We're obviously all misinformed because we miss the 2-weekly group masturbatathons.
I am positive the additional 22 types of ball bearings are the bestest ball bearings ever to bear balls. With the super door handles, revolutionary packaged rotor system, and made better and cheaper with maritime and other consumer techniques, all unproven in aviation applications, or even commercial production at any meaningful scale.
But that is just a lack of vision talking > insert random Elon Musk comparison here <.
The proof of the pudding isn't in making something that survives a ground run or hover test, but that it lasts long enough to deliver on the many promises and proposed shelf life, ideally leaving the cool aid drinker in one, uncharred piece in the process.

I would say there is a lot of water to flow under the bridge, but there is neither a bridge nor water, so I shall get back to baking my pie (traditional apple seems best).

Who said anything about running demo?

Rumour has it he has hired these guys to get it flying in time
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....27464a73c5.png

Revolutionary Rotor System
 

I'm sure Mr Hugues must be very happy to learn from where he flies that in the 21st century his rotor system is still recognized as revolutionary!
The system shown in the caption above is nothing else than the Hugues design...may be fitted with special bearings somewhere around..!

what's a non-running demo?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d8aa3a3304.jpg
Fell off the fence. Massive 3D Printer and smoke screen. It's a pipe dream at best.

Build your own Turboshaft
Build your own Hydraulics
Build your own Electrics
Etc etc etc...

Drill down between all the weak points.

I respect Hill for having a dream but that's all it is. Maybe in 100 years when Tech can print out full components and spares.

​​​​​​I will eat my old underpants and humble pie if Hill deposit holders get anything before 2030.

It's a pipe dream and at best you are just funding research.

Not a bad thing, but research is in the wrong country. Planning permission, environmental factors, blah blah.

It will be delay, delay, delay..

If anyone can tell me the last successful aerospace company that started from scratch in UK.?

Cheers,
Sal


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Ball Bearings?

Coat, jacket,

Funding research and no doubt a comfy lifestyle!

ala DeLorean

[email protected] Composite used to be based here in NZ with Peter Maloney running it. Yes they had an accident in Auckland Harbour but carried on for a while after that. Then some company called Innova Aerospace from US bought them and moved it all to the US back in 2015. Then it just dissapeared.

Since then nothing. They put over 250 hours on their aircraft before being bought by Innova.

Their website URL is up for sale.

A non-running demo is precisely what car manufacturers use for demoing early pre-production cars. They have journalists, or the public at auto shows, sit in what appears to be a working car, possibly play with the infotainment system and some other things, check out the interior, do a walk around of the exterior, etc., but there's no engine or other necessary components. It's weird for you guys to pretend like it's some alien concept. Obviously we're all waiting impatiently for them to develop a working engine, hopefully followed by a flying prototype, but this is just one milestone.

Car manufacturers use the word "concept" not demo, nor prototype. There is no commitment it will ever drive, or if it will, that it is the following year.
It is this weak whataboutism that Hill uses to drift in and out of sales mode to secure more deposits.
No car manufacturer is showing you possible future product, and at the same time getting you to pay a deposit on one.
Nice try though.

I'm not talking about concepts. A pre-production model is not a concept. I have sat in plenty of non-working demos for actual real cars that went on sale soon after. They were not concepts. This has been around for many decades.

If it's not working then it is not a demo. You can call however you want, but demo is not it.

It is when the pre-production model has not turned a wheel (or rotor) - when the pre-production model has a working engine, gearboxes, rotor system, hydraulics etc, etc etc and just needs to start the production process with everything finalised - then it is not a concept - otherwise it's just more HX50 porn clickbait.

Name one please.

Were any of the "cars" from a a start up?

Again refer to the DeLorean.

KiwiNedNZ - looks like Innova Aerospace stopped trading in 2018.

All true - I focused more on this bit:

how do HH know that aircraft won't vibrate enough over time to crack the carbon fibre shell, or break the engine /gearbox mounting points? is it really possible to model this kind of thing to anyegree of certainty before hand?