Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Rotorheads
Reload this Page >

RAF announces Puma Replacement plan

Wikiposts
Search
Rotorheads A haven for helicopter professionals to discuss the things that affect them

RAF announces Puma Replacement plan

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 29th Sep 2021, 08:19
  #101 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: GMT
Age: 53
Posts: 2,071
Received 187 Likes on 71 Posts
Having threatened to pull out of the UK during the Brexit negotiations, I find Airbus’s push to trouser UK taxes a little on the nose, added to which they didn’t cover themselves in glory during the H225 incident in Norway. Leonardo have gone down their traditional route of give us the contract or Yeovil gets it.

A few years ago I did a comparison between the AW189 and the H175 for a major operator and to be honest, I’d vote Blackhawk.
minigundiplomat is offline  
Old 29th Sep 2021, 10:04
  #102 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: England
Posts: 1,459
Received 34 Likes on 20 Posts
Originally Posted by minigundiplomat
Having threatened to pull out of the UK during the Brexit negotiations, I find Airbus’s push to trouser UK taxes a little on the nose, added to which they didn’t cover themselves in glory during the H225 incident in Norway. Leonardo have gone down their traditional route of give us the contract or Yeovil gets it.

A few years ago I did a comparison between the AW189 and the H175 for a major operator and to be honest, I’d vote Blackhawk.
Me too, the other offerings are civil helicopters in green paint. Same as the 330 Puma so no change.
Surely we should be buying a military aircraft!!
ericferret is offline  
Old 29th Sep 2021, 10:36
  #103 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Inside the Industry
Posts: 876
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Watching that H175 video, I expect the incidence of airsickness among troops will be quite high.
industry insider is offline  
Old 29th Sep 2021, 11:34
  #104 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: EGDC
Posts: 10,332
Received 623 Likes on 271 Posts
Watching that H175 video, I expect the incidence of airsickness among troops will be quite high.
And they'll get shot down a lot flying like that too.

Nothing like a vertical and predictable manoeuvre profile to make it easy to get a lead on the target even with small arms.
crab@SAAvn.co.uk is offline  
Old 29th Sep 2021, 14:40
  #105 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 5,222
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Me too, the other offerings are civil helicopters in green paint. Same as the 330 Puma so no change.
I beg your pardon. The 330 was a pure military development. It was only when it was a success the Sud went for the civil version. Even then they had to get the cooperation of the RAF and the French Army to release aircraft for main gearbox reliability trials in 1974. It was called the Components Advanced Ageing Programme to prove that the gearbox could be TBO'd to 1,500 hrs instead of the military 800hrs. 33Sqn's was XW 203 which was required to fly 100 hrs/month to meet the programme.

It crashed during the programme whilst trying to do a self innated barrel roll.
Fareastdriver is offline  
Old 29th Sep 2021, 16:01
  #106 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Beyond the black stump!
Posts: 1,419
Received 15 Likes on 8 Posts
Evidence of history repeating itself?

Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
I beg your pardon. The 330 was a pure military development. It was only when it was a success the Sud went for the civil version. Even then they had to get the cooperation of the RAF and the French Army to release aircraft for main gearbox reliability trials in 1974. It was called the Components Advanced Ageing Programme to prove that the gearbox could be TBO'd to 1,500 hrs instead of the military 800hrs. 33Sqn's was XW 203 which was required to fly 100 hrs/month to meet the programme.

It crashed during the programme whilst trying to do a self innated barrel roll.
From the EC175 thread and reference to an AAIB report on a contemporary EC175 MGB issue; EC 175

The (EC 175) helicopter was undergoing scheduled maintenance to replace the main gear box (MGB), which had reached its overhaul life of 800 flying hours.

Did we just go back 50 years in time?
Cyclic Hotline is offline  
Old 7th Oct 2021, 09:50
  #107 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: across the equator
Age: 79
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
PELITA AIR SERVICE / INDONESIA was the first civil operator, commenced operations with c/n 1082 in 1971.followed by another 18 during the early 70's, which were ( in addition to offshore work ) used to to 'move' oil / gas drilling rigs in North Sumatra whereby the average daily utilization was 12 + hours..
BedakSrewet is offline  
Old 12th Nov 2021, 06:41
  #108 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,133
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts
We have movement....!!


