Bankstown Base - its all good
tet,
Personally I couldn't give a rats about what is or isn't happening at Bankstown or with CHC.
The post was in response to the "holier than thou" comments.
Personally I couldn't give a rats about what is or isn't happening at Bankstown or with CHC.
The post was in response to the "holier than thou" comments.
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Well done CHC
Well, well, well, it's very interesting to see those that got the bullet coming out to attack CHC over procedures. At least CHC have procedures! And banging on about Westpac (WHO?) getting to ONE job quicker (just happened to be next door, big deal). CHC have better crews, better procedures and far better aircraft (at least the 412's are new not like the clapped out 117's) and the 139's are here and will be on line in a matter of days, years before our 'good at marketing and not much else' friends at Careflight or Westpac could have got them! Those in the know will know that CHC just had their annual contract review and the client is very, very happy, with the big Kahuna stating that, "CHC are LIGHTYEARS ahead of Careflight and Westpac". The defense rests.
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Newer and better at the job and better maintained that 117's were or will ever be (can't afford 412's anymore, chook raffle's not bringing in enough, trade them in on sh1tbox 117's, but don't look at what we owe on them loyal followers). Get used to it you fools, CHC have won the contract and the client is very happy, even if the bone head union boys are not (So 5 minutes ago those lads). And what's the worse that can happen? Well trained crews flying the newest machines with Careflight and Westpac mincing around at the edges where they belong. The view is good, in fact it's rosy 
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"holier than thou"
however, between us it looks like we have destroyed another urban myth in the making too bad.
BTW, neither could I give a flying turnout in a thunderstorm about them, they are big enough and ugly enough to look after theirself's?
And they are - obviously - Veeerrry smart, just listen to 'em.
I just wanted to jump on the dribble.
cheers tet
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Yep its rosy alright!!!
Outside looking In.
Ha Ha Ha..The Defence rests…..Ha Ha Ha. Why the defence you won the contract be gracious in victory.
If that diatribe you are spruking is your defence then they aren’t resting they have left the building. Now lets face it there is always going to be bad blood. But it certainly looks like the Vinnies boys have moved on. Contracts are won and lost all the time. Didn’t CHC lose the Woodside contract and what about the Adelaide contract. At least Careflight and Westpac lost to a global player.
Careflight and Westpac have procedures as well , you would be pretty dumb to think otherwise. Just because they are different doesn’t make them worse or better for that matter. The vinnies boys procedures allow them to be off the ground in 2-3 minutes.( I have heard that the ambo machine needs a calender to measure response times) From what I have heard some of the CHC boys tour to Sydney so they have to have procedures that cater for the crew that come in and don’t know Sydney. CHC can mitigate risk by proceduralising the operation. Sure it’s safe but it is definitely slower. Lets face it the Vinnies boys have been flying EMS in Sydney for years with the same crews so the local knowledge is right up there, they can do things quicker while still maintaining safety.
One job quicker….if you tallied all the jobs that Careflight and Westpac had arrived on scene prior to the Ambo machine it would be in the 20’s.Only one made the paper.
Better Crews..how do you justify this one? Do you find them more attractive (if so that’s ok but to slag off the other crews is not right)
The newest machines???? Careflight have a power ,last time looked this was fairly new.Just remember that if the Ambos had been paying the vinnies boys the same money as CHC then there would be no need for chook raffles and they would have kept the 412.The client got what it paid for. Besides that if the BK is so bad why are CHC buying 145’s.
Far better aircraft. The 412 EP is the latest evolution of the 412.Apart from minor upgrades the technology is as old as the Bk 117.Its like building a brand new EH Holden. The 139 will be on line in a matter of days, how many days 30, 60, 120, 365 how many days. Oh yeh how many days till the 145?Cause the client wants them!!!!!
Yep I agree that CHC could get the machines quicker than anyone else could, this is global buying power. You are stating the obvious. But I doubt it would be years.
