Cleveland Police go it alone!!!!!!!!
biased or what?
I have been watching the vitreol etched on these threads by Wright & props for a while now. Never have I come across such biased and totally anti rotarycomments before.
My suspicions might well be wrong, but I would invite them to deney any connection with the earlier fixed wing operation that Cleveland used to employ. It finished with a great deal of anger by those involved and for some reason I suspect a cross over here!
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My suspicions might well be wrong, but I would invite them to deney any connection with the earlier fixed wing operation that Cleveland used to employ. It finished with a great deal of anger by those involved and for some reason I suspect a cross over here!
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2 a/c 15mins apart and they are sacking 230 cops!
Degrade, Your new here, we all know what its like at Sleepy Hollow, there have been more than 40 drivers through the doors over the years as well as probably a smaller amount of observers for various reasons including Tenure, and most have left of their own accord, granted some were pushed. Didnt PAS start bonding due to it? Props doesnt make it up and he tells me he's too old to be bitter, ask anyone who has worked there, or maybe they dont want to talk about the experience. Just because we are questioning the cost of the current operation doesnt mean we are anti-rotary?
The best value team from Northumbria Police didnt make come to the conclusion that 1 a/c could easily cover the southern Cleveland area over a cuppa. It was looked at closely pver a few months, but rejected by Councillor McLuckie at the meeting between Cleveland and Northumbria, whose officers walked out infront of the waiting press.
Once someone higher up realises that the new Northumbria a/c can easily cover the small county further south the better, and Cleveland Police might not be sacking 230 experienced cops which they are in the process of if they sorted their resources out better. Lets face it, its only 15mins travelling time to Cleveland from Newcastle. Move the new G-CPAS somewhere were it is needed down south, its got to be busier.
As for me being anti rotary-I dont think so but thanks for fishing. Its all about using what little money there is better. Isnt that what NPAS is all about? Use the Northumbria a/c as cover which is what the old consortium bosses suggested, and save the 230 troops on the ground who are currently being sacked in Cleveland. I pity those guys with a family and mortgage
The best value team from Northumbria Police didnt make come to the conclusion that 1 a/c could easily cover the southern Cleveland area over a cuppa. It was looked at closely pver a few months, but rejected by Councillor McLuckie at the meeting between Cleveland and Northumbria, whose officers walked out infront of the waiting press.
Once someone higher up realises that the new Northumbria a/c can easily cover the small county further south the better, and Cleveland Police might not be sacking 230 experienced cops which they are in the process of if they sorted their resources out better. Lets face it, its only 15mins travelling time to Cleveland from Newcastle. Move the new G-CPAS somewhere were it is needed down south, its got to be busier.
As for me being anti rotary-I dont think so but thanks for fishing. Its all about using what little money there is better. Isnt that what NPAS is all about? Use the Northumbria a/c as cover which is what the old consortium bosses suggested, and save the 230 troops on the ground who are currently being sacked in Cleveland. I pity those guys with a family and mortgage
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Wright123 I did not say you were anti rotary read my post. Not some one elses.
Yes I am reasonably new here as in pprune but "sleepy hollow" I have been here since day 1 when the Plank was replaced so I have a handle on what has and is happening here.. More like 25mins from Newcastle, who might take a bit longer to get to scarborough etc. And I had a mortgage and kids when they wanted to chop a cab, Im certainly glad they didn't. anyway off to bed only a few lock ups last night which would not have happened without g cpas..............
Yes I am reasonably new here as in pprune but "sleepy hollow" I have been here since day 1 when the Plank was replaced so I have a handle on what has and is happening here.. More like 25mins from Newcastle, who might take a bit longer to get to scarborough etc. And I had a mortgage and kids when they wanted to chop a cab, Im certainly glad they didn't. anyway off to bed only a few lock ups last night which would not have happened without g cpas..............
