Drones over NY and NJ
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Beyond this, I am aware of no U.S. law pertaining to shooting down aircraft (excluding an armed incursion or act of war and the DOD). As far as a LE agency, the action would be generally covered under the agency's ‘use of force policy’. I'm not aware of a LEA UOF policy that explicitly addresses shooting down aircraft. The USCG may be an entity that incorporates such a policy.
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The Federal Government sure seems to have lost the abilty to tell a good lie.
Exactly why would the DOD, DHS, National Guard, NOT SHOOT DOWN any number of these Drones as they fly back out to sea?
Why has the DOD not intercepted, tracked, and determined all there is to know about them.....already?
Folks....the pungent and clearly recognizable odor of bull**** is wafting about and get stronger every time a government official makes any kknd of statement.
If the drones pose no threat as is being said....and there is no reason to suspect that....then why is the public position that to shoot one down might cause some unknown problem due to some unknown payload on the drone?
I wonder how the folks in my area would take to seeing one of these things hovering over the Seaside Convenience Store and Cafe on the Island.
No question there Duck Hunters down here can deal with such airborne threats if the USMC, USAF,US Army and USCG cannot.
I know for sure the Coyote Hunters with their night vision and thermal rifle scopes can handle the nocturnal events while the Duck Hunters take care of the daytime.
On a serious note for those that are incapable of discerning jest from serious.......why is it at this point in time the answers have not been forthcoming?
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024...go-out-to-sea/
Exactly why would the DOD, DHS, National Guard, NOT SHOOT DOWN any number of these Drones as they fly back out to sea?
Why has the DOD not intercepted, tracked, and determined all there is to know about them.....already?
Folks....the pungent and clearly recognizable odor of bull**** is wafting about and get stronger every time a government official makes any kknd of statement.
If the drones pose no threat as is being said....and there is no reason to suspect that....then why is the public position that to shoot one down might cause some unknown problem due to some unknown payload on the drone?
I wonder how the folks in my area would take to seeing one of these things hovering over the Seaside Convenience Store and Cafe on the Island.
No question there Duck Hunters down here can deal with such airborne threats if the USMC, USAF,US Army and USCG cannot.
I know for sure the Coyote Hunters with their night vision and thermal rifle scopes can handle the nocturnal events while the Duck Hunters take care of the daytime.
On a serious note for those that are incapable of discerning jest from serious.......why is it at this point in time the answers have not been forthcoming?
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024...go-out-to-sea/
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Not quoted in their entirety - just the part regarding the aircraft. Other parts cover ramp workers and so forth.
(18 U.S.C.§ 32)
See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/32
Explanations:
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/...aft-18-usc-32a
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/...urisdiction-us
(18 U.S.C.§ 32)
See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/32
(a)Whoever willfully—
(1)sets fire to, damages, destroys, disables, or wrecks any aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States or any civil aircraft used, operated, or employed in interstate, overseas, or foreign air commerce;
(2)places or causes to be placed a destructive device or substance in, upon, or in proximity to, or otherwise makes or causes to be made unworkable or unusable or hazardous to work or use, any such aircraft, or any part or other materials used or intended to be used in connection with the operation of such aircraft, if such placing or causing to be placed or such making or causing to be made is likely to endanger the safety of any such aircraft;
(3)sets fire to, damages, destroys, or disables any air navigation facility, or interferes by force or violence with the operation of such facility, if such fire, damaging, destroying, disabling, or interfering is likely to endanger the safety of any such aircraft in flight;
(4)with the intent to damage, destroy, or disable any such aircraft, sets fire to, damages, destroys, or disables or places a destructive device or substance in, upon, or in proximity to, any appliance or structure, ramp, landing area, property, machine, or apparatus, or any facility or other material used, or intended to be used, in connection with the operation, maintenance, loading, unloading or storage of any such aircraft or any cargo carried or intended to be carried on any such aircraft;
(1)sets fire to, damages, destroys, disables, or wrecks any aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States or any civil aircraft used, operated, or employed in interstate, overseas, or foreign air commerce;
(2)places or causes to be placed a destructive device or substance in, upon, or in proximity to, or otherwise makes or causes to be made unworkable or unusable or hazardous to work or use, any such aircraft, or any part or other materials used or intended to be used in connection with the operation of such aircraft, if such placing or causing to be placed or such making or causing to be made is likely to endanger the safety of any such aircraft;
(3)sets fire to, damages, destroys, or disables any air navigation facility, or interferes by force or violence with the operation of such facility, if such fire, damaging, destroying, disabling, or interfering is likely to endanger the safety of any such aircraft in flight;
(4)with the intent to damage, destroy, or disable any such aircraft, sets fire to, damages, destroys, or disables or places a destructive device or substance in, upon, or in proximity to, any appliance or structure, ramp, landing area, property, machine, or apparatus, or any facility or other material used, or intended to be used, in connection with the operation, maintenance, loading, unloading or storage of any such aircraft or any cargo carried or intended to be carried on any such aircraft;
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/...aft-18-usc-32a
1423. Destruction Of Aircraft -- 18 U.S.C. 32(a)
Jurisdiction over acts relating to the destruction of aircraft or aircraft facilities extends to "any aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States." The term "special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States" is defined in 49 U.S.C. § 46501(2) (formerly section 101(38) of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 (49 U.S.C.App. § 1301(38))). See this Manual at 1405.
