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Aser 24th Mar 2011 13:39

Is this an accident waiting to happen?
 
:=:=:=

Regards
Aser

jemax 24th Mar 2011 13:56

Is that the low rotor horn at 3:17 ?!?!!!

Plus just looked at it blown up big screen, manifold pressure is miles over the limit, just unbelievable

Nubian 24th Mar 2011 15:25


Is that the low rotor horn at 3:17
Yes it is...

And the pax didn't know how appropriate their screaming was during those push-overs:eek:

helisdw 24th Mar 2011 23:40

Seeing as we're looking at 'interesting' R44 flights, may I offer this video that I recently came across...


Bearing in mind some of the comments made in a recent thread about weather and captaincy decisions, this particular flight makes me a little nervous. I think the comments of the person that posted the video on YouTube are quite illuminating: "This one was scary! In fact it was so scary that I turned off my camera and was holding the metal bar until it was over..."

Simon

whatsarunway 25th Mar 2011 00:44

someone should take that bare foot pilot aside and have a word with him, i would have thought flying was exciting enough for most passengers without having to show off like that, as for the lowG low RRPM manifold pressure maxed. thats just as aser said, an accident waiting to happen. . . .

212man 25th Mar 2011 02:25


Bearing in mind some of the comments made in a recent thread about weather and captaincy decisions, this particular flight makes me a little nervous. I think the comments of the person that posted the video on YouTube are quite illuminating
Unbelievable! So many options present prior to going IMC with turbulence (instrument rated??)!!

Scissorlink 25th Mar 2011 02:40

He should do his seat belt up so his body stays in the wreck

mickjoebill 25th Mar 2011 03:16

Holy Mary.........
 
No sign of life vests, maybe the Rosary beads hanging from the compass is deemed better protection!


mickjoebill

FauxZ 25th Mar 2011 03:46

Besides all that, I see lots of floppy hats with doors off.

Non-PC Plod 25th Mar 2011 06:00

So waht could possibly go wrong, low level over the sea in a single-engined aircraft with no lifejackets or flotation gear, wearing floppy hats, doors off and no shoes, and maxing out the engine? Looks like the perfect health & safety plan!

P1DRIVER 25th Mar 2011 07:17

NPCP


So waht could possibly go wrong, low level over the sea in a single-engined aircraft with no lifejackets or flotation gear, wearing floppy hats, doors off and no shoes, and maxing out the engine? Looks like the perfect health & safety plan!


You missed out RAISING the Collective to the Low R rpm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
(thats when the MAP was exceeded)


ps. No Anti Col. light on either.

P1

helisdw 25th Mar 2011 08:43

212,

Quite agree - options appear to steadily decrease as the the flight continues. In particular, the rising ground on either side would make a 180 turn (if you believe in such a thing once in IMC) increasingly risky.

It might be the perspective of the video, or the position it is taken from, but it also appears the AI has not been set/caged - early in the clip despite apparent S+L flight, there is a definite slant in the horizon. Given the impending weather, it could prove quite instrumental (pardon the pun) in determining the outcome...

Simon

Thomas coupling 25th Mar 2011 08:57

Why is it that people like this rub salt into the wound by not only behaving in a very unprofessional manner, but also by advertising it on YT?
It is almost as if they are desperate for attention in any shape or form no matter what the consequences.
YT must be the downfall of many an illustrious operator, surely..............:mad:

What this mode of communication (YT, or its equivalent) )has done more than anything else, is elevate the existence of such crass stupidity, magnifying what appears to be gross negligence in some corners of the GA world. Either way it brings to the front, what goes on out there.

It's akin to: are there more murders now, in this modern world, or is the reporting process of the SAME number of murders, better?

toptobottom 25th Mar 2011 09:06

Looks like MP was at about 24/25 when the horn sounds. Maybe the pilot (sic) was gripping the collective too tightly and over-rode the governor? Which might indicate he was not quite as 'cool' as he wanted his pax to think. In other words, he was as scared as them! :eek:

OvertHawk 25th Mar 2011 11:11

I thought the departure and arrival over the heads of folk on the beach was good as well - will give a nice soft landing when the over-pressured engine gives out!:ugh:

I think a considerably bigger Rosary is required (although that one is a useful indicator during the low-g pushovers).:}

*shakes head sadly
OH

Cows getting bigger 25th Mar 2011 11:44

I quite liked the left hand on cyclic, right hand on door frame bit.

and the rotor rpm
and the pushovers
and the seatbelt
and the MAP limit
and
and

SilsoeSid 25th Mar 2011 12:38

I think it is taken that this is indeed an accident waiting to happen.

So instead of simply listing the faults, would one of you Robinson chaps like to try and get in touch with the operator and express your concerns by perhaps informing them that the swiss cheese holes are lining up rapidly, before we start reading here about crashes and deaths.

It may be best to do it by e-mail so there is a message trail that the families of those killed can use to get compensation !

Thanks
SS

Cornish Jack 25th Mar 2011 14:07

What?? Accident??? Nah - couldn't happen. Didn't you see the protective necklace thingy with the dangly bit to keep 'em safe??
However, should the unthinkable happen, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch - the Darwin Award awaits.:mad::mad::mad:

HeloDrvr 25th Mar 2011 14:36

I agree that this needs to be brought to someone's attention, but perhaps more than the operator.
It's a little reminiscent of a certain 407 in South Africa-? that performed a few loops and rolls at an airshow.

This too is outside the normal operating envelope and as mentioned, captured many exceedances as well. Although not quite as extreme as full aerobatics, there are innocent, unknowing passengers aboard so the repurcussions could be much more unfortunate.
The 407 footage made its way to Bell and it cost the owner quite a bit of money. I heard around $1mill USD from some folks at Bell.

Perhaps, a Robinson operator on here has a good contact at the factory to send a link, anonymously or not.

Mungo5 25th Mar 2011 17:10

On the bright side, at least when the NTSB/AAIB recover the breakage, there's bound to be an SD card in their somewhere with all the pax video on it.

Senseless.. :ugh:


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