Is this an accident waiting to happen?
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This is a reply from McGreggoruk (a passenger who posted the video) to criticism left on the comments panel;
He, (McGreggorUK) also has this to say in his You Tube Channel listing;
At 04:46 in the video, the pilot brags "I'm a bad guy!".
Thanks for the comments so far guys, I guess you're all saying it was a bad idea to egg him on then?! :P Hate to say this, but the guy was doing this all day long with every ride, unless the passenger's didn't want "emotion". We saw it buzzing around day after day beforehand, so I thought it must be safe enough as he hadn't fallen out of the sky by then.
I'm sure it's still being flown around like this to this day...
(P.S dont tell my wife any of this!)
McGreggoruk 1 day ago
I'm sure it's still being flown around like this to this day...
(P.S dont tell my wife any of this!)
McGreggoruk 1 day ago
From: McGreggoruk | Jan 16, 2011 | 2,641 views
15th Jan 2011 - Purto Seguro, Bahia, Brazil
For a R$100 each we got a 12Km ride in a chopper off the beach. Fantastic views of the beach, mainland and sea travelling north, before turning back and scaring us all half to death.. They did ask if we wanted "emotion" or not and of course we asked for all they could give......
The helicopter is a robinson - which I've heard runs off a piston engine like a car, and I think is the cheapest helicopter to buy, which didn't fill me with confidence, but we'd seen it buzzing around for the past couple of days without much trouble. At one point after we dive low to the sea, a warning light and alarm came on for "low rpm" which you can see in the vid! I did have my heart in my mouth at that point!!!
As you can see from the vid, there's not much health and saftey in brasil, as we waited for our flight, one of the beach vendors selling kites walked right next to the helipad with 5 kites in the sky!!
Overall the best adrenaline kick for 40 quid!
15th Jan 2011 - Purto Seguro, Bahia, Brazil
For a R$100 each we got a 12Km ride in a chopper off the beach. Fantastic views of the beach, mainland and sea travelling north, before turning back and scaring us all half to death.. They did ask if we wanted "emotion" or not and of course we asked for all they could give......
The helicopter is a robinson - which I've heard runs off a piston engine like a car, and I think is the cheapest helicopter to buy, which didn't fill me with confidence, but we'd seen it buzzing around for the past couple of days without much trouble. At one point after we dive low to the sea, a warning light and alarm came on for "low rpm" which you can see in the vid! I did have my heart in my mouth at that point!!!
As you can see from the vid, there's not much health and saftey in brasil, as we waited for our flight, one of the beach vendors selling kites walked right next to the helipad with 5 kites in the sky!!
Overall the best adrenaline kick for 40 quid!
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The helicopter flies out of Tao Tao beach in Porto Seguro, Brazil and apparently is operated by Goldenfly Táxi Aéreo.
Search YouTube for keywords "helicoptero" and "Porto Seguro" and you will find lots of videos showing this tail number.
If you do this, you might notice that: 1). Air ops seem pretty lax, and 2). there are a lot of beautiful women in string bikinis in Brasil.
Search YouTube for keywords "helicoptero" and "Porto Seguro" and you will find lots of videos showing this tail number.
If you do this, you might notice that: 1). Air ops seem pretty lax, and 2). there are a lot of beautiful women in string bikinis in Brasil.
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I don't think this is an accident waiting to happen. Infact the pilot appeared very experienced and skillful to me. He minimised the take off and landing path over the few people on the beach, aparently he had been doing it all day and no problems with the machine or his skill. AH on the pi55, so what?. Low RRPM going off occasionally, so what? perhaps the clutch light flashed a few times too. SO WHAT? Negative G push over? now if that was true I would agree but I did not see any, looked all positive G to me.
Why is it you are all quick to judge and condem others who are harmlessly enjoying them selves. If you don't want to show boat, then don't. But please, if others do it and do it safely, as was the case here, then so what?
Why is it you are all quick to judge and condem others who are harmlessly enjoying them selves. If you don't want to show boat, then don't. But please, if others do it and do it safely, as was the case here, then so what?
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chopjock,
I'm sure there shall be a few who will wish to disagree with your comments but I don't really want to get drawn into this particular debate as it all seems strangely reminiscent of previous threads that have generated consternation.
I'd only like to point out that the comment I made about an apparently non-functioning AH was in relation to a separate video that demonstrated an R44 heading straight into IMC.
Simon
I'm sure there shall be a few who will wish to disagree with your comments but I don't really want to get drawn into this particular debate as it all seems strangely reminiscent of previous threads that have generated consternation.
I'd only like to point out that the comment I made about an apparently non-functioning AH was in relation to a separate video that demonstrated an R44 heading straight into IMC.
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Gotta get me some of those beads.
You can't throw rocks at the pilot heading towards "a wall of rain" or "IMC". There's no way you can quantify the viz from a grainy you tube posting. I'd rather be in a low viz scenario in the mountains than over flat old blighty
You can't throw rocks at the pilot heading towards "a wall of rain" or "IMC". There's no way you can quantify the viz from a grainy you tube posting. I'd rather be in a low viz scenario in the mountains than over flat old blighty
Low RRPM going off occasionally, so what? perhaps the clutch light flashed a few times too.