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... and thats without paying the 30yr service observers who are on more than a pilot with their overtime ...
which is usually to do with staffing levels or covering sickness etc,
isn't a Police Officer with 12 years service on the same wages as one with 30 years ?
A number of forces, due to the cut backs, are now removing the opportunity to retain such experience beyond 30 yrs completely.
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I suggest you take your blinkers off when it comes to what goes on up north, as it might be different down south, but to me its a waste of money.
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....Degrade.... ah yes another classic EC135 one line fadec failure.
I noticed that you have changed your sacked comment line to "lost your job" line since last night. Was that under official UEO's guidance or a pc's watchful eye.
I think you will find trying to identify any poster such as Props Stopped on this site will land you in hot water, as I have had my wrist publicly smacked by a moderator in the past for doing the same.
I dont know Props as never made it upto the northern bases but He seems to have a handle on whats happening up north from the official web links he's posted.
Have you been given the nod from powers on high at Cleveland to discuss matters regarding the unit on the phone as "you say" give the unit a call to discuss it with You, or should such a matter be passed onto the UEO or press office? Its not allowed down south.
We are not in the army now you know, and there is a line of command in the police which they do like to follow for discussing such things about Units
I've googled the same cleveland police articles Props added after hearing a few horror stories while at Stav and Oxford airports about the regimes up north and the links are all there to see.
I know it was the norm to take a Gazelle into kids schools in the past as HM was paying for it, and you could always put it down as a nav ex, but the trouble is those very young kids will have forgotten what the police helicopter can do ten years later when they are teenagers.
Mickjoebill, I have no official costs from my friends at Oxford but maybe someone from ECUK can provide the Police role equipment costs as I know they follow this site, and they are the people sending out the bills.
I noticed that you have changed your sacked comment line to "lost your job" line since last night. Was that under official UEO's guidance or a pc's watchful eye.
I think you will find trying to identify any poster such as Props Stopped on this site will land you in hot water, as I have had my wrist publicly smacked by a moderator in the past for doing the same.
I dont know Props as never made it upto the northern bases but He seems to have a handle on whats happening up north from the official web links he's posted.
Have you been given the nod from powers on high at Cleveland to discuss matters regarding the unit on the phone as "you say" give the unit a call to discuss it with You, or should such a matter be passed onto the UEO or press office? Its not allowed down south.
We are not in the army now you know, and there is a line of command in the police which they do like to follow for discussing such things about Units
I've googled the same cleveland police articles Props added after hearing a few horror stories while at Stav and Oxford airports about the regimes up north and the links are all there to see.
I know it was the norm to take a Gazelle into kids schools in the past as HM was paying for it, and you could always put it down as a nav ex, but the trouble is those very young kids will have forgotten what the police helicopter can do ten years later when they are teenagers.
Mickjoebill, I have no official costs from my friends at Oxford but maybe someone from ECUK can provide the Police role equipment costs as I know they follow this site, and they are the people sending out the bills.
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Community policing - not.
Some more facts on money well spent on policing, or not?
George Orwell's 1984 springs to mind here using the Cleveland Helicopter for 90 minutes as reported here!
The photo speaks volumes.
"The group also argue that the scrambling of a police helicopter was a “waste of taxpayers’ money”.
More facts over 2 pages of the Evening Gazette:
Community policing at its best, think of the overtime which is also mentioned in the comments pages at the bottom of the article.
Saltburn 'rave': Party-goers and police speak - Local News - News - Gazette Live
George Orwell's 1984 springs to mind here using the Cleveland Helicopter for 90 minutes as reported here!
The photo speaks volumes.
The police helicopter was said to be out for an hour and a half. James said: “It costs a fortune to get the helicopter out and there’s no need.”
"The group also argue that the scrambling of a police helicopter was a “waste of taxpayers’ money”.
More facts over 2 pages of the Evening Gazette:
Community policing at its best, think of the overtime which is also mentioned in the comments pages at the bottom of the article.
