Covid Vaccines And Reported After Effects Of Concern To Pilots
https://www.news.com.au/technology/s...17a62784fec414
Just one of many admissions, do your own research, mainstream media are part of the problem
Just one of many admissions, do your own research, mainstream media are part of the problem
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II didn‘t ask you what Frank Chung the reporter on a sensationalist website said, I asked you what exactly the pharma companies said. This is not to be taken from the link you provided and telling me to go off and find this truth you know is pointless. If you are going to inform Rotorheads then do it. Otherwise we might as well pack off to Jet Blast already where there are pages and pages of exactly this kind of circular discussion, from nothing gets learned.
The issue of interest here is in-flight incapacitation and whether there is a link to one or more Covid vaccines. Do you have any research or data review published in any reputable journal suggesting that this might be an issue?
The issue of interest here is in-flight incapacitation and whether there is a link to one or more Covid vaccines. Do you have any research or data review published in any reputable journal suggesting that this might be an issue?
As in so many illnesses and diseases.....correctly diagnosis the root cause based upon symptoms can be difficult.
Add other chronic health problems with similar but unrelated symptoms can create difficulties in arriving at a correct diagnosis.
When we discuss Side Effects of Covid Vaccines and possible risks for Pilots....particularly those who fly as a Single Pilot in an aircraft we add yet another layer to that problem.
This article can be summed up as "Everything you wanted to know.....but were afraid to ask" kind of information can lead to a flawed self diagnosis if one is not careful.
Having all or most of these symptoms should surely cause one to seek a clinical diagnosis of the causes of the symptoms rather than going it alone only.
The question for all of us....if we do have symptoms that concern us....do we voluntarily ground ourselves pending obtaining that clinical involvement and incur loss of income and other problems?
Just where do we draw the line on when we act on our own and when do we carry on until told we are safe to fly or are medically grounded by the Authority?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20352539
Add other chronic health problems with similar but unrelated symptoms can create difficulties in arriving at a correct diagnosis.
When we discuss Side Effects of Covid Vaccines and possible risks for Pilots....particularly those who fly as a Single Pilot in an aircraft we add yet another layer to that problem.
This article can be summed up as "Everything you wanted to know.....but were afraid to ask" kind of information can lead to a flawed self diagnosis if one is not careful.
Having all or most of these symptoms should surely cause one to seek a clinical diagnosis of the causes of the symptoms rather than going it alone only.
The question for all of us....if we do have symptoms that concern us....do we voluntarily ground ourselves pending obtaining that clinical involvement and incur loss of income and other problems?
Just where do we draw the line on when we act on our own and when do we carry on until told we are safe to fly or are medically grounded by the Authority?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20352539
friend of mine (40) had his (Moderna MNRA) Covid booster and immediately started having heart issues, he lost his CAA class 2 medical, it took months, and well over £1,500 (scans, tests etc), to get it back
he had no previous heart issues and had not had Covid
he had no previous heart issues and had not had Covid
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The question of whether side-effects were inadequately known, researched and if they represented a disproportionate risk is an entirely different domain.
Let‘s keep it real and not go down a rabbit hole.
The question concerned data preventing transmission. How would there be data available demonstrating effectiveness in preventing transmission be available at rollout? The vaccines were developed and approved rapidly so data on effectiveness in preventing transmissibility is not likely to have been available. The line of questioning is unreasonable and intended to cause doubt about the approval process and reasons for it. It was to stop people dying in scenes repeated in China, Italy, Spain and NY.
The question of whether side-effects were inadequately known, researched and if they represented a disproportionate risk is an entirely different domain.
Let‘s keep it real and not go down a rabbit hole.
The question of whether side-effects were inadequately known, researched and if they represented a disproportionate risk is an entirely different domain.
Let‘s keep it real and not go down a rabbit hole.
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For the record, I’ve had a full double injection initial dose and two separate boosters. I also spent 18 months in an environment (not western world) where significant numbers of colleagues and their relatives were dying from COVID.
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This information was obtained from the Mayo Clinic Website.
No reference was made to any specific Study or Report but seemed to be based upon some general statistical data generated from standard Medical Records and standard reporting procedures.
This article contains far more information and goes into some detail re studies and research (dated August 2021) thus was based upon some fairly early studies.
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/covid-19-vaccine-safety
No reference was made to any specific Study or Report but seemed to be based upon some general statistical data generated from standard Medical Records and standard reporting procedures.
In the U.S., there has been an increase in reported cases of myocarditis and pericarditis after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination, particularly in males ages 12 to 29. Myocarditis is the inflammation of the heart muscle, while pericarditis is the inflammation of the lining outside the heart. These reports are rare.
Of the cases reported, the problem happened more often after the second dose of the COVID-19 vaccine and typically within one week of COVID-19 vaccination. Most of the people who got care felt better after receiving medicine and resting. Research also shows that there’s an increased risk for these conditions after the Novavax COVID-19vaccine is given.
Symptoms to watch for include:
If you or your child develops myocarditis or pericarditis after a dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, the CDC recommends avoiding getting another dose of any COVID-19vaccine.
Of the cases reported, the problem happened more often after the second dose of the COVID-19 vaccine and typically within one week of COVID-19 vaccination. Most of the people who got care felt better after receiving medicine and resting. Research also shows that there’s an increased risk for these conditions after the Novavax COVID-19vaccine is given.
Symptoms to watch for include:
- Chest pain
- Shortness of breath
- Feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering or pounding heart
If you or your child develops myocarditis or pericarditis after a dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, the CDC recommends avoiding getting another dose of any COVID-19vaccine.
This article contains far more information and goes into some detail re studies and research (dated August 2021) thus was based upon some fairly early studies.
