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Please do not ridicule me for asking - BUT WHAT EXACTLY IS A "TROLL" in this context - (aside from a large ugly cave dwelling fairytale character who eats litte children - NEWBEE watch out!!!)
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Bogey Bogey
As described by Wikipedia. There have been one or two lurking under the PPRUNE bridge from time to time.
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]
TK
As described by Wikipedia. There have been one or two lurking under the PPRUNE bridge from time to time.
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]
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Let us pay homage
Ok everyone, lets see you down on one knee.
Bow your heads and reapeat after me.
Oh CHC,
You are so BIG,
You are all knowing,
Lead us! For we know not what we do.
Save us from those small companies and charitable organisations, with little respect for the value of shares on the stock exchange.
These infidels know not what they do.
Give us the strength to accept everything you say and to follow you blindly.
Give our Air Crewmen the strength and wisdom to accept your vision and to enjoy the 24 hour shifts.
And though regularly called in to start work, 9 hours prior to the commencement of said rostered 24 hour shifts, please forgive us our doubts in your wisdom and if you care for our welfare.
Though you feel we are weak for at times falling asleep in the cockpit after 31 hours at work, please forgive us, for you know better than the infidel clients who want to formally report such indiscretions but rightly fear that as individuals we are likely to be struct down by the mighty CHC sword.
Thank you for our AW139 and it's limited ability to respond at night, for without your forsight we would now be moving more of the sick and injured people of NSW than we are now and the value of the tried and tested 412EP in EMS may go unrecognised.
In the name of big business, Flight Standards Adelaide and the all mighty dollar.
In CHC's name we pray, AHMEN!
PS: On a positive note Thank God for all the hard working and committed individuals from CHC and Ambulance that show great respect for each other and value the skills, knowledge and experience of each team member, despite the challenges and frustrations of working for two large and inflexible organisations not to mention within 'the contract'.
Long live small operational TEAMS and their commitment to get the job done safely and in a timely manner. You guys rock!
NB: CHC disciples I await your predictably holier than thou response.
Bow your heads and reapeat after me.
Oh CHC,
You are so BIG,
You are all knowing,
Lead us! For we know not what we do.
Save us from those small companies and charitable organisations, with little respect for the value of shares on the stock exchange.
These infidels know not what they do.
Give us the strength to accept everything you say and to follow you blindly.
Give our Air Crewmen the strength and wisdom to accept your vision and to enjoy the 24 hour shifts.
And though regularly called in to start work, 9 hours prior to the commencement of said rostered 24 hour shifts, please forgive us our doubts in your wisdom and if you care for our welfare.
Though you feel we are weak for at times falling asleep in the cockpit after 31 hours at work, please forgive us, for you know better than the infidel clients who want to formally report such indiscretions but rightly fear that as individuals we are likely to be struct down by the mighty CHC sword.
Thank you for our AW139 and it's limited ability to respond at night, for without your forsight we would now be moving more of the sick and injured people of NSW than we are now and the value of the tried and tested 412EP in EMS may go unrecognised.
In the name of big business, Flight Standards Adelaide and the all mighty dollar.
In CHC's name we pray, AHMEN!
PS: On a positive note Thank God for all the hard working and committed individuals from CHC and Ambulance that show great respect for each other and value the skills, knowledge and experience of each team member, despite the challenges and frustrations of working for two large and inflexible organisations not to mention within 'the contract'.Long live small operational TEAMS and their commitment to get the job done safely and in a timely manner. You guys rock!
NB: CHC disciples I await your predictably holier than thou response.
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AHMEN!
FYI, there is a Federally funded program mooted for literacy and numeracy to educate those in the so called disadvantaged zones. I respectfully suggest that you enlist and your CHC cohorts if they are as talented as you. (2 Billion dollars, there should be enough for elementary spelling for some)
Whether you are a dinky di or not, I know not, however you should note the engine of our democracy and economy is small business, as is the case of pretty much most nationalities represented on these forums.
Long live the freelance entrepeneur!
But then, did you mention Adelaide? We had another illustrious but misfit character from down there that we buried a while back.
cheers TET.
Whether you are a dinky di or not, I know not, however you should note the engine of our democracy and economy is small business, as is the case of pretty much most nationalities represented on these forums.
Long live the freelance entrepeneur!
But then, did you mention Adelaide? We had another illustrious but misfit character from down there that we buried a while back.
cheers TET.