Have you ever flown a Robinson?
There are plenty of people out here in the bush who fly like that when they start out. Some eventually get a clue, the rest of them die.
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chopjock - I don't know you, and don't wish to appear rude, but you've shown, in previous posts on other threads, to have what some may call "interesting" judgement. I've no desire to preach but reading, in detail, the http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/446...iscussion.html (which I note you made just one, rather agressive, comment on) might stand you in good stead for staying alive longer in aviation than your attitude on pprune, if taken into the air, would give hope for.
That particular thread (which has pretty much run its course) is an excellent example of everything that pprune attempts to achieve. It's brought many emotions to a height; raised numerous questions; caused professionals & amateurs to dig deep in explaining carefully how & why people choose to fly in a certain manner; will almost certainly be used to enhance CRM courses around the world; will help to educate many others with some good guidance in ways of staying alive in this wokka-wokka world; and, in the end, has brought those heightened emotions back down to a safe landing. It has NOT written the accident report, but it has already helped both experienced & less-experienced (I'd suggest in equal measure) to polish their attitude to risky flying.
The beach pilot shown on this thread, if the video was shown to his insurance assessor, would find his premiums going up at a minimum, IMHO.
How pilots choose to fly on their own is completely up to them - so long as they don't kill anyone else doing it. Your comment about taking off & landing over the beach is fine - it's not the pilots fault that the authorities obviously allow a helipad right next to sunbathers, & you should see the approach to St Maarten airport! However, if you're taking money to fly passengers, you can provide a massive thrill, responsibly, especially to anyone who's not flown in a helicopter before, with far less risk than has been shown here. I'd suggest that anyone who has a minimal understanding of the risks, would not be shelling out £40 for a possible early appointment with the grim reaper!
That particular thread (which has pretty much run its course) is an excellent example of everything that pprune attempts to achieve. It's brought many emotions to a height; raised numerous questions; caused professionals & amateurs to dig deep in explaining carefully how & why people choose to fly in a certain manner; will almost certainly be used to enhance CRM courses around the world; will help to educate many others with some good guidance in ways of staying alive in this wokka-wokka world; and, in the end, has brought those heightened emotions back down to a safe landing. It has NOT written the accident report, but it has already helped both experienced & less-experienced (I'd suggest in equal measure) to polish their attitude to risky flying.
The beach pilot shown on this thread, if the video was shown to his insurance assessor, would find his premiums going up at a minimum, IMHO.
How pilots choose to fly on their own is completely up to them - so long as they don't kill anyone else doing it. Your comment about taking off & landing over the beach is fine - it's not the pilots fault that the authorities obviously allow a helipad right next to sunbathers, & you should see the approach to St Maarten airport! However, if you're taking money to fly passengers, you can provide a massive thrill, responsibly, especially to anyone who's not flown in a helicopter before, with far less risk than has been shown here. I'd suggest that anyone who has a minimal understanding of the risks, would not be shelling out £40 for a possible early appointment with the grim reaper!
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It amazes me that there always seems to be someone ready to defend the indefensible. If you had any credibility chopjock (your choice of a username indicates otherwise) then you've just lost it.
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Chopjock:
"if others do it and do it safely, as was the case here,"
I think this is the point that most people disagree with - the majority opinion is that it was done dangerously, not safely.
There is no absolute right and wrong here, just as in the case of the law, but surely you must accept that if the vast majority of people who a) express an opinion and b) have any idea of what they are talking about think that this pilot is a tadge casual as to the safety of his unsuspecting, presumably fare-paying passengers, then there is something in it?
"if others do it and do it safely, as was the case here,"
I think this is the point that most people disagree with - the majority opinion is that it was done dangerously, not safely.
There is no absolute right and wrong here, just as in the case of the law, but surely you must accept that if the vast majority of people who a) express an opinion and b) have any idea of what they are talking about think that this pilot is a tadge casual as to the safety of his unsuspecting, presumably fare-paying passengers, then there is something in it?
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"That particular thread (which has pretty much run its course) is an excellent example of everything that PPRuNe attempts to achieve."
You are joking???? It's a rumour network - read the words. There are plenty of professional groups to achieve safety and constructive stuff.....this is a mere gossip site!
cheers,
DD
You are joking???? It's a rumour network - read the words. There are plenty of professional groups to achieve safety and constructive stuff.....this is a mere gossip site!
cheers,
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I'm back in brazil after having lived many years abroad, and unfortunately I've found out we've got many of these idiots here, due to bad training methods/habits.
90 degree banks
low G push over
And i'll bet anything over that the a/c didnt have floats, and the jackass was flying over the water past gliding distance.
and on and on...
90 degree banks
low G push over
And i'll bet anything over that the a/c didnt have floats, and the jackass was flying over the water past gliding distance.
and on and on...
