Drones over NY and NJ
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Thanks to whoever pressured the FAA into publishing all these TFRs the NY helicopter chart is now completely covered in red circles. Unfortunately there’s no filter to get rid of the UAS TFR overlay on ForeFlight since they post it as a conventional TFR.
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I admire how the FAA has acted as it fails completely to deal with the situation.
Fail 1: Assuming they are alien spacecraft or Iranian drones or distant stars, the TFR will not affect those flights at all.
Fail 2: If ordinary aircraft are reported as drones, those will continue to be reported as drones.
The only way (and quite unpleasant) to "fix" this is to prohibit all manned aircraft from overflying the area. This will leave only the little green men or the Iranian drones or distant stars as possible sightings. Presuming that aliens have not come to New Jersey and the Iranians don't have a secret, invisible mother ship floating in the Atlantic, the only feature remaining will be stars which have no red or green navigation lights on them.
So, yet again, the FAA has taken an approach that is an inconvenience to lawful drone operators and does nothing to tamp the confusion.
Fail 1: Assuming they are alien spacecraft or Iranian drones or distant stars, the TFR will not affect those flights at all.
Fail 2: If ordinary aircraft are reported as drones, those will continue to be reported as drones.
The only way (and quite unpleasant) to "fix" this is to prohibit all manned aircraft from overflying the area. This will leave only the little green men or the Iranian drones or distant stars as possible sightings. Presuming that aliens have not come to New Jersey and the Iranians don't have a secret, invisible mother ship floating in the Atlantic, the only feature remaining will be stars which have no red or green navigation lights on them.
So, yet again, the FAA has taken an approach that is an inconvenience to lawful drone operators and does nothing to tamp the confusion.
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Heh heh, SAS and Mech
sounds like the anti-gun folks that think a law will stop a mentally ill person from shooting people. The criminals that have guns are "criminals", Sheesh. So passing a law or publishing TFR will not prevent bad actors from moving along.
Gums sends...
sounds like the anti-gun folks that think a law will stop a mentally ill person from shooting people. The criminals that have guns are "criminals", Sheesh. So passing a law or publishing TFR will not prevent bad actors from moving along.
Gums sends...
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https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/12...t-if-you-must/
We're not recommending anyone shoot down a drone. That's illegal in Wyoming. But if someone needed to, a shotgun would be the right weapon, gun experts say.
We're not recommending anyone shoot down a drone. That's illegal in Wyoming. But if someone needed to, a shotgun would be the right weapon, gun experts say.
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Wy is a gun state and kinda makes sense ref using a shotgun ie bird hunting. Unfortunately IMO we don’t have the smartest politicians
Maybe invite some Ukrainian soldiers for RR and to show us how it should be done.
Maybe invite some Ukrainian soldiers for RR and to show us how it should be done.
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From: Southern Shores of Old Lusitania Kingdom
Here in Portugal 99% of the people after some Starlink flares came to the media talkin bout Drones, UAVs, UFOs, Aliens, Martians...Its almost a SOP.
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Drones over Florida have made a swarm attack on the crowd gathered for their holiday light show.
So far the worst injured was a child with a cut upper lip, however the parents report the child will be getting heart surgery.I expect the need for surgery was discovered during the treatment for the lip injury and was not induced by the drone. If so, getting hit by the drone may have saved the child's life.
Update - the current claim is the falling drone hit the child hard enough to leave a dent in his chest and that impact was enough to damage the heart valve. That seriously sucks for everyone involved.
So far the worst injured was a child with a cut upper lip, however the parents report the child will be getting heart surgery.
Update - the current claim is the falling drone hit the child hard enough to leave a dent in his chest and that impact was enough to damage the heart valve. That seriously sucks for everyone involved.
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Hey....Actual Drones...actually video'd...and actually seized for forensic examination....real witnesses....now we are getting somewhere.
If someone was injured....does that contradict the Biden Administration informing us we are not at risk from the Drones?
If someone was injured....does that contradict the Biden Administration informing us we are not at risk from the Drones?
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"the drones" as in these drones or the misreported drones over New Jersey? Certainly drones in Ukraine are a danger to many.