It is implicit in the kind of conduct prohibited by paragraph (1) of section 32(a) (setting fire to, damaging, destroying or disabling any aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction) that such acts are likely to endanger the safety of the aircraft. The acts described in paragraph (1) can have no other result. Because the acts prohibited by paragraphs (2) through (6) of § 32(a) might have other results, however, Congress believed it necessary to state explicitly that these paragraphs criminalize only that conduct that is likely to threaten the safety of the aircraft. Thus, paragraphs (2), (3), and (5) prohibit certain conduct that is "likely to endanger the safety of any such aircraft." Paragraph (4) requires that the defendant act "with the intent to damage, destroy, or disable" such aircraft. Paragraph (6), relating to the communication of false information, requires that the communication actually endanger the aircraft's safety. Paragraph (7) prohibits any attempt or conspiracy (as of April 24, 1996) to violate paragraphs (1) through (6).
Jurisdiction over acts relating to the destruction of aircraft or aircraft facilities extends to "any aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States." The term "special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States" is defined in 49 U.S.C. § 46501(2) (formerly section 101(38) of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 (49 U.S.C.App. § 1301(38))). See this Manual at 1405.
It is implicit in the kind of conduct prohibited by paragraph (1) of section 32(a) (setting fire to, damaging, destroying or disabling any aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction) that such acts are likely to endanger the safety of the aircraft. The acts described in paragraph (1) can have no other result. Because the acts prohibited by paragraphs (2) through (6) of § 32(a) might have other results, however, Congress believed it necessary to state explicitly that these paragraphs criminalize only that conduct that is likely to threaten the safety of the aircraft. Thus, paragraphs (2), (3), and (5) prohibit certain conduct that is "likely to endanger the safety of any such aircraft." Paragraph (4) requires that the defendant act "with the intent to damage, destroy, or disable" such aircraft. Paragraph (6), relating to the communication of false information, requires that the communication actually endanger the aircraft's safety. Paragraph (7) prohibits any attempt or conspiracy (as of April 24, 1996) to violate paragraphs (1) through (6).
1405. Special Aircraft Jurisdiction of the United States
The special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States is a jurisdictional requirement for an aircraft piracy offense proscribed by 49 U.S.C. § 46502(a), as well as for interference with a flight crew member or attendant, in violation of 49 U.S.C. § 46504, the "enclave offenses" criminalized in that jurisdiction by 49 U.S.C. § 46506, and the destruction of aircraft and aircraft facilities offenses of 18 U.S.C. § 32(a). An aircraft is in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States only while the aircraft is "in flight."
Included in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States, while "in flight," are the following:
(a) any civil aircraft of the United States;
(b) any aircraft of the United States armed forces;
(c) any other aircraft in the United States;
The special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States is a jurisdictional requirement for an aircraft piracy offense proscribed by 49 U.S.C. § 46502(a), as well as for interference with a flight crew member or attendant, in violation of 49 U.S.C. § 46504, the "enclave offenses" criminalized in that jurisdiction by 49 U.S.C. § 46506, and the destruction of aircraft and aircraft facilities offenses of 18 U.S.C. § 32(a). An aircraft is in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States only while the aircraft is "in flight."
Included in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States, while "in flight," are the following:
(a) any civil aircraft of the United States;
(b) any aircraft of the United States armed forces;
(c) any other aircraft in the United States;
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I'm not all that sure you can't shoot down a low drone over your property and escape prosecution.
Seems to me a county in Colorado a coupla years ago may have even offered a bounty for shooting down a a drone after numerous ones flew over and over a section of land near the Nebraska border.
Meanwhile, I go with SAS about the govmint's statements and am losing faith in our air defense capability.
Make no mistake, I feel 98% of the sightings are airplanes or helos. The clearest videos show airplanes! Complete with required lighting. So how come govmint can't say yeah we tracked that sucker and it landed at a private heliport near Teterboro. But nooooo, a lotta handwaving and such. SHeesh.
