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Noisey British Apache, are they all the same?
Seasons greetings to all Rotorheads,
I have posted before on the footprint of certain Helis, but was supprised on Thursday of last week when I picked up the unmistakable throb of some sort of approaching Heli, I had a friend with me(non flyer) who also heard this I commented that it sounded pretty powerful and could be a three of four blade sysem making the increasingly loud noise, I told my pal where to look in the sky to see the arrival of this noisey beast , I checked my watch for some other reason but was supprised three miniutes later to see the Apache at about 150 ft fly into our view in the sky position I had indicated to my friend, on its own that really is no big deal.........
But if these type of Helis are capable of being detected like this with the Human ear, surely this would give some sort of time advantage to insurgents to get the old RPGs ready to have a go, any thought from others with more active experience?
Many regards
Vfr
I have posted before on the footprint of certain Helis, but was supprised on Thursday of last week when I picked up the unmistakable throb of some sort of approaching Heli, I had a friend with me(non flyer) who also heard this I commented that it sounded pretty powerful and could be a three of four blade sysem making the increasingly loud noise, I told my pal where to look in the sky to see the arrival of this noisey beast , I checked my watch for some other reason but was supprised three miniutes later to see the Apache at about 150 ft fly into our view in the sky position I had indicated to my friend, on its own that really is no big deal.........
But if these type of Helis are capable of being detected like this with the Human ear, surely this would give some sort of time advantage to insurgents to get the old RPGs ready to have a go, any thought from others with more active experience?
Many regards
Vfr
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I can't imagine it took three minutes to reach you from first hearing. Perhaps it was manouvering hard in tight circles, in the direction you heard the noise from, and in the last 30s headed in your direction? That would account for why it was making that level of noise for so long.
They've been cruising past over Ipswich for several months now and the noise is not exceptional - though it's not EC135/MD902 quiet.
They've been cruising past over Ipswich for several months now and the noise is not exceptional - though it's not EC135/MD902 quiet.
Sound was used to detect aircraft in WWII and no reason why it does not work today as well.
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Hi Peter, long time, no post.
Are you sure it was approaching from a distance, and not slowly from
half a mile or so? Compared to a Lynx or Chinook, they are
positively quiet.
Are you sure it was approaching from a distance, and not slowly from
half a mile or so? Compared to a Lynx or Chinook, they are
positively quiet.
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3 more Apache pilots resign
Rumour at Shawbury is 3 experienced Apache pilots have resigned.
Is life that bad in the apache world or were these 3 at a natural break point?
will there be slots for more exchanges? I know the NAvy have one, isn't it time the RAF got a look in?
or looking at the exit numbers should i stay away?
Is life that bad in the apache world or were these 3 at a natural break point?
will there be slots for more exchanges? I know the NAvy have one, isn't it time the RAF got a look in?
or looking at the exit numbers should i stay away?
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Crab Beefer, stay away!
I think your source of information is a little bit wrong, cos it's more than three! I am curious about the sincerity of your post.
Are you one of a growing number who like a good old verbal bashing about the Army Apache program?
As a "crab beefer" I assume (might be wrong, I have been wrong before) you a RAF helicopter pilot and QHI, therefore failed fast jet maybe, with a burning desire to something more than just ash and trash.
Bullied at Red 850 by Lynx 5 in the past maybe? To be honest I don't really care.
The people you speak of haven't yet resigned, well maybe one or two have, but not all, and I think you'll find they could all be staying within the Apache program, just as civvies, all of them are at points in there service where it is natural to leave if a better offer comes along.
Why is it the Apache makes the headlines everytime somebody on the program has a good sh1t? Life in the Apache world isn’t bad, there are challenges sure, but what part of the armed forces doesn’t have any challenges right now.
Oh one more thing, the Royal Navy have 2 current Apache pilots to at the moment, one is a QHI who got us all onto and off HMS Ocean without incident. The Royal Navy added to the Attack Helicopter budget when they decided not to buy a Lynx TOW replacement, which is why one of the Attack Aviation Squadrons has a Maritime role. No need for any Crabs thank you!
I think your source of information is a little bit wrong, cos it's more than three! I am curious about the sincerity of your post.
Are you one of a growing number who like a good old verbal bashing about the Army Apache program?
As a "crab beefer" I assume (might be wrong, I have been wrong before) you a RAF helicopter pilot and QHI, therefore failed fast jet maybe, with a burning desire to something more than just ash and trash.
