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Old 15th Aug 2007, 15:18
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Riddster, I am a wannabe like yourself so don't take my info for gospel. I got it from http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/.

According to the website starting FO salaries are between £30k and £35k a year for Aberdeen operators. Bear in mind the info might be out of date or the fact cadets might start on reduced salaries. I don't really know!

On OAT's messageboard there is a post saying more info will be made available to those who attend stage 2 of the selection process.

Good luck if you decide to go for it.
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Old 15th Aug 2007, 15:29
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Thanks Rico, much appreciated.
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Old 15th Aug 2007, 15:36
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Does anyone know who from Bond will do the stage 2 interview process, and are they likely to do the similar phsycometric testing as CHC?
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Old 15th Aug 2007, 16:23
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£30k is enough for the first 'stage' of helo career

Hi there.

I, as a wannabe, have researched many training routes, spent hours on end on PPRuNe, etc etc.

I do agree that knowing length of bond and starting salary is kinda important. It's not a sign of not being passionate or serious about one's aviation future.

I'm budgeting with about £40k for 200hr TT JAA CPL training /to be able to get hired as instructor in the US/ incl US CFII in Bristow Academy /former HAI/, FL. That's inclusive of some associated costs such as flights, fees, housing etc.

One can say round £30k for up to +-150-160 hours JAA CPL in BA according to their current price list. So they'd sponsor accommodation in the US and if anything goes wrong, they won't lose much. And naturally, they'd invest into one's JAA IR, type rating etc only after being successful to the CPL point.

IF someone could get another 10-15k for other costs, JAA FI, there's no need to get tied to the company. Depending on their conditions, how much would be repaid, term of the bonding etc.
It would take 1-3 years longer to get proper job, but how much is 'freedom' worth? :-D

I'd rather do it my way than paying almost the same BUT with the perks of quick steps towards second pilot in turbine chopper. That'll save time 'hanging around' as helo instructor, chasing the first "real job" etc.

I read the advert on their website. Sounds good for someone who wants to stay in the UK for a very long time.
I'm getting UK passport in couple years' time, but flying around the world is so captivating. Not in this weather for 5-10 years in a row :-/

Call me a moaner, but while I see the advantages of singing up /being picked/ for this cadetship, I don't find it that great. That JAA IR is the biggest hurdle and that could be sponsored - see Bristow.

Still got few years of hard work, saving, fundraising till I can start training. Sucks. Well, c'est la vie.
IF Bristow, ERA, PHI or CHC started intership with much lower /eg PPL/ self-funding, I'd go for it. I'm not sure they'd do it within three years anyway.
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Old 15th Aug 2007, 16:50
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Originally Posted by Genie the Greenie
Does anyone know who from Bond will do the stage 2 interview process, and are they likely to do the similar phsycometric testing as CHC?
They will be the standard OAT APP/FO tests, probably with a very slight helicopter bias.

More details of these tests (and what to expect at every stage) can be found in the Wannabes forum.
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Old 15th Aug 2007, 20:03
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That is all well and good, I am not knocking someone for having basic financial planning, but if you really want it I am sure you will cope! After all, if you work hard, you will have a reasonably well paid job at the end of the day!!! I started on £16K as a second officer, I am sure this must have at least doubled by now. My experience of talking to people looking for sponsorships today is that they want it on a plate. What they need to understand is that they are entering the big, bad commercial world and there are no free lunches, unless you have worked hard, bitten the bullet and are able to get them of the rigs when you land on!!!!!!!
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Old 15th Aug 2007, 23:20
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I assume from the advert's reference to obtaining a visa to work in the US, that following the HAI course you'll be 'used' (sorry, gain valuable experience) as an FI there. Any ideas for how long?
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I assume from the advert's reference to obtaining a visa to work in the US, that following the HAI course you'll be 'used' (sorry, gain valuable experience) as an FI there. Any ideas for how long?
I think that you've got the wrong end of the stick, 212.