Gums sends...
Seems to me a county in Colorado a coupla years ago may have even offered a bounty for shooting down a a drone after numerous ones flew over and over a section of land near the Nebraska border.
Meanwhile, I go with SAS about the govmint's statements and am losing faith in our air defense capability.
Make no mistake, I feel 98% of the sightings are airplanes or helos. The clearest videos show airplanes! Complete with required lighting. So how come govmint can't say yeah we tracked that sucker and it landed at a private heliport near Teterboro. But nooooo, a lotta handwaving and such. SHeesh.
Gums sends...
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For Jim Eli:
Thanks for your response. I was questioning Vis's use of the term random. I get the idea that the Coast Guard don't think it was random.
I'll not comment further on who or what may be flying drones around.
Thanks for your response. I was questioning Vis's use of the term random. I get the idea that the Coast Guard don't think it was random.
I'll not comment further on who or what may be flying drones around.
See and avoid
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I'm not all that sure you can't shoot down a low drone over your property and escape prosecution.
Seems to me a county in Colorado a coupla years ago may have even offered a bounty for shooting down a a drone after numerous ones flew over and over a section of land near the Nebraska border.
Meanwhile, I go with SAS about the govmint's statements and am losing faith in our air defense capability.
Make no mistake, I feel 98% of the sightings are airplanes or helos. The clearest videos show airplanes! Complete with required lighting. So how come govmint can't say yeah we tracked that sucker and it landed at a private heliport near Teterboro. But nooooo, a lotta handwaving and such. SHeesh.
Gums sends...
Seems to me a county in Colorado a coupla years ago may have even offered a bounty for shooting down a a drone after numerous ones flew over and over a section of land near the Nebraska border.
Meanwhile, I go with SAS about the govmint's statements and am losing faith in our air defense capability.
Make no mistake, I feel 98% of the sightings are airplanes or helos. The clearest videos show airplanes! Complete with required lighting. So how come govmint can't say yeah we tracked that sucker and it landed at a private heliport near Teterboro. But nooooo, a lotta handwaving and such. SHeesh.
Gums sends...
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People who think they can shoot down those drones with a shotgun are idiots. Most of those flying lights are miles away. A shotgun shooting bird shot has a range of 50-60 yards before it loses too much energy. The shot spread is about 1 inch per yard.
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I fly here in the NY and NJ area where all these drone reports are being made. There are zero credible sightings. It's all Billybobs and Karens making random reports and videoing airplanes and helicopters 99% of the time. No pilots and/or controllers have seen any of those drones that people are all of a sudden finding everywhere. I've been flying here for the past 3 years and have colleagues that work for similar major helicopter tour and charter companies and none of them have seen any increase in drone activity.
The media and the politicians are hyping this whole thing up. For what reason I have no idea.
The media and the politicians are hyping this whole thing up. For what reason I have no idea.
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A hauntingly familiar theme.
Mass hysteria? Paranoia?
Continue this behavior to a logical conclusion and you end up with a vision foreseen by Rod Serling over six decades ago!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mo...n_Maple_Street
There may be some rouge drone operators about but some of these folks should at least try to get a grip on reality!
Mass hysteria? Paranoia?
Continue this behavior to a logical conclusion and you end up with a vision foreseen by Rod Serling over six decades ago!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mo...n_Maple_Street
There may be some rouge drone operators about but some of these folks should at least try to get a grip on reality!
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I fly here in the NY and NJ area where all these drone reports are being made. There are zero credible sightings. It's all Billybobs and Karens making random reports and videoing airplanes and helicopters 99% of the time. No pilots and/or controllers have seen any of those drones that people are all of a sudden finding everywhere. I've been flying here for the past 3 years and have colleagues that work for similar major helicopter tour and charter companies and none of them have seen any increase in drone activity.
The media and the politicians are hyping this whole thing up. For what reason I have no idea.
The media and the politicians are hyping this whole thing up. For what reason I have no idea.
…prime exhibit in one of our outlets this AM was a Boeing Osprey in forward flight.If you’ll excuse a foreigners POV Ref your last para I guess keeping this “hot” means money for the media/viewing figures/clicks/, as far as the politicians go I suspect it’s just an excuse to continue to bash the outgoing administration, or those connected with it such as some in the FBI.
Good luck, and make sure you continue to avoid the drones that you’re not seeing …
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The drone hysteria is getting concerning as we had an increase in laser strikes here in NJ. EWR tower had reports of 9 strikes just last night.