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/covid-19-vaccine-safety
I have also had Covid 3x. First bout really nasty; second bout (post vaccine, post exposure) somewhat less nasty; last bout pretty unpleasant but less severe than the others.
I also know scores of people who in turn know scores of people who have not reported serious adverse side effects from the vaccines, but have had very different experiences of Covid, including two deaths.
So I’m left wondering what it is that you hope that I will wake up to before it‘s too late? Too late for what? I‘ve had the mRNA injections and Covid multiple times. What else is in store?
All that said, I appreciate Shy and Hargreaves’ input, clearly some people do have adverse reactions and that is not to be made light of.
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All that said, I appreciate Shy and Hargreaves’ input, clearly some people do have adverse reactions and that is not to be made light of.
I had the two Moderna injections, no boosters, and until the past couple of weeks have had no signs of Side Effects other than a sore arm.
The past two weeks I have had all of the symptoms listed but they seem mild and transient but I also have some other underlying health issues that could each cause what I am experiencing.
I have people within my social circle that have had Covid....some have had it twice...two people I know but did not associate with died from pneumonia related to Covid.
I based my decision on getting the injections on the risk/gain method....the vaccine might me feel bad (I refuse Annual Flu Shots due to that as I seem to get the Flu when I do take the injection but not when I do not) and considered the down side far more dangerous than the risk of really bad side effects.
I have taken the Hepatitis, Pneumonia, and Shingles jabs every time they were offered.
Hepatitis because of flying EMS, Pneumonia because I am old......and Shingles because I have never had it....and damn sure do not want it ever.
We all have different situatiions....medically and re exposure.
I just attended a football game where there were 50,000 people....none with masks...and lots of yelling and cheering going on.....and the only problem I encountered was a good dose of food poisoning from a bad sandwich.
One of the people I was with for the weekend is a Doctor and his views on the government and hospital administration reactions to the Covid Pandemic is not flattering to either.
The short version is there was a huge over reaction by both which resulted in the causing of far more harm than was necessary.
He was and remains in a very difficult situation as he is dealing with Patients daily but his Wife is battling a very aggressive case of Lung Cancer that requires her to travel monthly to Boston for treatment.
Thus limiting her exposure to Covid is a very important priority.
That weekend travel for the ball game is similar to Air Crew and Passengers traveling in close proximity to one another and why reasonable safety precautions should be carefully thought out and practiced.
The past two weeks I have had all of the symptoms listed but they seem mild and transient but I also have some other underlying health issues that could each cause what I am experiencing.
I have people within my social circle that have had Covid....some have had it twice...two people I know but did not associate with died from pneumonia related to Covid.
I based my decision on getting the injections on the risk/gain method....the vaccine might me feel bad (I refuse Annual Flu Shots due to that as I seem to get the Flu when I do take the injection but not when I do not) and considered the down side far more dangerous than the risk of really bad side effects.
I have taken the Hepatitis, Pneumonia, and Shingles jabs every time they were offered.
Hepatitis because of flying EMS, Pneumonia because I am old......and Shingles because I have never had it....and damn sure do not want it ever.
We all have different situatiions....medically and re exposure.
I just attended a football game where there were 50,000 people....none with masks...and lots of yelling and cheering going on.....and the only problem I encountered was a good dose of food poisoning from a bad sandwich.
One of the people I was with for the weekend is a Doctor and his views on the government and hospital administration reactions to the Covid Pandemic is not flattering to either.
The short version is there was a huge over reaction by both which resulted in the causing of far more harm than was necessary.
He was and remains in a very difficult situation as he is dealing with Patients daily but his Wife is battling a very aggressive case of Lung Cancer that requires her to travel monthly to Boston for treatment.
Thus limiting her exposure to Covid is a very important priority.
That weekend travel for the ball game is similar to Air Crew and Passengers traveling in close proximity to one another and why reasonable safety precautions should be carefully thought out and practiced.
And you are part of the problem. Hook, line, sinker. One day you will also wake up, just hope its not too late for you.
Bad news if you have had a reaction - I haven't after 3 vaccines and one dose (very mild a month or so after second vaccine) of Covid and nor have my two sons who are in the 'danger' zone age range and of all my aircrew and non-aircrew colleagues have had similar non-event experiences with the vaccines.
So given an obvious risk of Covid leaving you on a ventilator or worse or maybe taking a slight risk with a vaccine - I'll take the vaccine every time without hesitation.
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..So given an obvious risk of Covid leaving you on a ventilator or worse or maybe taking a slight risk with a vaccine - I'll take the vaccine every time without hesitation.
[email protected], I’m wondering why you think yer might end up on a ventilator. Are you older then 82 or obese ?..
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Hmmm.. here in Australia the average age of death from the china virus was about 82. The chances of dying from the china virus decrease dramatically as the age profile of sufferers goes below that 82 age group - unless you are obese.
[email protected], I’m wondering why you think yer might end up on a ventilator. Are you older then 82 or obese ?..
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[email protected], I’m wondering why you think yer might end up on a ventilator. Are you older then 82 or obese ?..
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In the same way it was never Spanish flu.
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212man, so, yer colleagues, they is aged in their 80’s eh..
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My flying career is over.
after a covid booster I went running and my heart rate went 200+
X-ray showed my heart was enlarged
6 weeks later it was back to normal, approaching 2 years later no recurrence.
RAF won’t even give me a twin pilot ticket for a one off incident that the NHS have said is unlikely to happen again
after a covid booster I went running and my heart rate went 200+
X-ray showed my heart was enlarged
6 weeks later it was back to normal, approaching 2 years later no recurrence.
RAF won’t even give me a twin pilot ticket for a one off incident that the NHS have said is unlikely to happen again
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