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Oh folald, it must have really hurt when CHC knocked you back 
Funny that the only 412EP in the state, that is not operated by CHC, is lying in a hangar in Newcastle licking it's wounds and lucky to be alive
The 139 has a limited ability to respond at night????? That's a new one. First the 412's were to old and now the 139's are no good either. Hopefully the NVG's will help with that night stuff, luckily they are already compatible
Is your 412 compatible? All you have to do on the CHC 139 is flick the switch and it goes all green (a bit like you funnily enough), really neat
Hope that's a holier-that-thou enough response for you
Funny that the only 412EP in the state, that is not operated by CHC, is lying in a hangar in Newcastle licking it's wounds and lucky to be alive
The 139 has a limited ability to respond at night????? That's a new one. First the 412's were to old and now the 139's are no good either. Hopefully the NVG's will help with that night stuff, luckily they are already compatible
Is your 412 compatible? All you have to do on the CHC 139 is flick the switch and it goes all green (a bit like you funnily enough), really neat Hope that's a holier-that-thou enough response for you
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Why do we keep revisiting this?
If you have actual points to make about the 139 then make them. The fact that there is no media attention and no other stories coming from this base except for the occasional post here it must be going ok. I would have thought that Careflight would have said something more if things weren't right there.
As for the crewman predicament, god bless them all, but while they continue to work said conditions they are creating a rod for their own back and no-one can help them. If they fall asleep on shift they have left themselves very liable. Get some unity and stand up together and demand a change to the roster if you are concerned. Stop complaining and stop working it or nothing will change.
If you have actual points to make about the 139 then make them. The fact that there is no media attention and no other stories coming from this base except for the occasional post here it must be going ok. I would have thought that Careflight would have said something more if things weren't right there.
As for the crewman predicament, god bless them all, but while they continue to work said conditions they are creating a rod for their own back and no-one can help them. If they fall asleep on shift they have left themselves very liable. Get some unity and stand up together and demand a change to the roster if you are concerned. Stop complaining and stop working it or nothing will change.
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CHC are the only 412EP operator in NSW. Newcastle operate an 412SP and I believe it's operational. Someone warn the Koala's.
C2
I heard that the 139 isn't being used for night Primarys because of the nightsun position isn't night ideal for night out landings and that it's limit 5 deg slope.
Bet the crew would like an aircon for summer!
CHC are the only 412EP operator in NSW. Newcastle operate an 412SP and I believe it's operational. Someone warn the Koala's.
C2
I heard that the 139 isn't being used for night Primarys because of the nightsun position isn't night ideal for night out landings and that it's limit 5 deg slope.
Bet the crew would like an aircon for summer!
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Mmmmmm ...
......"and that it's limit 5 deg slope."
I think you will find the 139 slope landing limitation is 10 deg. unless it still has the "Early" droop stop components fitted .... (which I very much doubt).
......"and that it's limit 5 deg slope."
I think you will find the 139 slope landing limitation is 10 deg. unless it still has the "Early" droop stop components fitted .... (which I very much doubt).
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Nite Sun limitations
Slope limits are 10 degrees in all directions... that is until you fit the SX-16 nite sun.
As per RFM, having SX-16 reduces takeoff and landing slope limits to 5 degrees in all directions...
always happy to be corrected if i'm wrong
As per RFM, having SX-16 reduces takeoff and landing slope limits to 5 degrees in all directions...
always happy to be corrected if i'm wrong
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Mmmm....
Ok so the (slope) limitation is only degraded when the SX16 is installed.
Is that because the SX16 RFM supplement was written before the aircraft slope limits were increased and the supplement has not been revised anybody know? ... or is there amore obvious reason ... I'm not familiar with the SX16 fit ... the aircraft I fly don't have them.
Cheers
Ok so the (slope) limitation is only degraded when the SX16 is installed.
Is that because the SX16 RFM supplement was written before the aircraft slope limits were increased and the supplement has not been revised anybody know? ... or is there amore obvious reason ... I'm not familiar with the SX16 fit ... the aircraft I fly don't have them.
Cheers
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The nitesun is fitted to a fixed arm on the LH side of the aircraft behind the co-pilot door. The light is controllable in attitude and azimuth, but the mounting is not.
...maybe someone can explain to me too why it would be "...in all directions"???
...maybe someone can explain to me too why it would be "...in all directions"???
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For the record, 'Outside looking in' you couldn't be further from reality by assuming CHC 'knocked me back'.
FYI, I'm atheist not illiterate! Not that it's anyones business.
However, there you go again...jumping to self serving (inaccurate) conclusions.
You say "The 139 has a limited ability to respond at night?????....(and)... That's a new one". Are you really that poorly informed or just playing dumb? You must have a very poor line of sight, from where you are claiming to be 'outside looking in'.
You are wasting our time with you poorly informed posts.
If 'outside looking in' you are saying that you or anyone is beyond an incident such as that experienced by the westpac pilot recently, for the sake of your own safety and that of your colleagues, you may want to take a long hard look at yourself or else you too may be face to face with a koala before long.