The general public needs to be educated as there seems to be little to no knowledge about anything aviation related. This is causing some real issues for professional aviation. Next thing we'll find bullet holes in our aircraft if it continues down that path.
The general public needs to be educated as there seems to be little to no knowledge about anything aviation related. This is causing some real issues for professional aviation. Next thing we'll find bullet holes in our aircraft if it continues down that path.
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2020 Colorado
Drone sightings in New Jersey show a lot of similarities to mystery drones seen in eastern Colorado in 2020
We never really got an answer as to who or what was behind the drones in Colorado.Author: Marc Sallinger (9 News)
Published: 8:11 PM MST December 13, 2024
Updated: 8:11 PM MST December 13, 2024COLORADO, USA — All the people panicked about mysterious swarms of drones in the skies above New Jersey shouldn't turn to Colorado for help solving the mystery because there are still no answers for the drones that showed up over the state's Eastern Plains four years ago.
The reported drones in New Jersey are strange. Residents and officials have expressed concerns after reports of dozens of unknown "nighttime flights" started last month. The story also feels strangely familiar to what we saw in eastern Colorado in 2020.
The Colorado Department of Public Safety (CDPS) tallied more than 110 reports of drones between November 2019 and January 2020. Some were determined to be small hobby drones; others were planes. The department only said there were no instances of illegal drone activity. No official final report was ever released on whether there was a large swarm of drones flying over northeastern Colorado.
RELATED: Mysterious drones reported over 2 eastern Colorado counties
There are many similarities between the drone sightings in both states, starting with reports from eyewitnesses. Four years ago, eastern Colorado resident Haley Harms described the drone's sound as a high pitch.
"Like an engine that wants to blow up," Harms told 9NEWS in 2020.
Recent reports out of New Jersey are similar.
"I look to my left and see two big drones. They were propeller-driven going very slowly," a witness in New Jersey told NBC News.
In addition to the drones' reports, the questions lawmakers are asking on the East Coast today are like the ones previously asked in Colorado.
In 2020, a drone task force led by the Morgan County sheriff that included the Federal Aviation Administration was formed to try and track down the mysterious drone sightings in northeastern Colorado. Colorado Governor Jared Polis demanded answers, though few were ever released to the public.
"To me, this is no longer a novelty. I think we need to figure out what’s going on before any accident occurs," Polis said in January 2020.
RELATED: What happened to the mysterious Colorado drones?
Similarly, roughly 100 mayors and state representatives met in New Jersey this week to try and get answers to questions about the drones posed by their constituents.
NBC News reports that, on Wednesday, New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy hosted a virtual meeting in which state officials and a Homeland Security representative briefed local officials on the issue.
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Didn’t the 1938 radio broadcast of War of the Worlds create similar hysteria. Side note, that’s why we have station identification now on broadcasts.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/12/us-new...drone-mystery/
A fed-up New Jersey sheriff said he tried to track the mystery drones swarming the skies above his county — but they “easily” evaded the effort.
The Ocean County Sheriff’s office sent its own “industrial grade” drone into the air Thursday in a bid to follow one of 50 unmanned aerial vehicles a local cop saw “coming off the ocean,” Sheriff Michael Mastronardy said
The officer alerted the state police, the FBI and the US Coast Guard. Coast Guard officials then reported 13 drones, with wingspans of eight feet, following one of their vessels.
The mysterious drones, which don’t give off heat like more typical versions, swiftly maneuvered out of their clutches, Mastronardy told News Nation reporter Rich McHugh.
Do you have footage of drones over the skies of New Jersey or New York? Send it to The Post at [email protected].
Friday night to anchor Elizabeth Vargas, explaining he originally thought the drone hysteria might be a result of “pranksters” until he saw them himself.
“If this is not our military, then it’s even more scary,” McHugh said. “These things look like they are fixed-wing and they have multiple lights. I’m not really sure how to process what I saw last night. Both the photographer and I were kind of stunned.”
Theories about where the drones come from vary, with some believing they may have been sent by foreign adversaries.
On Friday, White House National Security Communications Advisor John Kirby said there was nothing to fear and that people may be imagining things. He said most reports were likely to be cases where manned aircraft were mistaken for drones.
Since then drones have been sighted in at least 12 counties in New Jersey as well as parts of eastern Pennsylvania and upstate New York.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/12/us-new...drone-mystery/
Fed-up NJ sheriff sends own drone to follow mystery flying objects — what happened left some ‘stunned’
A fed-up New Jersey sheriff said he tried to track the mystery drones swarming the skies above his county — but they “easily” evaded the effort.