Saltburn 'rave': Party-goers and police speak - Local News - News - Gazette Live
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Don't you just love the great unwashed. I'm sure in a few years time when they have brought a nice house by the sea and have a little family they will be straight on the phone complaining of the rave on the beach and the fact the police are doing nothing about it.
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Just to highlight one thing in props' link;
Now please correct me if I'm wrong, but in this Orwellian state, isn't the legal drinking age 18? (16 in public, with a meal accompanied by an adult) and as there wasn't a BBQ or any other form of 'meal', illegal things were in fact going on!
I wonder how different the story would have been if a 15 year old body was found washed up on the shore the next morning!
"Local residents complain about Police lack of action during 'Rave on the Beach'...., leading to death of up and coming youth....etc"
Student James Budd, 20, said: “They did not ID anybody so they had no proof that anybody was underage.
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A 15-year-old was cautioned for being drunk and disorderly and a 19-year-old was cautioned for causing criminal damage.
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A 15-year-old was cautioned for being drunk and disorderly and a 19-year-old was cautioned for causing criminal damage.
I wonder how different the story would have been if a 15 year old body was found washed up on the shore the next morning!
"Local residents complain about Police lack of action during 'Rave on the Beach'...., leading to death of up and coming youth....etc"
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'Facts' at the Gazette!
Not really a 'fact' is it? 
Standard uniform isn't it. Media bollix!
So, someone forgot that sound systems need power and it looks like they took along CDs instead of records!
And it's ok for a 21 year old and a few 50 year olds to sit on the beach chatting to drunken 15 year olds is it!
Same paper, same event, 3 days earlier
The Gazette 3 days earlier!
The funniest thing, and one that highlights where these people are coming from is;
He seems to know all his legislation, however fails to notice that it can't even be classed as any kind of music event as there wasn't any!
Laughable, especially when the police didn't even call it a rave, that is a word put in by the media, the police called it an unofficial event in a public place.
Peter might have realised this when he said;
The clue would be that each year, normal law abiding people with no other 'agendas' have licences and permission for this kind of event.
The worrying thing about the whole issue is this,
Sounds like a bit of f/book grooming was prevented from going further!
If it takes a helicopter, with its thermal equipment, nitesun and skyshout to prevent young drunken people from stumbling off cliffs, wading out to sea or being taken advantage of, surely that is a good thing, isn't it!
Well done Cleveland Police
More facts over 2 pages of the Evening Gazette:
The group also argue that the scrambling of a police helicopter was a “waste of taxpayers’ money”.
Officers were said to display pepper spray and batons, although they were not used.
Peter Craig, 21, of Darlington, who spoke on behalf of the group, said they did not have enough equipment to put music on so they had intended to sit and chat.
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The group allege their gazebo was damaged by police as they tried to take it down and say turntables were also damaged
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The group allege their gazebo was damaged by police as they tried to take it down and say turntables were also damaged
So, someone forgot that sound systems need power and it looks like they took along CDs instead of records!
And it's ok for a 21 year old and a few 50 year olds to sit on the beach chatting to drunken 15 year olds is it!
Same paper, same event, 3 days earlier
The Gazette 3 days earlier!
The police helicopter was scrambled as it was thought numbers may have been “considerably higher”.
The funniest thing, and one that highlights where these people are coming from is;
He (Peter Craig) said the event could not be legally classed as a rave as there were no “repetitive beats” as set out in legislation banning such gatherings.
Laughable, especially when the police didn't even call it a rave, that is a word put in by the media, the police called it an unofficial event in a public place.
Peter might have realised this when he said;
“There’s a big party that’s in Saltburn every single year at the exact place. It was not much different from that and the police have never stopped it.”
The worrying thing about the whole issue is this,
Officers issued a direction to leave and the crowd - along with a man and woman in their 50s who arranged the rave - dispersed.
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Many of these people were under 18 and were drinking alcohol.”