Now if you were a government employee in charge of a $28 000 000 (that’s 28 million) a year contract, would you stand up and say you weren’t happy?(I am not saying CHC are doing badly ,but the yardstick you are using is somewhat tainted)The ambos have to be happy, to say that they are light years ahead is great, but CHC have to be, they are being paid 10 times as much(which is light years more money), to deliver a slower response time.(you know golden hour and all that)
Better maintained., the engineers at all these places are experienced operators. Again not sure how you justify this one. As stated above CHC have global buying power which enables them to have almost unlimited spares, yep acknowledged. But because you hold lots of spare does not mean better maintained.
Bone head union boys..is this the ambos? Is this how CHC treat their clients. Maybe it’s indicative of the CRM procedures CHC are using. ( I know it’s not, most of the crew at CHC are professionals)
Take a long hard look at yourself.
Yep the view is rosy all right.
Ha Ha Ha The Defence Rests Ha Ha Ha
Ha Ha Ha..The Defence rests…..Ha Ha Ha. Why the defence you won the contract be gracious in victory.
If that diatribe you are spruking is your defence then they aren’t resting they have left the building. Now lets face it there is always going to be bad blood. But it certainly looks like the Vinnies boys have moved on. Contracts are won and lost all the time. Didn’t CHC lose the Woodside contract and what about the Adelaide contract. At least Careflight and Westpac lost to a global player.
Careflight and Westpac have procedures as well , you would be pretty dumb to think otherwise. Just because they are different doesn’t make them worse or better for that matter. The vinnies boys procedures allow them to be off the ground in 2-3 minutes.( I have heard that the ambo machine needs a calender to measure response times) From what I have heard some of the CHC boys tour to Sydney so they have to have procedures that cater for the crew that come in and don’t know Sydney. CHC can mitigate risk by proceduralising the operation. Sure it’s safe but it is definitely slower. Lets face it the Vinnies boys have been flying EMS in Sydney for years with the same crews so the local knowledge is right up there, they can do things quicker while still maintaining safety.
One job quicker….if you tallied all the jobs that Careflight and Westpac had arrived on scene prior to the Ambo machine it would be in the 20’s.Only one made the paper.
Better Crews..how do you justify this one? Do you find them more attractive (if so that’s ok but to slag off the other crews is not right)
The newest machines???? Careflight have a power ,last time looked this was fairly new.Just remember that if the Ambos had been paying the vinnies boys the same money as CHC then there would be no need for chook raffles and they would have kept the 412.The client got what it paid for. Besides that if the BK is so bad why are CHC buying 145’s.
Far better aircraft. The 412 EP is the latest evolution of the 412.Apart from minor upgrades the technology is as old as the Bk 117.Its like building a brand new EH Holden. The 139 will be on line in a matter of days, how many days 30, 60, 120, 365 how many days. Oh yeh how many days till the 145?Cause the client wants them!!!!!
Yep I agree that CHC could get the machines quicker than anyone else could, this is global buying power. You are stating the obvious. But I doubt it would be years.
Now if you were a government employee in charge of a $28 000 000 (that’s 28 million) a year contract, would you stand up and say you weren’t happy?(I am not saying CHC are doing badly ,but the yardstick you are using is somewhat tainted)The ambos have to be happy, to say that they are light years ahead is great, but CHC have to be, they are being paid 10 times as much(which is light years more money), to deliver a slower response time.(you know golden hour and all that)
Better maintained., the engineers at all these places are experienced operators. Again not sure how you justify this one. As stated above CHC have global buying power which enables them to have almost unlimited spares, yep acknowledged. But because you hold lots of spare does not mean better maintained.
Bone head union boys..is this the ambos? Is this how CHC treat their clients. Maybe it’s indicative of the CRM procedures CHC are using. ( I know it’s not, most of the crew at CHC are professionals)
Take a long hard look at yourself.
Yep the view is rosy all right.
Ha Ha Ha The Defence Rests Ha Ha Ha
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GAGS -Slower response Time?
Doesn't the contract state 15min day 30 min night. Isn't this the same as the times for previous operators. Are you saying that these times are regularly not being met and if so where is the evidence?
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Nope not saying that at all!
