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meanttobe 25th Mar 2013 22:06

UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
 
UK Search And Rescue Sold Off To US Company

jemax 26th Mar 2013 00:08

Bristow SAR announcement
 
According to the BBC!

BBC News - Bristow Group 'to take over UK search and rescue'

Busy times for Bristow

jimf671 26th Mar 2013 00:44

BBC - Bristow Group 'to take over UK search and rescue'
 
BBC News - Bristow Group 'to take over UK search and rescue'

Spanish Waltzer 26th Mar 2013 02:06


Flounder
1 in the sweepstake anyone? Monday 11th March to any point in the future, take your pick...

Spanish Waltzer
26 march. Day before the politicians disappear on their expense fuelled Easter jollies. All the controversial decisions traditionally announced in this manner so the news is forgotten by the time they come back to work....

A statement due before the London stock exchange opens on Tuesday is expected to confirm the Bristow Group has won the contract from 2015 to 2026.

Gentlemen, please leave your money by the door on the way out.

'Nuff said....

SW

Lioncopter 26th Mar 2013 08:13

Well played SW....

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g...d-rescue-fleet


The bases are on the link above.

helihub 26th Mar 2013 08:26

Did anyone else spot the "creative accounting"...?

Under the new contract, 22 state of the art helicopters will operate from 10 locations around the UK.

Ten Sikorsky S92s will be based, 2 per site, at Stornoway and Sumburgh, and at new bases at Newquay, Caernarfon and Humberside airports

Ten AgustaWestland AW189s will operate, 2 per site, from Lee on Solent and a new hangar at Prestwick airport, and new bases which will be established at St Athan, Inverness and Manston airports

If there are maintenance cover aircraft involved, they have not been specifically detailed, or does 22 really mean 20 ?

snakepit 26th Mar 2013 08:31

The future of UK SAR, post SAR-H
 
A nice balanced report on sky. The usual drivel on the BBC (iPhone apps)

snakepit 26th Mar 2013 08:38

The future of UK SAR, post SAR-H
 
2 per base and a spare?! Smash your new AW mug Jim

helihub 26th Mar 2013 09:08

Yes, Bristow's release is now out and it states...


Under the terms of this contract, Bristow Helicopters will provide 11 Sikorsky S-92 and 11 AgustaWestland AW189 helicopters that will be located at ten bases across the UK. Each SAR base will operate either two S-92s or two AW189s. In addition to the ten bases with 20 aircraft, there will be two fully SAR-equipped training aircraft that can be deployed to any base as needed.

airsound 26th Mar 2013 09:19

Please excuse what may be an ignorant question - but don't CHC operate SAR on behalf of the MCA from Stornoway, Sumburgh, Portland and Lee?

airsound

4thright 26th Mar 2013 09:21

Well Done Mr Bristow. All the bases are non military airfields with Inverness the surprise for me. The contract price seems fantastic value given the original forecast price band the DfT siad they expected for a full service (Lot 3). No wonder they won! I remember the SAR-H price for CHC was well over 6Bn for twice as long. The DfT and the Governemnt must be well chuffed at this improvement. So its St Athan not Cardiff for me then - I hope!:rolleyes:

helihub 26th Mar 2013 09:27

airsound - At present, yes, but not for long. There is an interim period (referred to as "GAP SAR") where Bristow will run the Stornoway and Sumburgh bases with S92s, and CHC will continue the AW139 bases at Lee and Portland. Bristow are already in training mode for GAP SAR with two SAR S92s at Inverness (that now figures....) practicing and two more S92s to follow very soon. Then this new announcement is that Bristow takes over the whole thing, which will also take out all the RAF and RN Sea Kings with it. Long story, read the thread if you need more details. :ok:

212man 26th Mar 2013 09:30


Please excuse what may be an ignorant question - but don't CHC operate SAR on behalf of the MCA from Stornoway, Sumburgh, Portland and Lee?
Yes they do! I suggest you read the whole thread and search for the SAR-H thread to get the bigger picture.

212man 26th Mar 2013 09:35

Manston - so it's gone full circle! Bristow started the first civillian SAR operation there with S55s in 1971!

jimf671 26th Mar 2013 09:40


2 per base and a spare?! Smash your new AW mug Jim
No compassion Snake. I am having my last cup of hot strong dark Ethiopian from it now.

You'll be wanting me to post photos next.

jimf671 26th Mar 2013 09:41


If there are maintenance cover aircraft involved, they have not been specifically detailed, or does 22 really mean 20 ?
Sounds very familiar. Was anyone at the DfT project team ever in an RCT General Transport Troop?

Thomas coupling 26th Mar 2013 09:59

No surprises there then.

Now, all that's left is the Falklands:ugh:


PS: The RN won't stop SAR, unlike the RAF. For the RN it has alweays been a secondary duty and it will continue to maintain that role. All suitably equipped squadrons will offer SAR....business as usual. 771NAS will still offer a menu of maritime activities. :D

Flap 5 26th Mar 2013 10:02


Originally Posted by snakepit (Post 7761101)
A nice balanced report on sky. The usual drivel on the BBC (iPhone apps)

This morning on the Radio 4 'Today' programme they really didn't have a clue. I flew SAR ops with Bristows out of Sumburgh back in the early 80's. They were asking questions about whether Bristows had any experience at all. The 'expert' being asked didn't have much idea either. :rolleyes:

airsound 26th Mar 2013 10:07

helihub and 212 - many thanks. I fear I broke my own rule and didn't read far enough back in the thread - apologies.