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Many of these people were under 18 and were drinking alcohol.”
Sounds like a bit of f/book grooming was prevented from going further!
If it takes a helicopter, with its thermal equipment, nitesun and skyshout to prevent young drunken people from stumbling off cliffs, wading out to sea or being taken advantage of, surely that is a good thing, isn't it!
Well done Cleveland Police
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No cliffs there lad?
Having spent many a happy hour up there in a fine gazelle, I know the beach in question, and if they were north of saltburn towards Redcar and Marske there are no cliffs to fall off. Its flat sand and a few dunes to be exact, a mile or so from the nearest houses.
Google earth will show you the place. Look up Redcar, and then have a look south east along the beach towards Saltburn. The bit inbetween is where it seems to have been according to the report.
There are cliffs further south of Saltburn but not in the area the locals were playing in.
Sounds like a breach of civil liberties to me, and seems a bit over the top and its been well discussed down here. I bet most of us when younger would have been there as well.
We would have left them get on with it, but I suppose someone in the control room wanted a live downlink pic to watch if they were bored up in Cleveland. 90 mins is a bit OTT though.
I'm suprised that large councillor McKluckie of McDuckie whatever he's called, didnt try charging the youths a fee for using the beach for the night, or did he
Google earth will show you the place. Look up Redcar, and then have a look south east along the beach towards Saltburn. The bit inbetween is where it seems to have been according to the report.
There are cliffs further south of Saltburn but not in the area the locals were playing in.
Sounds like a breach of civil liberties to me, and seems a bit over the top and its been well discussed down here. I bet most of us when younger would have been there as well.
We would have left them get on with it, but I suppose someone in the control room wanted a live downlink pic to watch if they were bored up in Cleveland. 90 mins is a bit OTT though.
I'm suprised that large councillor McKluckie of McDuckie whatever he's called, didnt try charging the youths a fee for using the beach for the night, or did he
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Having spent many a happy hour up there in a fine gazelle,
Claiming to be a Lynx Pilot, one of Her Majesty's chosen, publicly admitting to 'happy' hours in a Gazelle (out of the Wallop circuit), and even describing the floppy with a positive verb.
What a cad !
(Cuiche admiring dork)
I know it's spelt with a 'Q' but....
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But of course these people don't think about the locals or any consequences of their 'fun'.
From the same Gazette again.
Anyway, 2 final things.
1. I don't hear the locals complaining about the revellers being moved on.
2. Do you still think it ok for some 50 year olds to organise a party on f/book to get 15 year olds drunk?
Once again,
Well done Cleveland Police
From the same Gazette again.
LANDOWNERS are being warned to be vigilant after a foiled attempt to hold a rave ...
The alert comes a week after party-goers, who gathered on Saltburn Beach for a “rave”, were dispersed by police.
Now a rural campaign group is asking farmers and landowners to keep an eye out for any similar gatherings.
The warning comes from the Country Land and Business Association (CLA).
...for colleagues in the south of England it had been “very distressing” for farmers and landowners, she said.
“Raves can cause a great deal of disruption and often result in damage being caused. Frequently the landowner is left to clear up the site and bear the considerable costs.”
The alert comes a week after party-goers, who gathered on Saltburn Beach for a “rave”, were dispersed by police.
Now a rural campaign group is asking farmers and landowners to keep an eye out for any similar gatherings.
The warning comes from the Country Land and Business Association (CLA).
...for colleagues in the south of England it had been “very distressing” for farmers and landowners, she said.
“Raves can cause a great deal of disruption and often result in damage being caused. Frequently the landowner is left to clear up the site and bear the considerable costs.”
Anyway, 2 final things.
1. I don't hear the locals complaining about the revellers being moved on.
2. Do you still think it ok for some 50 year olds to organise a party on f/book to get 15 year olds drunk?
Once again,
Well done Cleveland Police
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Handbags at dawn is it Silsy
No matter how many times you write "Well done Cleveland" in very large text, it still wont wash I'm afraid.
