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-   -   Helicopter down outside Leicester City Football Club (https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/614822-helicopter-down-outside-leicester-city-football-club.html)

gulliBell 28th Oct 2018 01:47
Reports on Twitter that the owner Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha was on board the accident helicopter.

Super VC-10 28th Oct 2018 06:02
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_L...licopter_crash

NumptyAussie 28th Oct 2018 06:03
A sad day for all
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-46006470

c53204 28th Oct 2018 07:03
Originally Posted by KNIEVEL77 (Post 10294135)
Sky news reporting the helicopter can hold 20 passengers.
BBC reported that the helicopter cost £2m new.

Dick Smith 28th Oct 2018 07:10
Incredibly sad. I own and operate a complex twin engined helicopter and when something like this happens I say -“ when will this happen to me “ or “when will I do that”.

I hope we can get an answer as to what was the cause so further similar accidents can be prevented. I also ask that only those with real facts on the matter post on this thread.

gulliBell 28th Oct 2018 07:23
Originally Posted by c53204 (Post 10294312)
BBC reported that the helicopter cost £2m new.
They are definitely under-done on that number. More like 6m+ GBP for a new one.

gulliBell 28th Oct 2018 07:28
Originally Posted by Dick Smith (Post 10294314)
...I own and operate a complex twin engined helicopter and when something like this happens...
Eye witness accounts indicate sudden loss of TR drive...and that's about the worst place I can think of for that malfunction to happen. Yes, very sad, and very unlucky. A minute or two later with more height and more airspeed and the outcome might well have been different.

Turco 28th Oct 2018 07:47
Come on guys and girls, The most of us on this forum are professional aviators.
All the BBC reports that I've read so far on this accident have been written by reporters with absolutley no aviation experiance whatsoever.
As professionals, dont get sucked into the eye witness accounts and ficticious reporting then make poor assumptions on what has gone wrong here.
The AW 169 is a sophisticated machine, Like its 2 big brothers, A lot of things need to go wrong in a hurry to cause a catastophic failure resulting in an accident.
Leave it to the AAIB now to find the real cause so we can all learn valuable lessons.

silverelise 28th Oct 2018 08:34
The statement from Leicestershire Police says (my bold) "Enquiries to establish the exact circumstances of the collision are ongoing."
Unusual choice of word or are they suggesting the aircraft struck/was struck by something before reaching the ground?

OvertHawk 28th Oct 2018 08:41
Originally Posted by silverelise (Post 10294355)
The statement from Leicestershire Police says (my bold) "Enquiries to establish the exact circumstances of the collision are ongoing."
Unusual choice of word or are they suggesting the aircraft struck/was struck by something before reaching the ground?
"Collision" is a generic police term that they use instead of "Accident". eg - "Road traffic Collision". They use it regardless of the circumstances.

I would not therefore describe its use in this case as unusual nor would I particularly read anything into it at this point.

ETOPS 28th Oct 2018 08:46
Unusual choice of word
This is part of our new Police vocabulary in the UK. They used to refer to "Road Traffic Accidents" or RTAs but now use the term "Road Traffic Collision" RTC. This is because vehicle incidents are sometimes not "accidental" but criminal thus they are trying not to pre-label the event.
Seen this word in a number of recent light aircraft incidents.

aeroskipper 28th Oct 2018 09:14
Originally Posted by silverelise (Post 10294355)
The statement from Leicestershire Police says (my bold) "Enquiries to establish the exact circumstances of the collision are ongoing."
Unusual choice of word or are they suggesting the aircraft struck/was struck by something before reaching the ground?
..in their maybe too early lateral ascend, could they have accidentally hit one of those high/tall light-towers sitting on top of the stadium - and thereby damaged the tail-rotor?
They are most probably looking into this matter.

wiggy 28th Oct 2018 09:32
Maybe, maybe not, but as has been said at this stage in proceedings there is no value at all at reading any significance into the fact that the UK police used the word collision.

AAKEE 28th Oct 2018 09:47
Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 10294390)
Maybe, maybe not, but as has been said at this stage in proceedings there is no value at all at reading any significance into the fact that the UK police used the word collision.
Exactly. Not really the time to discuss but to minimize thread drift around what word the police used, Ground Collision is an aviation term, for example used in the term GCAS.

wiggy 28th Oct 2018 10:06
Sky News now reporting (their source in turn is Reuters), 5 total on board, including the Leicester City owner. No comment being made on fate of the same.

Navy_Adversary 28th Oct 2018 10:59
Some supporters leaving the ground last night are reporting a drone flying around the Stadium, however one report says the drone was grounded before the helicopter departed.

Simplythebeast 28th Oct 2018 11:16
Originally Posted by aeroskipper (Post 10294380)
..in their maybe too early lateral ascend, could they have accidentally hit one of those high/tall light-towers sitting on top of the stadium - and thereby damaged the tail-rotor?
They are most probably looking into this matter.
im sure ‘they’ will be looking at all possibilities and speculation is completely pointless.

Wycombe 28th Oct 2018 11:17
Some supporters leaving the ground last night are reporting a drone flying around the Stadium, however one report says the drone was grounded before the helicopter departed.
Drone for overhead TV shots? One would surely hope this is properly co-ordinated (especially if the rotary presence is regular as is being suggested) and that that is a red herring.

airsound 28th Oct 2018 11:21
Reuters reporting five on board:
LEICESTER, England (Reuters) - Leicester City soccer club owner Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha, a Thai tycoon, was among five people who were in a helicopter which crashed in a ball of flames after a Premier League match on Saturday, a source close to the club said. Also on board were one of Vichai’s two daughters, two pilots and a fifth person whose identity was not immediately known, the source said on Sunday.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-so...-idUKKCN1N204J

airsound

mickjoebill 28th Oct 2018 11:45
Originally Posted by aeroskipper (Post 10294380)
..in their maybe too early lateral ascend, could they have accidentally hit one of those high/tall light-towers sitting on top of the stadium - and thereby damaged the tail-rotor?
They are most probably looking into this matter.
The stadium lights are fixed to the roof, rather than tall towers.


Mjb


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