Although we won't the result of Grumpy Old Cynics Vs Positive Young Idealists until around the year 2030, so maybe we should all ignore HH and come back then.

As someone middle-aged, I feel like I am being discriminated against. Too young to be grumpy, too old to be an idealist.
Does that make me a grumpy idealist? :}

I consider myself to be ambitious, so I self declared as old enough to be grumpy. Does that count?

"Well seasoned" strikes me as a good descriptive.

Calmed down too much
 

Blimey, it must be a Friday thing or there's some cheap ganja floating about. You'll all be kissing each other soon parading pride flags!

Clearly you live somewhere it isn’t legal, or where you can’t grow your own, for personal use, of course.

Perhaps the grumpy ones aren’t actually that grumpy:)

I'm just glad the luxury door handles and the landing lights have been sorted out

I don't go to auto shows.

And if I did go to one I would see "upcoming models" from the major OEM's.

I did own a Toyota once. Great car, backed up with reliability and service from a corporation with a service network etc.

If only I had bought that DeLorean....

Please not to bring up the issue of Pilot Doors on helicopters.....that shall take this discussion off into the wilds of advocacy to nail design engineers to large wooden things.

Bell never did get one right.

MBB came very close.

Sikorsky had it figured out then went to the 76 which was a huge step backwards.

Boeing-Vertol solved the puzzle by making a door that was only opened by accident or during one.

Let's see how Hill solves this issue.

​​​​​​​Au contraire, Sassy, The doors on the 76 had the satisfying "chunk" sound of a Lincoln Continental, and the door key (I heard) was from a Chevrolet.

The locksmith in West Palm Beach who cut some spare keys from the S-76 ones I took to him told me they were 1970s USA model Ford blanks. Cost me a dollar each.

Come on SAS, Hughes had it right, the only totally over engineered door with a built in ventilation system

Which one of GOM members is going to watch new presentation?

Never volunteer for anything........:)

I'm actually really interested, but I will have to leave 45 minutes after it starts, so.......

Are you referring to the event at Duxford in Dec? I was going to go, but I very much doubt it will be a working prototype, so I won't bother.

No, Thursday's online presentation where we can see latest developments.
Speaking of, is it me or regular "oh, you're just a bunch of naysayers" is a bit quiet?
Or maybe they are waiting for the us unwashed to see what they allegedly have already seen and then we can discuss?

I think the "gumpy old naysayers" are just tired of pointing out the same things and are just waiting to see if the factory gets permission, the engine runs, the prototype flies, and production starts properly.

I was pointing to the other side, the one that called us the grumpy old naysayers.
According to them, they were supposed to see new development, reserved for buyers only.