested (at the moment) in Easyjet. It needs a lot of sorting out in respect of rostering and quality of life before many people will be tempted.
I believe Easyjet may have problems manning their fleets and will probably need to up their salaries and sort out their (mis) management of their crews before tempting people from other airlines.
I wouldn't even contemplate Easyjet if I was in BA.
I believe Easyjet may have problems manning their fleets and will probably need to up their salaries and sort out their (mis) management of their crews before tempting people from other airlines.
I wouldn't even contemplate Easyjet if I was in BA.
I have just seen a colleagues roster. Next month it consists of 3 lots of 7 on 2 off. Including one week of over 63 hrs duty and 25 sectors. On that roster he only gets 7 days off over a 34 day stretch. The worrying thing is that it's all legal, and shows the total disregard for the supposed rostering protocol we have.
That is the state of easyjet rostering.
That is the state of easyjet rostering.
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I know someone very well who applied to easyJet months ago. He has over 4000 hours, previous command time plus a lot of Airbus time, and has not heard a thing. There is no doubt some method to their recruitment but it can be frustrating for those that are waiting.
Slightly surprisingly, I hear that quite a lot of the curent crop of entrants to easyJet are from turboprop backgrounds. There is nothing wrong with that per se, but when there are Airbus type-rated people applying to easyJet whose only communication from easyJet is an e-mail asking them if they are Airbus-rated then something is not quite going to plan! It seems that their database system has broken down in some way and they are not able to process whether their applicants have the necessary experience they are looking for or not.
I know someone very well who applied to easyJet months ago. He has over 4000 hours, previous command time plus a lot of Airbus time, and has not heard a thing. There is no doubt some method to their recruitment but it can be frustrating for those that are waiting.
Slightly surprisingly, I hear that quite a lot of the curent crop of entrants to easyJet are from turboprop backgrounds. There is nothing wrong with that per se, but when there are Airbus type-rated people applying to easyJet whose only communication from easyJet is an e-mail asking them if they are Airbus-rated then something is not quite going to plan! It seems that their database system has broken down in some way and they are not able to process whether their applicants have the necessary experience they are looking for or not.
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NSF, Freddie:
I also know someone who applied on line one Sunday evening a couple of weeks ago. He got a phone call on the Tuesday afternoon inviting to an assessment. This was his first ever communication with easyJet, apparently. He has approx 6k hours with 3k on type (bus)
I also know someone who applied on line one Sunday evening a couple of weeks ago. He got a phone call on the Tuesday afternoon inviting to an assessment. This was his first ever communication with easyJet, apparently. He has approx 6k hours with 3k on type (bus)
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With regard to rostering, our CMS is totally jacked, anything is better than what we got, Easyjet included. A lot of guys are ticked off to the max but it's all 'legal' of course. Consider a combination like TLV which gets in around 11 or so in the morning. By the time you get home, and play with the kiddies and/or the wife it's 3 or 4pm and time to get some shut eye. Get up at 9pm and hurry back to bed because you've got a 5 am start for an AMS. Lovely, and we can't do anything about it, the company jerks us, got no contract, no money, a politically appointed prez. who's been in for about a month and hasn't had time to do anything. Flying old s-boxes with up to 5 mels this summer because the previous commie prez. refused to upgrade the fleet because "it's a risk", yields are down and on time performance in the gutter.
Gotta say, that Easyjet looks mighty attractive from this side of the fence. Over 200 qualified FO/s and Cappys on the 737 with a high chance of throwing in the towel and moving to orange-ier pastures.
Gotta say, that Easyjet looks mighty attractive from this side of the fence. Over 200 qualified FO/s and Cappys on the 737 with a high chance of throwing in the towel and moving to orange-ier pastures.
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Below is TODAY's easyjet email:
Funny thing is, they've had my details for over a year.
I meet ALL of EVERYTHING, but somehow they have not "found a way" to ask me to come for a chat.
The system must be really creaking to a halt in recruitment, but I don't care, I've got a good job, I just let them send stuff and I have a laugh at their complete and utter inefficiency/incompetence!
To$$ers.
............................................................ ..........................................
* Are you a Direct Entry Captain immediately available or at short notice (4 weeks or less)?
* Are you currently rated (with command experience) on a jet over 45 tonnes?
* Do you have 3,000 factorised hours TT and at least 500 factorised hours in command on jets over 45 tonnes?
If you have answered yes to ALL of the above questions then we could offer you an immediate assessment and start date if successful.
If you are interested, please email you name, current aircraft type and total hours ONLY to [email protected]
Please be advised that we cannot respond to any email received that doesn't fit ALL of the above criteria. I you do not meet these requirements but have recently submitted an application, don't worry, we hope to be able to contact you soon!
We look forward to hearing from you!
The Flight Operations Recruitment Team
Funny thing is, they've had my details for over a year.
I meet ALL of EVERYTHING, but somehow they have not "found a way" to ask me to come for a chat.
