What’s going on at LifeFlight in Queensland?
Joined: Dec 2006
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From: australia
LOL says the guy posting anonymously on PPrune. C’mon mate, give us a spell. It’s how it works otherwise it would be a very boring site.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I suspect Aroundawhile might be better informed than he’s letting on.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I suspect Aroundawhile might be better informed than he’s letting on.
Joined: Aug 2011
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From: Australia
I guess it’s a rumour network after all, but sometimes you have to shake your head and wonder why people would rather throw rocks than use their critical thinking skills to ask why, as an organisation, they have been, and are, so successful.
I would has it a guess it’s not because they rip off their pilots, but more likely as an organisation, they are making some strategic decisions and backing it all up with professionalism. I can say this because in my experience, you can’t employ, train and contract out doctors, operate multiple C604 Jets on international operations, an AW139 Thales full motion simulator facility, multiple AW139s doing defense contracts, multiple AW139’s doing Oil and Gas contracts, multiple bases doing MTO operations, multiple lease agreements for aircraft to other MTO operators, being a 145 maintenance org and CMO for the Victorian Police AW139s, and the new CQRescue AW139s, whilst constructing multiple new facilities and then being in a position to front up with another AW139 to cover QGAir reactively.
I mean, seriously, you can’t do that without good people throughout the organisation, and be professional enough to meet or exceed client/contract expectations continuously.
Sure, staff deserve to be paid what they are worth, and in turn be motivated to continue to do the good work they do, but having a dig from the side because you can’t be a part of the organisation or are pissed because you don’t meet the minimums, or think that the EBA ‘talk’ is not just rhetoric to support an agenda, or think that shaking a tin is how a company grows to their size etc, suggests you’re pretty ill-informed or just plain ignorant.
Anyway, I’ll support any organisation that can bring pilots in as co-joes and train them up to be captains, and if they are clever enough to do it without going broke along the way, why wouldn’t you want to work for or with them?
My 2 cents… and yes, I am definitely biased towards Lifeflight and probably more informed than most about what they do, but I’m still fairly pragmatic about the industry as a whole and I take my hat off to them.
Safe skies.
I would has it a guess it’s not because they rip off their pilots, but more likely as an organisation, they are making some strategic decisions and backing it all up with professionalism. I can say this because in my experience, you can’t employ, train and contract out doctors, operate multiple C604 Jets on international operations, an AW139 Thales full motion simulator facility, multiple AW139s doing defense contracts, multiple AW139’s doing Oil and Gas contracts, multiple bases doing MTO operations, multiple lease agreements for aircraft to other MTO operators, being a 145 maintenance org and CMO for the Victorian Police AW139s, and the new CQRescue AW139s, whilst constructing multiple new facilities and then being in a position to front up with another AW139 to cover QGAir reactively.
I mean, seriously, you can’t do that without good people throughout the organisation, and be professional enough to meet or exceed client/contract expectations continuously.
Sure, staff deserve to be paid what they are worth, and in turn be motivated to continue to do the good work they do, but having a dig from the side because you can’t be a part of the organisation or are pissed because you don’t meet the minimums, or think that the EBA ‘talk’ is not just rhetoric to support an agenda, or think that shaking a tin is how a company grows to their size etc, suggests you’re pretty ill-informed or just plain ignorant.
Anyway, I’ll support any organisation that can bring pilots in as co-joes and train them up to be captains, and if they are clever enough to do it without going broke along the way, why wouldn’t you want to work for or with them?
My 2 cents… and yes, I am definitely biased towards Lifeflight and probably more informed than most about what they do, but I’m still fairly pragmatic about the industry as a whole and I take my hat off to them.
Safe skies.
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From: By the sea
The second or third lot of pilot reps in as many years have resigned yesterday with an email suggesting that the AFAP has wet their pants and are no longer working collaboratively with the pilot group. Can’t wait to hear the AFAP spin on agreeing to a deal that pays DTA below the award rate and giving up on chasing the back pay owed from the last agreement. A union for the pilots? These disputes with the company have been going on for years and the AFAP allowing them to get away with it is a disgrace. Piss weak.
Company treats its staff with contempt. Lowest paid pilots in the industry. Paying peanuts, now getting monkeys to replace the pilots and engineers leaving in droves for the operators that have reasonable pay and conditions. Roster is in pieces with shifts dropped or whackers in management having to fill shifts. Some even have to miss hockey training to go flying.
Company is a mess but watch all the sycophants, old boys and ex-corporals with a bad case of the Dunning-Krugers and a whiff of power rush to the defence of good old LifeFlight - the charity you support even when their contracts are fully funded but still can’t afford to pay their staff properly. At least not as long as the current company car fleet is maintained.
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: The Empire
No, definitely not. Where have all the LifeFlight sceptics gone? QG Air, OSA/CHC, PHI, Babcock, Westpac, Toll. Truck Masters. Take your pick. And everyone else is just worn out or too excited they’re not flying Robbies anymore to complain.
The second or third lot of pilot reps in as many years have resigned yesterday with an email suggesting that the AFAP has wet their pants and are no longer working collaboratively with the pilot group. Can’t wait to hear the AFAP spin on agreeing to a deal that pays DTA below the award rate and giving up on chasing the back pay owed from the last agreement. A union for the pilots? These disputes with the company have been going on for years and the AFAP allowing them to get away with it is a disgrace. Piss weak.
Company treats its staff with contempt. Lowest paid pilots in the industry. Paying peanuts, now getting monkeys to replace the pilots and engineers leaving in droves for the operators that have reasonable pay and conditions. Roster is in pieces with shifts dropped or whackers in management having to fill shifts. Some even have to miss hockey training to go flying.