Bullied at Red 850 by Lynx 5 in the past maybe? To be honest I don't really care.
The people you speak of haven't yet resigned, well maybe one or two have, but not all, and I think you'll find they could all be staying within the Apache program, just as civvies, all of them are at points in there service where it is natural to leave if a better offer comes along.
Why is it the Apache makes the headlines everytime somebody on the program has a good sh1t? Life in the Apache world isn’t bad, there are challenges sure, but what part of the armed forces doesn’t have any challenges right now.
Oh one more thing, the Royal Navy have 2 current Apache pilots to at the moment, one is a QHI who got us all onto and off HMS Ocean without incident. The Royal Navy added to the Attack Helicopter budget when they decided not to buy a Lynx TOW replacement, which is why one of the Attack Aviation Squadrons has a Maritime role. No need for any Crabs thank you!
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Strewth! You should have gone into Air Defence with a defensive attitude like that!
It seemed like a genuine enough question to me so why fly straight off the collective?
Sounds like a very sensitive spot was touched there......
But you said "I think your source of information is a little bit wrong, cos it's more than three!"
Followed by "The people you speak of haven't yet resigned, well maybe one or two have"
Make up your mind!
Strewth! You should have gone into Air Defence with a defensive attitude like that!
It seemed like a genuine enough question to me so why fly straight off the collective?
Sounds like a very sensitive spot was touched there......
But you said "I think your source of information is a little bit wrong, cos it's more than three!"
Followed by "The people you speak of haven't yet resigned, well maybe one or two have"
Make up your mind!
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ST, the bottom line is, why does it matter that 3 or more Apache pilots have resigned, how many Puma pilots, or Chinook pilots have resigned? No news really.
A lot more than 3 Apache pilots have resigned, some very senior, some not so senior, every one of em for better offers. As my memory serves me about 11 so far.
Not attitude at all, just miffed every time I someone post a disingenuous thread on here about Apache. Really what does it matter to crab beefer that 3 Apache pilots have resigned? He's nothing to do with Apache, nor could he be. There is more impact on me and those flying the Apache at the moment yet none of us put the post up. We are the ones who have to carry on doing the job, and there are few enough of us as it is.
Merry Christmas.
A lot more than 3 Apache pilots have resigned, some very senior, some not so senior, every one of em for better offers. As my memory serves me about 11 so far.
Not attitude at all, just miffed every time I someone post a disingenuous thread on here about Apache. Really what does it matter to crab beefer that 3 Apache pilots have resigned? He's nothing to do with Apache, nor could he be. There is more impact on me and those flying the Apache at the moment yet none of us put the post up. We are the ones who have to carry on doing the job, and there are few enough of us as it is.
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Tom, maybe it would be better if the crabs had Apache eh?
Cos look at how well they keep hold of the Tornado and Harrier and Hercules and Tristar and Chinook and Puma pilots. None of them leave do they?
Merry Christmas mate.
Cos look at how well they keep hold of the Tornado and Harrier and Hercules and Tristar and Chinook and Puma pilots. None of them leave do they?
Merry Christmas mate.
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I do feel sorry for the Apache mates. As any military person will know, there is not a single piece of equipment, from the humble sock to the super-snazzy jet fighter, that has worked as advertised at any stage of its time in service.
You may correct me if I am wrong.
You may correct me if I am wrong.
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What goes around...
We nicked the design for the jerrycan in 1941 from... the Jerries (the clue is in the name).
IIRC, the Spitfire had teething troubles pre-war, the 4 engined Lancaster only came into being because the 2 engined Manchester was a right 'horlicks', Kestrel / Harrier also had a long and difficult birth.
Goes with the territory for any major change programme. All four major change elements need to be sorted:
People
Organisation
Technology
Information
From the outside, AH within 16 AA Bde seems to be a readily deployable asset. We'll find out soon enough next year, I'm sure.
IIRC, the Spitfire had teething troubles pre-war, the 4 engined Lancaster only came into being because the 2 engined Manchester was a right 'horlicks', Kestrel / Harrier also had a long and difficult birth.
Goes with the territory for any major change programme. All four major change elements need to be sorted:
People
Organisation
Technology
Information
From the outside, AH within 16 AA Bde seems to be a readily deployable asset. We'll find out soon enough next year, I'm sure.
