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Still think it was vortex ring ... (even simulated the same thing today with simulated cameraperson saying 'fly slow/ left/ descend' etc. Result = unsimulated vortex ring with no prior warning shudder or shake).
NB no aminals or helicopters were hurt in this experiment, which was carried out under supervision at safe altitude. E&OE
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NB no aminals or helicopters were hurt in this experiment, which was carried out under supervision at safe altitude. E&OE
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It’s real considerate of you to send me a PM as well but I thought it would be kinda selfish not to share it with the guys.
See Kiss, TC likes to be contentious and he comes out with his Brits Know Best garbage but you can tell he's an experienced professional pilot from his posts. Same goes for PF1, he's ornery and he tells it like he sees it whatever but you can tell he’s been round the block a few times. That’s the big difference between them and you. Their both experienced professional pilots and you're not. We've all been there so don't be shy.
Now then Kiss, would you care to place a little wager on that?
How about loser pays $100 to the helicopter charity the British pilot set up in memory of his son who was killed in the H269? We could ask him to post confirming the loser paid up.
Now what did you say about the R44 pilot? She was "Quick to dive on here before but not so sure now." Well, you were quick to dive in and tell me I have no idea about you, are you so sure now? Hell, if your sure let's make it loser pays $200 to the charity.
Now what else did you say about her? "The PIC was quick to come on and make an earlier comment so come on now, reply and put us all out of our misery with the truth." Come on now Kiss, tell me if you'll take the wager and put us all out of our misery with the truth. Tell you what, so long as you give your word of honor you’ll play straight, I’ll let YOU decide if it's true I have no idea about you. I can't say fairer than that.
Well, I’ve thrown my gontlet down as they say in those wonderful old English movies. Are you gonna pick it up?
Hell, we could make $200 for a good cause and have some fun. And we get to find out whose the real Richard Cranium around here.
Bronx
If you'd prefer to give it a try for a small sum first - $50 says I can tell you your initials. It's for charity. Wanna give it a try?
(One very short sentence deleted which doesn't change the sense of the post.)
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It’s real considerate of you to send me a PM as well but I thought it would be kinda selfish not to share it with the guys.
Yanks always know best, or so they think.
You know jack ****!! You don't know me. You don't know how long i've been flying or what I do for a living right now so go and give yourself an enema to help clear yourself of the **** you talk.
You know jack ****!! You don't know me. You don't know how long i've been flying or what I do for a living right now so go and give yourself an enema to help clear yourself of the **** you talk.
You have no idea about me at all so you can't really comment.
How about loser pays $100 to the helicopter charity the British pilot set up in memory of his son who was killed in the H269? We could ask him to post confirming the loser paid up.
Now what did you say about the R44 pilot? She was "Quick to dive on here before but not so sure now." Well, you were quick to dive in and tell me I have no idea about you, are you so sure now? Hell, if your sure let's make it loser pays $200 to the charity.
Now what else did you say about her? "The PIC was quick to come on and make an earlier comment so come on now, reply and put us all out of our misery with the truth." Come on now Kiss, tell me if you'll take the wager and put us all out of our misery with the truth. Tell you what, so long as you give your word of honor you’ll play straight, I’ll let YOU decide if it's true I have no idea about you. I can't say fairer than that.
Well, I’ve thrown my gontlet down as they say in those wonderful old English movies. Are you gonna pick it up?
Hell, we could make $200 for a good cause and have some fun. And we get to find out whose the real Richard Cranium around here.
Bronx
If you'd prefer to give it a try for a small sum first - $50 says I can tell you your initials. It's for charity. Wanna give it a try?
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I'm not quite sure what to think about this thread - practically everyone and everything (that Robinson makes anyway) has been bashed.
Try using my own axiom (which I have violated more than once, I must admit) of only saying what you'd say Face To Face with your audience, two feet away. The keyboard makes a mighty shield.