Company is a mess but watch all the sycophants, old boys and ex-corporals with a bad case of the Dunning-Krugers and a whiff of power rush to the defence of good old LifeFlight - the charity you support even when their contracts are fully funded but still can’t afford to pay their staff properly. At least not as long as the current company car fleet is maintained.
The second or third lot of pilot reps in as many years have resigned yesterday with an email suggesting that the AFAP has wet their pants and are no longer working collaboratively with the pilot group. Can’t wait to hear the AFAP spin on agreeing to a deal that pays DTA below the award rate and giving up on chasing the back pay owed from the last agreement. A union for the pilots? These disputes with the company have been going on for years and the AFAP allowing them to get away with it is a disgrace. Piss weak.
Company treats its staff with contempt. Lowest paid pilots in the industry. Paying peanuts, now getting monkeys to replace the pilots and engineers leaving in droves for the operators that have reasonable pay and conditions. Roster is in pieces with shifts dropped or whackers in management having to fill shifts. Some even have to miss hockey training to go flying.
Company is a mess but watch all the sycophants, old boys and ex-corporals with a bad case of the Dunning-Krugers and a whiff of power rush to the defence of good old LifeFlight - the charity you support even when their contracts are fully funded but still can’t afford to pay their staff properly. At least not as long as the current company car fleet is maintained.
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Aviation Qualifications: ATPL(H)
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From: Canada
Low level rating?
Looking at the requirements:
Being Canadian I had never heard of a “Low Level Rating”.
Searching Australian rules I could not fing much on the CASA website.
https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/defaul...-61-1507_0.pdf
Being Canadian I had never heard of a “Low Level Rating”.
Searching Australian rules I could not fing much on the CASA website.
https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/defaul...-61-1507_0.pdf
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From: Wanaka, NZ
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,697
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From: Wanaka, NZ
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,697
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From: Wanaka, NZ
Joined: Aug 2011
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From: Australia
No, definitely not. Where have all the LifeFlight sceptics gone? QG Air, OSA/CHC, PHI, Babcock, Westpac, Toll. Truck Masters. Take your pick. And everyone else is just worn out or too excited they’re not flying Robbies anymore to complain.
The second or third lot of pilot reps in as many years have resigned yesterday with an email suggesting that the AFAP has wet their pants and are no longer working collaboratively with the pilot group. Can’t wait to hear the AFAP spin on agreeing to a deal that pays DTA below the award rate and giving up on chasing the back pay owed from the last agreement. A union for the pilots? These disputes with the company have been going on for years and the AFAP allowing them to get away with it is a disgrace. Piss weak.
Company treats its staff with contempt. Lowest paid pilots in the industry. Paying peanuts, now getting monkeys to replace the pilots and engineers leaving in droves for the operators that have reasonable pay and conditions. Roster is in pieces with shifts dropped or whackers in management having to fill shifts. Some even have to miss hockey training to go flying.
Company is a mess but watch all the sycophants, old boys and ex-corporals with a bad case of the Dunning-Krugers and a whiff of power rush to the defence of good old LifeFlight - the charity you support even when their contracts are fully funded but still can’t afford to pay their staff properly. At least not as long as the current company car fleet is maintained.
The second or third lot of pilot reps in as many years have resigned yesterday with an email suggesting that the AFAP has wet their pants and are no longer working collaboratively with the pilot group. Can’t wait to hear the AFAP spin on agreeing to a deal that pays DTA below the award rate and giving up on chasing the back pay owed from the last agreement. A union for the pilots? These disputes with the company have been going on for years and the AFAP allowing them to get away with it is a disgrace. Piss weak.
Company treats its staff with contempt. Lowest paid pilots in the industry. Paying peanuts, now getting monkeys to replace the pilots and engineers leaving in droves for the operators that have reasonable pay and conditions. Roster is in pieces with shifts dropped or whackers in management having to fill shifts. Some even have to miss hockey training to go flying.
Company is a mess but watch all the sycophants, old boys and ex-corporals with a bad case of the Dunning-Krugers and a whiff of power rush to the defence of good old LifeFlight - the charity you support even when their contracts are fully funded but still can’t afford to pay their staff properly. At least not as long as the current company car fleet is maintained.
Right. So biggest Government contract…and still a ‘charity’? How does that possibly work? Also, where’s the money going? If in fact Lifeflight are the lowest paid pilots in the Rescue Helicopter industry why does anyone work for them, are they just a stepping stone into the industry? If this is the case they must have a massive training budget? Maybe that’s where the money goes….training up rescue pilots for all the other operators in Australia?
I wonder what the Queensland tax payer thinks if in fact they can’t fill their rosters and can’t provide a service? I wonder what the media would find if they went digging into this mess? Sounds like a mess of an organisation.
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From: Aus, Europe & everywhere in between
Shaking of the pilot tree and the pile of resumes at tin rattler HQ is still ample to fill vacancies. I heard the most recent hire took a $130K pay cut to leave Esso and join the ranks of the tin rattlers as a co-pilot. And he was fully tricked up with hours and instrument rating and type
Go to one of these “better” companies, with the better pay and conditions. And if you are a current employee hoping to garner support for you being hard done by - then leave!!!!
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From: Wanaka, NZ
He left on his own terms for his own reasons, and paid back his training bond. He wanted a change in career direction away from offshore and accepted the big pay cut going to the tin rattlers in Queensland. Nobody forced anybody to do anything.
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From: Out there
Would his initials be TM?