This is the second event of this type recently. A drone show in China had a similar falling out of the sky about 2 weeks ago. That one did not have people under the drone swarm and, trust them or not, no injuries were reported.
In both cases only a subset of the drones appear to have lost the will to fly, so unlikely to be a broad attack on the navigation or communication link. It's possible there is a bug in the planning software or that someone has found a way to hack the swarm one drone at a time.
This is the second event of this type recently. A drone show in China had a similar falling out of the sky about 2 weeks ago. That one did not have people under the drone swarm and, trust them or not, no injuries were reported.
In both cases only a subset of the drones appear to have lost the will to fly, so unlikely to be a broad attack on the navigation or communication link. It's possible there is a bug in the planning software or that someone has found a way to hack the swarm one drone at a time.
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Then nothing, probably. Almost all small drones, sold by the literal millions, are made in China, including some used by Ukraine to make Russians less alive. The only notable operational problems I recall from before this is that some drones apparently initialized to recall the last place they were, which was somewhere in China, and would launch themselves in that direction with surprising and slightly damaging results - garage doors was a popular target from testing in the driveway. Plus it took a then quite expensive drone and broke a large bit of it.
The more likely culprit is a problem with the swarming software.
The main maker, DJI, has been very willing to follow the FAA required changes and will automatically download all the keep-out zones in the US, comply with the Remote ID requirements. They appear to understand the risk of being banned.
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Of course, Florida:
From https://dronedj.com/2024/12/16/shoot...ne-legal-fine/ the drone is reported to cost about $10,000.
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The more likely culprit is a problem with the swarming software.
The main maker, DJI, has been very willing to follow the FAA required changes and will automatically download all the keep-out zones in the US, comply with the Remote ID requirements. They appear to understand the risk of being banned.
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Of course, Florida:
Can you legally shoot down a drone if it’s “bothering” you? For Dennis Winn, a 72-year-old Florida retiree, the answer has come with a $5,000 restitution order and criminal charges after he shot down a Walmart delivery drone hovering near his Lake County home.
The drone, part of Walmart’s mock delivery trial in collaboration with DroneUp, was flying at about 75 feet when it came under fire from Winn’s 9mm handgun. The former fire captain mistook the drone for a surveillance device targeting his property.
The incident, which occurred on June 26, began when Winn, cleaning his pool, heard a whirring noise. Suspecting surveillance, he retrieved his firearm, aimed, and fired one precise shot, striking the drone and rendering it inoperable. When confronted by law enforcement, Winn, initially unaware of the drone’s ownership, quipped, “I must be a good shot,” according to bodycam footage.
The drone, part of Walmart’s mock delivery trial in collaboration with DroneUp, was flying at about 75 feet when it came under fire from Winn’s 9mm handgun. The former fire captain mistook the drone for a surveillance device targeting his property.
The incident, which occurred on June 26, began when Winn, cleaning his pool, heard a whirring noise. Suspecting surveillance, he retrieved his firearm, aimed, and fired one precise shot, striking the drone and rendering it inoperable. When confronted by law enforcement, Winn, initially unaware of the drone’s ownership, quipped, “I must be a good shot,” according to bodycam footage.
edit - note correction in earlier post.
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From one of the images showing a crashed drone, it matches the product of UVify, an American drone company with headquarters in Seattle, Washington, and also R&D and manufacturing in Korea. They have several models, but one that matches, with translucent upper and lower shells like the one that is shown crashed, can be seen at https://www.uvify.com/discover and on the product comparison page https://www.thedronegirl.com/2023/11...t-show-drones/
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Continuing the thread drift but there had also been an incident of multiple drones falling to the ground or into the water during a drone formation display in Melbourne, Australia in July 2023:
https://www.news.com.au/technology/h...aff58b3b6?amp=
I wonder how the formation control logic deals with a control failure in one or more drones? Does it perhaps have a cascading effect?
https://www.news.com.au/technology/h...aff58b3b6?amp=
I wonder how the formation control logic deals with a control failure in one or more drones? Does it perhaps have a cascading effect?