I am not sure but i think the vinnies boys didn't have the same response times allowed,could be wrong and if i am someone will make a song and dance.
Just saying they on a primary its a response of minutes!!!!See HIRT
I am not sure but i think the vinnies boys didn't have the same response times allowed,could be wrong and if i am someone will make a song and dance.
Just saying they on a primary its a response of minutes!!!!See HIRT
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HIRT, for the love of god
How can you compare a self tasking response time (HIRT) to that of the crews in Bankstown who have to be notified by the client. Talk about apples and oranges.
15 mins response time for a primary mission(day)? Is that normal?
My understanding is that the interval from notification to en route would rarely be less than 15 minutes, and in fact would often be significantly longer. Is this correct?
Its pretty rare for a government to make such an expensive decision and then admit that there are problems. Of course they are going to say how happy they are.
Is there any truth in the interesting rumor currently going around that there was a recent substantial penalty paid to the customer? That doesn't sound like a happy customer to me.
Its pretty rare for a government to make such an expensive decision and then admit that there are problems. Of course they are going to say how happy they are.
Is there any truth in the interesting rumor currently going around that there was a recent substantial penalty paid to the customer? That doesn't sound like a happy customer to me.
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Apples v apples
Want Apples v apples LLSRC? 
Both B'town and HIRT have to be 'notified' in some way, that's by the ASNSW.
The 'source' of the notification is the same with both! The ASNSW.
So compare this......
The 'Notification' that a job's on time, to 'Skids Off' time!
Reckon B'town can compete?
BRING IT ON!
See you at the scene....ah no we won't.
Both B'town and HIRT have to be 'notified' in some way, that's by the ASNSW.
The 'source' of the notification is the same with both! The ASNSW.
So compare this......
The 'Notification' that a job's on time, to 'Skids Off' time!
Reckon B'town can compete?
BRING IT ON!
See you at the scene....ah no we won't.
I am not too familiar with how it works in NSW however my understanding is as follows....stand to be corrected.
The CareFlight HIRT fellas monitor a computer...job comes up that fits the bill, self task and they are off.
CHC out at Bankstown....job comes in, goes to a comms operator...goes to MRU who probably F$%K around trying to decide the best course of action...decide a helo is required and then get the ball rolling.
Both organisations have their niches and advantages/ disadvantages. I have nothing to do with either but it does appear to be a case of comparing apples and oranges.
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The CareFlight HIRT fellas monitor a computer...job comes up that fits the bill, self task and they are off.
CHC out at Bankstown....job comes in, goes to a comms operator...goes to MRU who probably F$%K around trying to decide the best course of action...decide a helo is required and then get the ball rolling.
Both organisations have their niches and advantages/ disadvantages. I have nothing to do with either but it does appear to be a case of comparing apples and oranges.
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In the quest to improve responsiveness the guys at Bankstown use the same '000' call monitoring process as utilised by HIRT.
The case about apples vs oranges can not be more true.
One must keep in mind that the HIRT guys are configred for one single role only, land-on primaries for severe trauma, primarily for head injuries as opposed to the mutli-task roles of the bankstown machines.
There are obviously many factors that affect responsiveness in these environs. Much has been said about the fixed wing departures from Bankstown, but at the end of the day one thing remains, the customer chose a particular service provider knowing that in all likelihood operations would be based within controlled airspace and were well informed of individual organisational procedural practices and therefore were aware of the potential implications.
Don't hassle the provider, the issues rest with the customer.
The case about apples vs oranges can not be more true.
One must keep in mind that the HIRT guys are configred for one single role only, land-on primaries for severe trauma, primarily for head injuries as opposed to the mutli-task roles of the bankstown machines.
There are obviously many factors that affect responsiveness in these environs. Much has been said about the fixed wing departures from Bankstown, but at the end of the day one thing remains, the customer chose a particular service provider knowing that in all likelihood operations would be based within controlled airspace and were well informed of individual organisational procedural practices and therefore were aware of the potential implications.
Don't hassle the provider, the issues rest with the customer.
Last edited by SuperSleuth; 5th Jun 2008 at 02:18. Reason: clarification of statement