The system must be really creaking to a halt in recruitment, but I don't care, I've got a good job, I just let them send stuff and I have a laugh at their complete and utter inefficiency/incompetence!
To$$ers.
............................................................ ..........................................
* Are you a Direct Entry Captain immediately available or at short notice (4 weeks or less)?
* Are you currently rated (with command experience) on a jet over 45 tonnes?
* Do you have 3,000 factorised hours TT and at least 500 factorised hours in command on jets over 45 tonnes?
If you have answered yes to ALL of the above questions then we could offer you an immediate assessment and start date if successful.
If you are interested, please email you name, current aircraft type and total hours ONLY to [email protected]
Please be advised that we cannot respond to any email received that doesn't fit ALL of the above criteria. I you do not meet these requirements but have recently submitted an application, don't worry, we hope to be able to contact you soon!
We look forward to hearing from you!
The Flight Operations Recruitment Team
Mentaleena, you have your answer. Why not e-mail [email protected] direct to answer the question why you havn't had a reply???
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Mentaleena
I think with a post like that it is you who is the to$$er!
You prob we not contacted a year ago because a year ago the need to recruit a large number of various experience levels, particuarly for the bus, was not there.
If you have (and you obvioulsy do) such contempt for the boys in orange then why did you apply in the first place??
I think with a post like that it is you who is the to$$er!
You prob we not contacted a year ago because a year ago the need to recruit a large number of various experience levels, particuarly for the bus, was not there.
If you have (and you obvioulsy do) such contempt for the boys in orange then why did you apply in the first place??
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krisscross
Because I am not interested in a conversation with easyjet, since I don't need their job. This is a thread about easyjet commands and my remarks were about their inefficiency to sift through their own database, at the time when they are sending out emails to those that have already applied, which is where they got my email address from in the first place.
Wodka
When I applied over a year ago, I had no contempt for anyone. It's after they have failed to acknowledge my application properly AND I was/am suitable for their requirements I started to feel that they are inefficient at the very least.
Contempt came after a couple of my mates have handed their resignations in at ej quite recently and furnished me with adequate quantities of inside information - enough shall we say - for me to steer clear of the orange camp.
Because I am not interested in a conversation with easyjet, since I don't need their job. This is a thread about easyjet commands and my remarks were about their inefficiency to sift through their own database, at the time when they are sending out emails to those that have already applied, which is where they got my email address from in the first place.
Wodka
When I applied over a year ago, I had no contempt for anyone. It's after they have failed to acknowledge my application properly AND I was/am suitable for their requirements I started to feel that they are inefficient at the very least.
Contempt came after a couple of my mates have handed their resignations in at ej quite recently and furnished me with adequate quantities of inside information - enough shall we say - for me to steer clear of the orange camp.
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The recent recruitment of a dedicated pilot recruit mgr will mean that the whole process is managed more effectively from now on.
The spate of people receiving e-mails, invites to workshops etc after hearing nothing for ages is more likely down to having a dedicated guy sit there and run the process effectively - remember he has only been in post for two months.
Worth bearing in mind also that EZY is still 'bedding down' from the GO takeover whilst continuing to grow and implement a new type! ie: problems/c0ck ups are going to occur - happens in any business
Mentaleena - appreciate your mate's giving you there views but that is just one opinion - you may find the Company suited to your taste despite what you hear?
The spate of people receiving e-mails, invites to workshops etc after hearing nothing for ages is more likely down to having a dedicated guy sit there and run the process effectively - remember he has only been in post for two months.
Worth bearing in mind also that EZY is still 'bedding down' from the GO takeover whilst continuing to grow and implement a new type! ie: problems/c0ck ups are going to occur - happens in any business
Mentaleena - appreciate your mate's giving you there views but that is just one opinion - you may find the Company suited to your taste despite what you hear?
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Wodka
These 2 people are TREs. I have worked with them in the past and I can easily say that they have saved me the hassle of joining and finding out for myself.
Thanks, but no thanks.
These 2 people are TREs. I have worked with them in the past and I can easily say that they have saved me the hassle of joining and finding out for myself.
Thanks, but no thanks.
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Sorry to cut in fella's. I applied to Easy a while back and heard nothing. I have 3000 hours (all turbo) and the proper qualifications etc. Am I wrong or am I caught in no mans land between CTC and type rated Boeing/Bus drivers. CTC said i have too much time for them. Any thoughts?
Play nice people!! Lots of room in the sand box.
Play nice people!! Lots of room in the sand box.
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Canadiankid
Looks that way
You either have a rating on the 73 or the bus with 500 hrs on type or you join through the TRSS scheme. Limited direct entry is avail but in reality its TRSS or bust!
Mentaleena
Fair enough - think I know who you are talking about now!
Looks that way
You either have a rating on the 73 or the bus with 500 hrs on type or you join through the TRSS scheme. Limited direct entry is avail but in reality its TRSS or bust!
Mentaleena
Fair enough - think I know who you are talking about now!