As for NVG's as good as they are, you are over simplistic (read poorly informed yet again) in your posting. If it was as simple as flicking a switch to 'green' as you claim, they'd be using them tonight.
FYI, I'm atheist not illiterate!
Not that it's anyones business.However, there you go again...jumping to self serving (inaccurate) conclusions.
You say "The 139 has a limited ability to respond at night?????....(and)... That's a new one". Are you really that poorly informed or just playing dumb? You must have a very poor line of sight, from where you are claiming to be 'outside looking in'.
You are wasting our time with you poorly informed posts.
If 'outside looking in' you are saying that you or anyone is beyond an incident such as that experienced by the westpac pilot recently, for the sake of your own safety and that of your colleagues, you may want to take a long hard look at yourself or else you too may be face to face with a koala before long.
As for NVG's as good as they are, you are over simplistic (read poorly informed yet again) in your posting. If it was as simple as flicking a switch to 'green' as you claim, they'd be using them tonight.
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Mmmmm ......
Noticed on the 139 thread ......
ANSW ....139 do not appear to have the air conditioning options fitted .....
Please tell me this is not true!
Ref: Helicopter medics in meltdown | The Daily Telegraph
Noticed on the 139 thread ......
ANSW ....139 do not appear to have the air conditioning options fitted .....
Please tell me this is not true!
Ref: Helicopter medics in meltdown | The Daily Telegraph
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I'm sure if the ambulance service had of asked for air conditioning they would have got it, Maybe they need to have a stern word to there aviation advisors.
With regard to the window falling out the guys in the back are certainly not gentle on equipment from what I've heard from some, the Para's can't close the doors in flight because they have a habit of forcing them and breaking the doors.
If the heat is such a problem then it certainly needs to be fixed, its just seems strange that all the complaining comes from Bankstown, are the Wollongong crew fall like flys as well or are they just getting on with the job.
It seems that some people at bankstown just don't want this serice to work wether its beacuse of their loyalty to careflight and lifesaver, which I can understand but if your not happy move on and let others that want the service to work have a go.
With regard to the window falling out the guys in the back are certainly not gentle on equipment from what I've heard from some, the Para's can't close the doors in flight because they have a habit of forcing them and breaking the doors.
If the heat is such a problem then it certainly needs to be fixed, its just seems strange that all the complaining comes from Bankstown, are the Wollongong crew fall like flys as well or are they just getting on with the job.
It seems that some people at bankstown just don't want this serice to work wether its beacuse of their loyalty to careflight and lifesaver, which I can understand but if your not happy move on and let others that want the service to work have a go.
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Tinting the cabin windows might go a long way in reducing the impact of heat, may limit vision at night if the rear crew insists on having their dark visor down???
Air-conditioning was an unwanted accessory acording to the client, although offered by the provider during initial talks.
Air-conditioning was an unwanted accessory acording to the client, although offered by the provider during initial talks.
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Mmmmm ....
Tis a pity about the air-conditioning ....
Personal experience with the 139 elsewhere has proved to me how valuable it (the a/c) really is ....
Those wonderful flat panel displays push a lot of heat into the cabin area and coupled with the massive glasshouse effect really gets the internal cabin temps up very quickly ..... very silly decision by the client .... would have thought CHC should not have let them make such a silly choice especially as this was to be a "worlds best practice" set up.
Oh well .... I don't have to put up with it ...... tough for the crews though.
Tis a pity about the air-conditioning ....
Personal experience with the 139 elsewhere has proved to me how valuable it (the a/c) really is ....
Those wonderful flat panel displays push a lot of heat into the cabin area and coupled with the massive glasshouse effect really gets the internal cabin temps up very quickly ..... very silly decision by the client .... would have thought CHC should not have let them make such a silly choice especially as this was to be a "worlds best practice" set up.
Oh well .... I don't have to put up with it ...... tough for the crews though.
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Update
The Vinnies boys - well one has gone OS and the other has a heartthrob OS
The muffin twins are misbehaving AGAIN!
The G man is fast losing favour with the troops
The Liverpudlian has arrived - and could make a difference
Rainman is no longer relying on a hollow fist
Raymond is at it again
The muffin twins are misbehaving AGAIN!
The G man is fast losing favour with the troops
The Liverpudlian has arrived - and could make a difference
Rainman is no longer relying on a hollow fist
Raymond is at it again
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CHC out of EMS?
Word on the street, CHC Global (First Reserve) want to off load all EMS and SAR contracts in Oz and concentrate efforts in off shore contracts.
Can the chook rafflers get back in?
Can the chook rafflers get back in?
