AH-64 Apache

[SASless]

Now all they need is a mission.....any of them being painted in pink?

[rotorrookie]

Apache vs. Lotus Exige

It's not so easy to outrun the Apache video

p.s. Who else than Jeremy Clarkson would try it

[Spheriflex]

BMW M6 versus S76b

This is TV, so the M6 had to win
You can see it by the nose up of the aircraft
M6 versus S76b

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

Wow - Holland has a Jermey Clarkson - and he talk bollocks too - but in Dutch !

[Graviman]

Well, the heli don't need a racetrack...

If i had the money to buy a silly sportscar, i'd be asking "which heli" advice on this forum and giving my Polo Diesel a carwash.

Mart

[purge98]

Interesting....the hangar was a CHC one but the aircraft did not have CHC markings.

Spooky......

[mazakari]

CHC Schreiner. I thought it was rather nice they pulled into the hover to allow him to catch up.

[Spheriflex]

They already painted the hangar, cause it doesn't move. The aircrafts are to busy flying, so they don't have time to put the warbird on.

[hotzenplotz]

Some questions about the AH-64 Apache

Some questions about the AH-64 Apache



AH-64 A


AH-64 D Longbow (with MMW)


AH-64 D (without MMW)


AH-64 D (without anything)


I wonder what the difference is, between the two AH-64 D Models without the MMW?


I also wonder what these balls are, on the wingtips of the Israeli AH-64 D?




Maybe someone can help me.
Thanks in advance,

Hotzenplotz

[Jonp]

I have no idea, and unfortunately can't help. What I can say, is if you think thats odd, you try sitting in one. The only things you can recognise are the 3 basic controls - everything else is like nothing else I have flown.

We were lucky enough to visit them at Shawbury a year ago, and even sit in the cockpit - amazing bit of kit

Jon P

[Ian Corrigible]

The difference between the two pictures is simply that the third picture shows a DWI (D model with Longbow) aircraft with the Longbow de-rotation collar installed, whereas the fourth shows a DWO (D model wthout Longbow), which lacks both the collar (since it is never fitted with the fire control radar) and the antenna from the AH-64A.

As you probably know, only 45% of the D fleet was installed with the Longbow FCR.

I suspect the wart on the Israeli bird is part of the Elisra Passive Airborne Warning System fitted to the Saraf.

I/C

[hotzenplotz]

Does this mean that the DWO's with the Longbow de-rotation collar get the MMW-Radar later?

Or are they "full" Longbow machines with demontaged Radar, because the Radar is not needed for the actual mission?

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Here stands that the Elisra Passive Airborne Warning System is for the F-16:

http://www.aviationnow.com/media/pdf/spec05_ew.pdf

Do you have a source for the "warts" ?

[Ian Corrigible]

hotzenplotz:

All upgraded Ds with the glass cockpit are supposed to be wired for the Longbow FCR, and capable of being retrofitted with the system in 4-8 hours (a task which is obviously simplified when the de-rotation collar is installed). Even without the FCR, Ds are capable of launching the MMW AGM-114L Hellfire, handing-off to FCR-equipped aircraft for targeting.

However, since the buy of AN/APG-78 FCRs has not increased, even under the Block III upgrade program, less than half the fleet remains equipped with the radar (hence the lack of collars on all the fleet). While driven primarily by cost considerations, this is also a reflection of the fact that FCR-equipped aircraft are not needed for all missions, and that a DWO D model Apache equipped with laser-guided Hellfires is still capable enough for most missions, esp. in non-obscured environments.

The Block III upgrade, which adds a range of improvements to the overall D model fleet including a extended-range FCR and AGM-114Ls, also includes uprated 701D engines, which help offset the weight penalty associated with the radar and accompanying boxes (e.g in mid-East opps).

Re: the IAF aircraft, I have no proof that the warts are associated with the PAWS (for some reason the IDF is strangely protective of its mission fit ! ), but the program has been under consideration for several years and there was additional blurb on it at Paris this year.

I/C

[hotzenplotz]

Thank you verry much.
You were really helpful.

[NickLappos]

I wonder how the Longbow has proven itself in service. Those promises of swatting targets at 5 miles like video gamers do it always seemed excessive.

Some word I got from US Army pilots is that the MMW can't tell a school bus from a T-80, and that the eyeball and visual systems are what allow launch. Failure of the IAF to buy the whole lot would tell us they found it less capable than Boeing brochures would indicate.

Any of you Apache guys in Britain able to help out?

[TechHead]

MMW Radar for the Apache.

The capabilities of the MMW radar are pretty much governed by the tactical situation in which it is deployed. MMW in an urban environment is pretty much useless. MK I eyeball with the normal EO/FLIR and you have yourself a game of soldiers. On the other hand, stand off 6 or 8 clicks in the middle of a desert with a everything outside your cockpit deemed 'enemy' and you have yourself a barrel of fish. That would be 16 dead fish in under a minute.

As for T-80 versus Schoolbus. It can indeed tell the difference. The radar returns from both are quite different and extremely distinguishable.

There is plenty of room for improvement however.

[BigMike]

Apache night accident video link anyone?

Anyone have a link to the video of the Apache that struck trees with the MR blades, while NOE at night?

Thanks BM

[SuperAviator]

BigMike

i've got exactly what you're looking for.

can't seem to figure out how to upload files on this site at the moment.

if you like, PM your personal e-mail address & i'll send it over pronto.

[ppf]

BM,

The video is on this website entitled "Will it fit through the gap":

http://www.griffin-helicopters.co.uk/videos/

ppf

[BigMike]

Thanks a lot ppf! and to SuperAviator as well.
Great site.
I am putting together a safety presentation and had been searching for this clip.

Any EMS related, or wire-strike clips, would be appreciated too.


Thanks BM