The Ocean County Sheriff’s office sent its own “industrial grade” drone into the air Thursday in a bid to follow one of 50 unmanned aerial vehicles a local cop saw “coming off the ocean,” Sheriff Michael Mastronardy said
The officer alerted the state police, the FBI and the US Coast Guard. Coast Guard officials then reported 13 drones, with wingspans of eight feet, following one of their vessels.
The mysterious drones, which don’t give off heat like more typical versions, swiftly maneuvered out of their clutches, Mastronardy told News Nation reporter Rich McHugh.
Do you have footage of drones over the skies of New Jersey or New York? Send it to The Post at [email protected].
“If this is not our military, then it’s even more scary,” McHugh said. “These things look like they are fixed-wing and they have multiple lights. I’m not really sure how to process what I saw last night. Both the photographer and I were kind of stunned.”
Theories about where the drones come from vary, with some believing they may have been sent by foreign adversaries.
On Friday, White House National Security Communications Advisor John Kirby said there was nothing to fear and that people may be imagining things. He said most reports were likely to be cases where manned aircraft were mistaken for drones.
Since then drones have been sighted in at least 12 counties in New Jersey as well as parts of eastern Pennsylvania and upstate New York.
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While officials dismissed the mothership claim, the Coast Guard on Wednesday confirmed that “multiple low-altitude aircraft were observed in the vicinity of one of our vessels near Island Beach State Park, New Jersey,” Lt. Luke Pinneo said in a statement. “While no immediate threats or disruptions to operations were identified, the Coast Guard is assisting the FBI and state agencies to understand the type, origin, and intent of these aircraft and address potential risks to safety and security. We take any and all aircraft activity near federal assets seriously and urge the public to report any suspicious activity to local authorities.”
The Coast Guard statement came in response to our questions about claims made by U.S. Rep. Chris Smith on Tuesday that a 47-foot Coast Guard ship “was followed by between 12 and 30 of these drones as they went through the water — followed, right behind them.”
The Coast Guard statement came in response to our questions about claims made by U.S. Rep. Chris Smith on Tuesday that a 47-foot Coast Guard ship “was followed by between 12 and 30 of these drones as they went through the water — followed, right behind them.”
Following link for Island Beach State Park webcam. During night time the sky will filled with aviation lights many of which you could track on a flight tracker.
https://friendsofibsp.org/live-cams/oba1-beach-cam/
From ADSBExchange playback from the evening onwards for 8th December. Speed set at approx 50x. If you were an observer on the beach or on a boat you would be seeing aviation lights constantly. These lights would be observed changing course due to the aviation patterns in the area. You can see how observers assigned on a watch could misinterpret aviation lights at night.
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?repl....819&zoom=10.1
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The drone hysteria is getting concerning as we had an increase in laser strikes here in NJ. EWR tower had reports of 9 strikes just last night.
The general public needs to be educated as there seems to be little to no knowledge about anything aviation related. This is causing some real issues for professional aviation. Next thing we'll find bullet holes in our aircraft if it continues down that path.
The general public needs to be educated as there seems to be little to no knowledge about anything aviation related. This is causing some real issues for professional aviation. Next thing we'll find bullet holes in our aircraft if it continues down that path.
Sorry about this. Original post:
That's exactly what I was thinking yesterday, after Trump posted "shoot them down". It didn't take long:
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Salute!
Re: getting shot at over U.S.
Wouldn't be first time for a coupla my squadmates in two squads. One in North Dakota with a turkey rancher/farmer hitting one of our VooDoos' So we marked the sites and avoided them on our low level intercept practice. So 15 years later saw same thing in Utah, and our Vipers flew many more low level nav/attack profiles. Was funny when crew chief told the pilot had just taken groundfire! Heh heh.
For now, the lasers are very serious because they don't have to "lead" you.
Gum sends...
Re: getting shot at over U.S.
Wouldn't be first time for a coupla my squadmates in two squads. One in North Dakota with a turkey rancher/farmer hitting one of our VooDoos' So we marked the sites and avoided them on our low level intercept practice. So 15 years later saw same thing in Utah, and our Vipers flew many more low level nav/attack profiles. Was funny when crew chief told the pilot had just taken groundfire! Heh heh.
For now, the lasers are very serious because they don't have to "lead" you.
Gum sends...
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The amount of nonsense in social media, and even regular media, is getting out of hand. And, of course, some politicians are also adding fuel to this fire.
In the past I was hoping that the Internet will make everyone more informed. Unfortunately it seems to have the opposite effect, and it's getting worse by the year.
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If this doesn't make you laugh then I don't know. The footage they were showing in the news clip was all airplanes flying at night. People have officially lost their minds.