Flap 5 - agreed. I'm pursuing the Beeb on the subject.

airsound

fisbangwollop 26th Mar 2013 10:11

Good to see they will be staying ar Prestwick and not moving to Glasgow as was first thought!
BBC News - Bristow Group to take over UK search and rescue from RAF

snakepit 26th Mar 2013 10:27

The future of UK SAR, post SAR-H
 
Jim, it was meant to be sent with a ;-) as its good news all round

jimf671 26th Mar 2013 10:35


... pursuing the Beeb on the subject.
A few minutes after the BBC posted the 'US-based company' story at 2334h last night they were sent a quick potted history of Bristow rescue 1950 to date.

renfrew 26th Mar 2013 10:38

Is cover for the east coast a bit thin?

industry insider 26th Mar 2013 10:44

A good win for Bristow. Heads rolled when they lost it to CHC. I must admit that I thought that there would be a Bond in the mix somewhere. They don't appear to be (I might be wrong) quite as successful as they used to be prior to being managed as a cog in the Avincis wheel??

OafOrfUxAche 26th Mar 2013 10:50

But what about the 360 radar? No mention of lasers either...:confused:

jimf671 26th Mar 2013 11:04


Is cover for the east coast a bit thin?
Inverness is a fantastic outcome for MR. However, I think you're right. With my sea boots on it doesn't seem right. I shall be surprised if Inverness survives to 2023.

pr00ne 26th Mar 2013 11:11

Thomas coupling,

"771NAS will still offer a menu of maritime activities."

Really? What with? ALL UK service sea Kings are being canned by 2016.

PANews 26th Mar 2013 11:19

One thing that seems unclear about all this is just how out of the picture the military will be.

OK the Sea Kings are going but the RAF and Navy are not actually shutting up shop are they? They still fly the Merlin, Puma and Lynx for a start.


There will be lmited resources out there quite capable of stepping in to undertake a periphery role in SAR and there may still be a need for the military to have a need for rescuing their own pilots outside of UK airspace and SAR UK grew from their need to train up to do that operational role.....

jimf671 26th Mar 2013 11:45


"771NAS will still offer a menu of maritime activities." Really? What with? ALL UK service sea Kings are being canned by 2016.

Unless you have spotted an order for escort destoyers that the rest of us have missed, then yes, every Merlin has a winch and, as we have been told 345,750,044,581 times on pprune, pusser's pirates will always equip and train for SAR.

roundwego 26th Mar 2013 11:53

Have just seen a BBC news interview with Robert Fox who is the defence correspondent for the London Evening News. What an idiot. He is obviously being fed sh*t from the military. He was going on about how this is highly dangerous because the quality of training is going to plummet and that Bristow has had "issues" with the level of service in the oil and gas sector. He was actually comparing Bristow with G4s security at the Olympics !!!

He totally ignored the fact that Bristow has been doing SAR for coming on 50 years and has the longest pedigree as a worldwide helicopter operator in the world.

He was also going on about the number of medals that military crews get for "daring rescues" totally ignoring awards that civilian SAR members have had over the years.

I will stop now otherwise my rant would go on for at least three more pages:mad:

212man 26th Mar 2013 12:12


He was also going on about the number of medals that military crews get for "daring rescues" totally ignoring awards that civilian SAR members have had over the years
Indeed. The recent GM going to last year's recipient of the Billy Deakin award!

Pity there is so much emphasis on Bristow being American - I'm sure AB is turning in his grave!

SASless 26th Mar 2013 13:17

Gee....Crab will be wearing Ashes and rending his clothes over this!

We must get him counseling help to get him through this horrible crisis.

Anyone care to join in a Whip Round to fund the Professional help for him?

Proman 26th Mar 2013 13:38

Great training continues...
 
Bizarre, the comments about military training.

FBH - who are Bristow - already/currently train military SAR pilots and crew in the UK...the training will not change at all. And it will remain exemplary.

SASless 26th Mar 2013 14:21


Pity there is so much emphasis on Bristow being American - I'm sure AB is turning in his grave!
There is a bit of spinning going on above ground due to that change of ownership too....especially when some folks are reminded of that!:E

Thomas coupling 26th Mar 2013 14:45

A great result all round really.
One of the best helicopter operators in the western world utilising one of the best choices of helicopter.:ouch:
Bit of a hike if you want to visit the training centre though in Northern Scotland! What's the deal with Bristow's and Jim671 then? Did you rent out your garden to bulid the TRTO?
Brilliant news for Yeovil. The government and dare I say.....in the long run....the public.

jimf671 26th Mar 2013 16:20


Did you rent out your garden to bulid the TRTO?
I'll ring ST and make sure he has read your suggestion TC.

Can't stop. Working on my CV. :-)

jimf671 26th Mar 2013 17:53


Have just seen a BBC news interview with Robert Fox who is the defence correspondent for the London Evening News.
Howard Wheeldon has been on BBC Online and presumably radio. Dreadful. I think he first heard of this contract over breakfast this morning so then he went on the BBC and pretty much slagged off Bristow because nobody in the defence club had got the contract. If by some irrational miracle, Lockheed or Elbit had got it, presumably overpaid defence 4r53l1ckers would be all over the airwaves telling us how wonderful privatised SAR was going to be.

ericferret 26th Mar 2013 18:49

Looked up Wheeldon. From his bio I dont think he's been near a live aircraft in his life.
How on earth the bbc can use an "expert" like this defeats me.

ericferret 26th Mar 2013 19:26

See the BBC is changing it's tune.

Bristow is now an "Aberdeen based company"

jimf671 26th Mar 2013 19:48


How on earth the bbc can use an "expert" like this defeats me.
They'll have chosen a Jim Ferguson replacement on the basis that this one has had a haircut. :E


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