36 to 44 aircraft, for £1 billion over 5 years - 2023 to 2028.
melmothtw is offline  
Old 12th Nov 2021, 07:00
  #109 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: EGDC
Posts: 10,332
Received 623 Likes on 271 Posts
It will inevitably be a compromise given the different roles that need to be covered, hopefully some recipients will be happy with what they get.
crab@SAAvn.co.uk is offline  
Old 12th Nov 2021, 12:24
  #110 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: east ESSEX
Posts: 4,671
Received 70 Likes on 45 Posts
Think that the aircraft chosen should be fully `marinised` in that it can be operated on ships,tail/blade folding,full internal corrosion protection,etc,etc.....
sycamore is offline  
Old 12th Nov 2021, 13:17
  #111 (permalink)  

Avoid imitations
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Wandering the FIR and cyberspace often at highly unsociable times
Posts: 14,576
Received 425 Likes on 224 Posts
Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
I built the coffee bar in 33 Sqn. at Odiham before it was reformed. I was in the front of XW 204 with Trevor Wood on its first flight from Odiham.

When I die I will go to Hell. My Squadron boss will be a lieutenant commander and the station commander will be a women.
I can’t help hoping that FED ended up with none of those things happening to him. RIP Al Tait!
ShyTorque is online now  
Old 12th Nov 2021, 18:35
  #112 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Used to be God's own County
Posts: 1,719
Received 14 Likes on 10 Posts
You just hope marinating the aircraft is in the requirements ;-)

the encouraging news with recent publication is that it will be more difficult for Leonardo to wangle / blackmail a single-source contract; which has to be good news for tax payer - UK taxpayers that is, not French or Italian……
Ladies and Gentlemen - The AceHawk ML-70
EESDL is offline  
Old 12th Nov 2021, 18:44
  #113 (permalink)  

Avoid imitations
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Wandering the FIR and cyberspace often at highly unsociable times
Posts: 14,576
Received 425 Likes on 224 Posts
EESDL
You just hope marinating the aircraft is in the requirements ;-)
Mmm lovely, helicopter marinated in its own sauce!
ShyTorque is online now  
Old 12th Nov 2021, 23:59
  #114 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bristol
Posts: 406
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Far too many biased and company replies on this thread! The real answer must be in what the RAF` and the combined armed forces require!
Who gets the contract MUST be decided on that! Not political issues. For Christ Sake the question is about what aircraft is the best one for our armed services NOT what is the best Political answer!

TF
tigerfish is offline  
Old 13th Nov 2021, 02:14
  #115 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Inside the Industry
Posts: 876
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I can’t help hoping that FED ended up with none of those things happening to him. RIP Al Tait!
If you are "downstairs" FED, I know you will be enjoying a drink and a smoke and amusing people with your experience. I thoroughly enjoyed every hour we spent flying together in the S-76 at ND, you were a consummate professional and a gentleman.
industry insider is offline  
Old 13th Nov 2021, 06:32
  #116 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: EGDC
Posts: 10,332
Received 623 Likes on 271 Posts
The real answer must be in what the RAF` and the combined armed forces require!
That has never happened in the history of RAF procurement - why should they start now?

We would have been flying Blackhawks since the 80's if we had been given what we needed.
crab@SAAvn.co.uk is offline  
Old 13th Nov 2021, 07:14
  #117 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Used to be God's own County
Posts: 1,719
Received 14 Likes on 10 Posts
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
EESDL

Mmm lovely, helicopter marinated in its own sauce!
I’ve got this vision of the NMH floating in a pot of optional extras…..
EESDL is offline  
Old 25th Nov 2021, 23:14
  #118 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: NW
Posts: 143
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by Cyclic Hotline
The (EC 175) helicopter was undergoing scheduled maintenance to replace the main gear box (MGB), which had reached its overhaul life of 800 flying hours.

Did we just go back 50 years in time?
Evidence of history repeating itself?
It started with 800, not TBO at 800.
Mee3 is offline  
Old 26th Nov 2021, 11:23
  #119 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Den Haag
Age: 57
Posts: 6,266
Received 336 Likes on 188 Posts
Originally Posted by Mee3
It started with 800, not TBO at 800.
Is it just me, but I don't understand what that means, or is it semantics? 800 hours was the time at which the MGB had to be removed for overhaul - how is that different to TBO? What does "started with" mean?
212man is offline  
Old 26th Nov 2021, 13:26
  #120 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: NW
Posts: 143
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by 212man
Is it just me, but I don't understand what that means, or is it semantics? 800 hours was the time at which the MGB had to be removed for overhaul - how is that different to TBO? What does "started with" mean?
It was EIS with 800 but gaining more every year.
Mee3 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.