Its a tiny state, county, council, whatever they are calling it these days, and flying the flag for 90 minutes over some kids wanting a beach party is a waste of the public's money in anyone's book, they wil be putting up extra speed camera's to pay for it next
Try a different hook and you might get a bite on another thread, but dont you know there where a lot of gazelles flying far from Middle Wallooop circuit in my day
Watch out for them cliffs lad
No matter how many times you write "Well done Cleveland" in very large text, it still wont wash I'm afraid.
Its a tiny state, county, council, whatever they are calling it these days, and flying the flag for 90 minutes over some kids wanting a beach party is a waste of the public's money in anyone's book, they wil be putting up extra speed camera's to pay for it next
Try a different hook and you might get a bite on another thread, but dont you know there where a lot of gazelles flying far from Middle Wallooop circuit in my day
Watch out for them cliffs lad
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Bad drills m8, you have clearly forgotten the Lynx Pilot mantra;
'Once a Lynx driver, never admit to being a Floppy jock'
Bad drills m8, you have clearly forgotten the Lynx Pilot mantra;
'Once a Lynx driver, never admit to being a Floppy jock'
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Fact....
I was there......5 mins on task gave numbers to control room.......later on the back of a different task another 15 mins while officers went in to arrest/move on offenders.
I hope that is clear and we can chill.
I hope that is clear and we can chill.
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The absence of cliffs makes it perfectly safe then ?
Under age drinkers, others committing crime, they might not fall off a cliff,
but what about being dragged off into those perfectly safe sand dunes ?
( No-one ever comes to harm in sand dunes do they ?
Not even apparantly responsible people, stone cold sober in full daylight ? )
Bottom line is they were gathering illegally, the Police took action, and no-one came to grief,
other than a few non-locals pride being hurt because they couldn't do as they pleased
Sid - 50 year olds organising a "gathering" where there is under age drinking,
by children in an intended "party" atmosphere - what could possibly go wrong - in or out of the dunes
There was a "documentary" a few years ago called "Sex & Violence" -
introduced by someone appearing to be in their 50's, filmed amongst sand dunes .....
Under age drinkers, others committing crime, they might not fall off a cliff,
but what about being dragged off into those perfectly safe sand dunes ?
( No-one ever comes to harm in sand dunes do they ?
Not even apparantly responsible people, stone cold sober in full daylight ? )
Bottom line is they were gathering illegally, the Police took action, and no-one came to grief,
other than a few non-locals pride being hurt because they couldn't do as they pleased
Sid - 50 year olds organising a "gathering" where there is under age drinking,
by children in an intended "party" atmosphere - what could possibly go wrong - in or out of the dunes
There was a "documentary" a few years ago called "Sex & Violence" -
introduced by someone appearing to be in their 50's, filmed amongst sand dunes .....
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there were quiet a few jafo's in the geordie and smoggy empires who were very hard work, and thought they were flying it.
Its a police machine, to be used for police work, and yes that includes PR visits to schools. Any pilot refering to me (seriously) as a JAFO, after 22 years police service and 10 years of that doing police work from the air is likely to lose some teeth.
As a pilot you have your skills, as a cop, I have mine.
If a pilot flies the a/c inappropriately, ineffectively, or is just a lazy tw@t who has to be bullied into doing some work, then i'll say something.
I'll assume your some sort ex officer type who came into police aviation in the early years when you could get away with behaving like that.
Good riddens to your type, welcome to the newbies who are coming thru who understand that theyre not owed a living from the police purse, and are willing and able to adapt and learn.
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April Contract time
As there is a commentator who says he was there on the night from Cleveland Air Operations unit, could they inform the pprune readers if the pilots contract was given to PAS?
If so how does it affect NPAS and the national system?
Was it put out to tender?
If so how does it affect NPAS and the national system?
Was it put out to tender?