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Well done chopchop...
You have now managed to prove that in all of your post across all of the topics you are a complete *rse.
Its amazing that when ever some one starts a good post or a decent topic of conversation you come along and make some stupid half assed comment which changes the course of the thread. Maybe the mods should send you the same place they did with philspace. Unless you are one of the same. You need to either sod off or the mods need to do their jobs a little better.
You have now managed to prove that in all of your post across all of the topics you are a complete *rse.
Its amazing that when ever some one starts a good post or a decent topic of conversation you come along and make some stupid half assed comment which changes the course of the thread. Maybe the mods should send you the same place they did with philspace. Unless you are one of the same. You need to either sod off or the mods need to do their jobs a little better.
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PO Dust Devil - No, I'm not joking. Whilst you are quite correct in that this forum was, originally, a rumour network, I think you'll agree that's it has matured into something a lot more advanced than just rumour? Even now, what starts as rumour, or comment, is often based on fact and invariably attracts, or invites, further comment. Sometimes those comments are sensible - others are sadly unwise, or even foolish.
In order to assist the unwary from falling into the trap of fools, it often falls to the more professional contributors to add sensible comments or advice, to balance those with less experience &/or understanding - or even, in some cases, to shoot down the idiots!
PPRuNe benefits all when these discussions mature, as the Cumbria discussion has shown, IMHO. Yes, will be detractors and people trying to dig deeper into an issue, including press, such is the nature of an anonymous, www, forum. Sensible posters remain aware & wary, some as a result of experience, others from remembering the, red, large font warning - As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.
Despite this, PPRuNe has become a place where many, from the young & inexperienced to those with a lifetime in aviation, can ask & receive advice, or share experience, with more industry contributors (& sadly a few other, un-filtered, individuals) than they could expect anywhere else - & it's also worldwide and as sustainable & safe as any of your
Smell the roses - as an online Flight Safety forum (so long as you can read though some of the "fluff" that's posted) many regard pprune as second to none.
In order to assist the unwary from falling into the trap of fools, it often falls to the more professional contributors to add sensible comments or advice, to balance those with less experience &/or understanding - or even, in some cases, to shoot down the idiots!
PPRuNe benefits all when these discussions mature, as the Cumbria discussion has shown, IMHO. Yes, will be detractors and people trying to dig deeper into an issue, including press, such is the nature of an anonymous, www, forum. Sensible posters remain aware & wary, some as a result of experience, others from remembering the, red, large font warning - As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.Despite this, PPRuNe has become a place where many, from the young & inexperienced to those with a lifetime in aviation, can ask & receive advice, or share experience, with more industry contributors (& sadly a few other, un-filtered, individuals) than they could expect anywhere else - & it's also worldwide and as sustainable & safe as any of your
plenty of professional groups to achieve safety and constructive stuff
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I hope you all agree that should he have worn proper footware, and flying all day, it would appear as if he was wearing white socks while bragging at the bar at night.
We all know what a major turn off this is for the skimpy bikini clad girls
We all know what a major turn off this is for the skimpy bikini clad girls
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I don't think that there is anything good about the video, some of us chaff a bit about officialdom when it comes to setting up and regulating commercial activities, but this clip shows why we all have to go through it.
Hopefully he will be jerked by the local authority soon. I'd love to see the sequal a youtube of the ramp check.
On the other hand even though it's no solace, at least the fringe lunatics are not confined to the IPCC and the OZ mustering industry.
Even so we here had another reminder last night on our ABC, with one Ben Tapp showing us all how not to control a helicopter - or muster cows.
tet
Hopefully he will be jerked by the local authority soon. I'd love to see the sequal a youtube of the ramp check.
On the other hand even though it's no solace, at least the fringe lunatics are not confined to the IPCC and the OZ mustering industry.
Even so we here had another reminder last night on our ABC, with one Ben Tapp showing us all how not to control a helicopter - or muster cows.
tet
I think you all ruin the case by over doing some of the trivial points being made . Why not just stick to the BIG safety issues and not get petty ...this is not filmed in the uK with the CAA making daft rules . I dont really care about the taking off over people on the beach , dont care about flying with the left hand ( whats wrong with that ?? If i am drinking /smoking /on phone ..i often fly with left hand . ) Even doing a steep turn is not a hanging offence ....or even flying bare foot !!!! I also think most of his flight was within distance to ditch in shallow water which is probably what you would want to do with a beach full of people .
I would not fly with him because i didnt feel he was a safe pilot.. beacause of the warning lights and push overs ...that is plenty for me !!!. The rest is not in itself dangerous , other than boing in a robinson .. ( maybe turn was a bit steep but cant prove from a video ) I would also agree that no loose clothing is a must with doors off .
I would not fly with him because i didnt feel he was a safe pilot.. beacause of the warning lights and push overs ...that is plenty for me !!!. The rest is not in itself dangerous , other than boing in a robinson .. ( maybe turn was a bit steep but cant prove from a video ) I would also agree that no loose clothing is a must with doors off .