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Old 29th Sep 2021, 08:19
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Having threatened to pull out of the UK during the Brexit negotiations, I find Airbusís push to trouser UK taxes a little on the nose, added to which they didnít cover themselves in glory during the H225 incident in Norway. Leonardo have gone down their traditional route of give us the contract or Yeovil gets it.

A few years ago I did a comparison between the AW189 and the H175 for a major operator and to be honest, Iíd vote Blackhawk.
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 10:04
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat View Post
Having threatened to pull out of the UK during the Brexit negotiations, I find Airbus’s push to trouser UK taxes a little on the nose, added to which they didn’t cover themselves in glory during the H225 incident in Norway. Leonardo have gone down their traditional route of give us the contract or Yeovil gets it.

A few years ago I did a comparison between the AW189 and the H175 for a major operator and to be honest, I’d vote Blackhawk.
Me too, the other offerings are civil helicopters in green paint. Same as the 330 Puma so no change.
Surely we should be buying a military aircraft!!
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 10:36
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Watching that H175 video, I expect the incidence of airsickness among troops will be quite high.
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 11:34
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Watching that H175 video, I expect the incidence of airsickness among troops will be quite high.
And they'll get shot down a lot flying like that too.

Nothing like a vertical and predictable manoeuvre profile to make it easy to get a lead on the target even with small arms.
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 14:40
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Me too, the other offerings are civil helicopters in green paint. Same as the 330 Puma so no change.
I beg your pardon. The 330 was a pure military development. It was only when it was a success the Sud went for the civil version. Even then they had to get the cooperation of the RAF and the French Army to release aircraft for main gearbox reliability trials in 1974. It was called the Components Advanced Ageing Programme to prove that the gearbox could be TBO'd to 1,500 hrs instead of the military 800hrs. 33Sqn's was XW 203 which was required to fly 100 hrs/month to meet the programme.

It crashed during the programme whilst trying to do a self innated barrel roll.
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 16:01
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Evidence of history repeating itself?

Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
I beg your pardon. The 330 was a pure military development. It was only when it was a success the Sud went for the civil version. Even then they had to get the cooperation of the RAF and the French Army to release aircraft for main gearbox reliability trials in 1974. It was called the Components Advanced Ageing Programme to prove that the gearbox could be TBO'd to 1,500 hrs instead of the military 800hrs. 33Sqn's was XW 203 which was required to fly 100 hrs/month to meet the programme.

It crashed during the programme whilst trying to do a self innated barrel roll.
From the EC175 thread and reference to an AAIB report on a contemporary EC175 MGB issue; EC 175

The (EC 175) helicopter was undergoing scheduled maintenance to replace the main gear box (MGB), which had reached its overhaul life of 800 flying hours.

Did we just go back 50 years in time?
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 09:50
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PELITA AIR SERVICE / INDONESIA was the first civil operator, commenced operations with c/n 1082 in 1971.followed by another 18 during the early 70's, which were ( in addition to offshore work ) used to to 'move' oil / gas drilling rigs in North Sumatra whereby the average daily utilization was 12 + hours..
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 06:41
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We have movement....!!


36 to 44 aircraft, for £1 billion over 5 years - 2023 to 2028.
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 07:00
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It will inevitably be a compromise given the different roles that need to be covered, hopefully some recipients will be happy with what they get.
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 12:24
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Think that the aircraft chosen should be fully `marinised` in that it can be operated on ships,tail/blade folding,full internal corrosion protection,etc,etc.....
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 13:17
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
I built the coffee bar in 33 Sqn. at Odiham before it was reformed. I was in the front of XW 204 with Trevor Wood on its first flight from Odiham.

When I die I will go to Hell. My Squadron boss will be a lieutenant commander and the station commander will be a women.
I canít help hoping that FED ended up with none of those things happening to him. RIP Al Tait!
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 18:35
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You just hope marinating the aircraft is in the requirements ;-)

the encouraging news with recent publication is that it will be more difficult for Leonardo to wangle / blackmail a single-source contract; which has to be good news for tax payer - UK taxpayers that is, not French or ItalianÖÖ
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 18:44
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You just hope marinating the aircraft is in the requirements ;-)
Mmm lovely, helicopter marinated in its own sauce!
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 23:59
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Far too many biased and company replies on this thread! The real answer must be in what the RAF` and the combined armed forces require!
Who gets the contract MUST be decided on that! Not political issues. For Christ Sake the question is about what aircraft is the best one for our armed services NOT what is the best Political answer!

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Old 13th Nov 2021, 02:14
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I can’t help hoping that FED ended up with none of those things happening to him. RIP Al Tait!
If you are "downstairs" FED, I know you will be enjoying a drink and a smoke and amusing people with your experience. I thoroughly enjoyed every hour we spent flying together in the S-76 at ND, you were a consummate professional and a gentleman.
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 06:32
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The real answer must be in what the RAF` and the combined armed forces require!
That has never happened in the history of RAF procurement - why should they start now?

We would have been flying Blackhawks since the 80's if we had been given what we needed.
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 07:14
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
EESDL

Mmm lovely, helicopter marinated in its own sauce!
Iíve got this vision of the NMH floating in a pot of optional extrasÖ..
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Old 25th Nov 2021, 23:14
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Originally Posted by Cyclic Hotline View Post
The (EC 175) helicopter was undergoing scheduled maintenance to replace the main gear box (MGB), which had reached its overhaul life of 800 flying hours.

Did we just go back 50 years in time?
Evidence of history repeating itself?
It started with 800, not TBO at 800.
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Old 26th Nov 2021, 11:23
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Originally Posted by Mee3 View Post
It started with 800, not TBO at 800.
Is it just me, but I don't understand what that means, or is it semantics? 800 hours was the time at which the MGB had to be removed for overhaul - how is that different to TBO? What does "started with" mean?
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Old 26th Nov 2021, 13:26
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Originally Posted by 212man View Post
Is it just me, but I don't understand what that means, or is it semantics? 800 hours was the time at which the MGB had to be removed for overhaul - how is that different to TBO? What does "started with" mean?
It was EIS with 800 but gaining more every year.
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