Originally Posted by Livesinafield
(Post 10294867)
Thanks for the info chaps, so I assume this is an event you practice in your yearly Sims? Like we do with V1 cuts...but as you say you know what's coming and you know exactly how it will behave...different game in the real world
I don‘t understand how either a vertical profile or take-off from a heliport have any bearing here. Anti-torque failure just after TDP from a heliport in a congested environment at night. Seriously, what are you chances? Condolences to family, friends and colleagues. What a terrible accident. |
GBB...I don't think members of the helicopter community should be suggesting " helicopters are inherently dangerous" or that you "can't recover from a tail rotor failure".Ive been flying helicopters for over 40 years, practised autorotation after a tail rotor failure 100s of times and never been involved in an accident. We should all be talking about how safe helicopters are these days ,not talking them down. |
Torquetorque. I think the line of inquiry this rumour network is currently going down, and I stress RUMOUR\CONJECTURE is that the tail rotor failed due to it hitting something, either ac backing up and clipping something or for whatever reason a decent post TDP and again tail rotor strike. Pure tail rotor drive failure would be very rare and unlucky- but not impossible. |
Originally Posted by dingo9
(Post 10294909)
Torquetorque. I think the line of inquiry this rumour network is currently going down, and I stress RUMOUR\CONJECTURE is that the tail rotor failed due to it hitting something, either ac backing up and clipping something or for whatever reason a decent post TDP and again tail rotor strike. Pure tail rotor drive failure would be very rare and unlucky- but not impossible. |
It looks taking off from a bottom of a bucket IT IS NOT normal operations |
For those that think a recovery from TR failure in such a situation where you are low (<400ft), climbing vertical or backup t/o profile using lots of power is as simple as entering autorotation and guiding the a/c to a landing site then I challenge you to have a go in a realistic sim. Not at 1000ft doing 60 kts in the day. Make it 200ft with 100% torque at night and for realism throw in a 3 second delay. Let me know how you get on.
These types of operations are normal, of course they are. Helicopters fly these profiles in challenging conditions every day so please don't think this was an abnormal operation. If you are referring to the poorly powered heavy twin 206 that ran out power then it's not the same as a complete TR failure which is a POSSIBLE consideration here. |
These crews have been picking up the owner from that same place week after week after week for many years so actually it IS normal operations for them, |
Originally Posted by chopjock
(Post 10294972)
I wonder if that was a contributing factor. The wind usually comes from the same place week after week after week. Except this time it didn't.
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Sliding door
Originally Posted by skadi
(Post 10294658)
It looks like one of the rear sliding doors...
skadi |
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10294983)
But also bear in mind that they had very recently landed.
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10294983)
But also bear in mind that they had very recently landed.
Yes and were seen still facing into wind before lifting. Why on earth do a 180 turn to depart downwind? |
Just to let anyone know that doesn't realise, the video isn't from last night, you can see the Champions League hoardings in the background. And the 'final moments' video is also not from last night.
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Originally Posted by chopjock
(Post 10294992)
Yes and were seen still facing into wind before lifting. Why on earth do a 180 turn to depart downwind?
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In one of the pictures of the wreck, correct me if I am wrong, but I think one of the tail rotor blades can be seen and it is in one piece and not bent. From this one could assume no collision with a fixed object and not under power when it hit the ground.
So may be a failure in the transmission. Did anybody else notice this? |
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10295019)
I really can't provide an answer to that. Perhaps the wind velocity wasn't seen as the over-riding factor. It's not totally out of the ordinary to have to depart downwind because that's the only way out of a landing site. For private ops, "Cat A" isn't a mandatory requirement, although it is preferable, for obvious reasons.
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police name all on board
Sky news have published the police statement at 22.09.
May they all RIP. https://news.sky.com/story/live-leic...crash-11538203 |
Originally Posted by TheiC
(Post 10295025)
It’s not anywhere I can find on their website. Don’t prolong the agony, post a link. Sadly, my own fears have already been confirmed outwith this forum. The five people were on board the helicopter when the incident happened. While formal identification has not yet taken place, they are believed to be Leicester City Football Club chairman Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha, two members of his staff, Nursara Suknamai and Kaveporn Punpare, pilot Eric Swaffer and passenger Izabela Roza Lechowicz. |
Originally Posted by horizon flyer
(Post 10295023)
In one of the pictures of the wreck, correct me if I am wrong, but I think one of the tail rotor blades can be seen and it is in one piece and not bent. From this one could assume no collision with a fixed object and not under power when it hit the ground.
So may be a failure in the transmission. Did anybody else notice this? |
It is there.....just read the latest update that lists the names.
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Originally Posted by OvertHawk
(Post 10295026)
It is invariably a requirement of a Rule 5 Congested area permission though, Shy, regardless of whether or not you're private.
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