The OAT ad refers to a 'right to work in the EU' but only needs a visa for 'training in the US':
  • Have the right to live and work in the European Union
  • <snip>
  • Anticipate being able to gain a Visa for undertaking training in the United States
Edited to add: Aha, I've just double checked the Flight ad and you're right, it does say 'Be able to gain a Visa for working in the USA'. I can only imagine that this was just a typo when the longer OAT details were condensed for the Flight ad.
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Old 17th Aug 2007, 11:00
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212man:
It does not say about doing FI /US term = CFI/. What's the point? If it's supposed to be cadetship, they'd take on +-250h TT guy as SIC. It won't make sense otherwise.
That ads talks about 1 year training. That's about the max time someone should do JAA CPL at HAI/BA.

To be able to do FIing, one needs J1 visa which is for 2yr max incl training.
EG 9-12 months training and the rest of 2 yr instructing. But I don't think there's need for that from BOND's side.
IF THERE IS, WHOLE CADETSHIP IS POINTLESS.
UNLESS someone lives in the UK, doesn't want to 'test the waters' around the globe for foreseeable future.

pitchlink:
Nobody wants anything 'on plate'. Just that committing so much as bond thanks to JAA IR 'cuts the wings of freedom' a bit.
I didn't say it's no good at all. It just won't be for everyone.
I would be inclined towards it more if it was Bristow as they got operations around the world and no need to get tied to UK and its weather.

if what BRAVO73 says is right, whole speculations about 212man's question is pointless. I won't do that.

IF I fund whole training, got J1 in the US, I'm likely to do some FIing hopefully up to 1000hr TT and then I could be sponsored for JAA IR if wanted in the UK. Check out other topics in case you don't know /you guys with 1000s of hours don't really care anyway/.

Howgh
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Old 20th Aug 2007, 06:49
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How many of us Rotorhead Ppruners have applied for this?

I completed my application last Thursday and am now busy praying to every god, idol and deity that I get through the process!

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Old 20th Aug 2007, 09:30
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Applied last Tuesday, I have the absolute bare minimum in academic qualifications, but have previously passed the OAT "selection" procedures and have a bit of flying/aviation experience so am hoping they may turn a blind eye to my rather sparse academic achievements!

What kind of qualifications/flying experience do other applicants have?
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Old 20th Aug 2007, 09:33
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Damn, i missed this!!!

I guess that there´s no time to apply now...doH!

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Old 20th Aug 2007, 10:08
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Originally Posted by Smike
I guess that there´s no time to apply now...doH!
Why not, Smike?

Closing date for applications.......... Monday 27th August 2007
Although before you do apply, I suggest that you read the rest of the advert in much more detail next time.
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Old 20th Aug 2007, 10:27
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Thx Bravo,

I read that 27th August bit...that´s why i thought maybe it wouldnt make any sense applying afterwards.

Anyways, sorry if i felt like a lazy b**ch...;o)

All the best,
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Old 20th Aug 2007, 10:43
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You do know it's only August 20th don't you smike?

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Old 20th Aug 2007, 12:08
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Lolllll...What an arse i am!! Someone should kick me in the A**, thought we were on September already. Time to take my medication i see!

Thx and sorry for my sillyness, geez!

Take care,
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Old 20th Aug 2007, 13:14
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Ha, ha... funny Smike. You sound like my missus!!

Buzz34: I have got the bare minimum requirements on A-levels but have also got a degree. I haven't got any helo qualifications though. 12 hrs in Sea Kings and have loads of other exp in fixed wing (including a flight in an F3) and a PPL on gliders.

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Old 20th Aug 2007, 15:24
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Likewise...

I have the bare minimum academic qualifications and hopefully by the end of this week I might have a PPL(h) with about 60 hours on helicopters.

Fingers crossed!!!

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Old 20th Aug 2007, 17:44
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According to the website starting FO salaries are between £30k and £35k a year for Aberdeen operators.

as at July 07, one of the N sea operators paying basic;

FO < 500 hrs; £35928

FO 500: £37568

FO 1000; £39208


Captain yr 1 £68879
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Old 20th Aug 2007, 18:15
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Just to clarify:

Would those salaries be for let's say FOs with 1000 TT or 1000 in that company's left seat ?
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