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Try using my own axiom (which I have violated more than once, I must admit) of only saying what you'd say Face To Face with your audience, two feet away. The keyboard makes a mighty shield.
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The last thing I want to do is deprive a worthy cause of $200 but, before you decide whether to take the bet, you might want to bear in mind what you've posted in the past, not just in this forum. The Professional Pilot Training/Ground studies forum, for example.
Maybe winding your neck in and making a small donation (amount undisclosed) to the scholarship fund would be an honourable compromise?
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The last thing I want to do is deprive a worthy cause of $200 but, before you decide whether to take the bet, you might want to bear in mind what you've posted in the past, not just in this forum. The Professional Pilot Training/Ground studies forum, for example.
Maybe winding your neck in and making a small donation (amount undisclosed) to the scholarship fund would be an honourable compromise?
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Bronx: Very funny. You have humour - or is that humor ? Check sp. for gauntlet. And stop watching those awful old English B&W movies. Consider instead that television, the internet and iPods were all invented by Brits. The Dyson vacuum cleaner has led to the collapse of Hoover and most of the software that drives your mobile phones derives from a UK source. Your President will soon be flying around in a helicopter built by a UK/Europe consortium, our car designers are saving the ass of the US motor industry, and some of the biggest shows on US tv are lock, stock and barrel UK productions. We just get on with it quietly - and we're not all like PPF.
KMS PPF: Zip it. You've lost.
TC: those old habits die hard - do you have to refer to the pilot as "missy" ? You have this tendency to make the world believe that the UK male is a mysoginistic old bar-steward.....bit like some of the old B&W movie characters that have infected Bronx's mind. I maybe wrong - but do you have a battered old leather flying jacket, Ray Bans, black Levis that tuck into your motorcycle boots and a BSA Bantam strapped to your bum when you're not flying ? It's just the imagery projected by some of your posts.
Ah. Yes. The original post........My understanding is that there is a video around from the onboard recorder which has the soundtrack of the camera operator and clear pictures from the main camera throughout the entire incident.
The gyros fight hard to keep up with the helicopter movements. Presumably this videotape will be part of the investigation - although quite why an investigation is needed because a heli landed on a beach without damage or injury, I don't know.
Now - I think I'll sit down and watch Ice Cold in Alex this afternoon - trying to guess which character passed DNA to TC.
KMS PPF: Zip it. You've lost.
TC: those old habits die hard - do you have to refer to the pilot as "missy" ? You have this tendency to make the world believe that the UK male is a mysoginistic old bar-steward.....bit like some of the old B&W movie characters that have infected Bronx's mind. I maybe wrong - but do you have a battered old leather flying jacket, Ray Bans, black Levis that tuck into your motorcycle boots and a BSA Bantam strapped to your bum when you're not flying ? It's just the imagery projected by some of your posts.
Ah. Yes. The original post........My understanding is that there is a video around from the onboard recorder which has the soundtrack of the camera operator and clear pictures from the main camera throughout the entire incident.
The gyros fight hard to keep up with the helicopter movements. Presumably this videotape will be part of the investigation - although quite why an investigation is needed because a heli landed on a beach without damage or injury, I don't know.
Now - I think I'll sit down and watch Ice Cold in Alex this afternoon - trying to guess which character passed DNA to TC.
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... and then Holmes observed sagely "there is something amiss 'ere Watson owld fellow. Not two weeks ago Kiss My Squirrel had in excess of 666 posts on Prune, now he is now to 30. Could there be an imposter in our midst?"
"Great heavens Holmes, you could be on to something" said Watson
"Great heavens Holmes, you could be on to something" said Watson
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“Drat!” said Watson. “I thought you were onto something there Holmes, but since young Daniel introduced this new-fangled ‘software’ as he calls it, I see the post counts are no longer reliable.”
“You see, Watson” said Holmes. ”You see, but you do not observe.”
"Quite so, I'm afraid" admitted Watson, "but the fact is that fellow who resorts to dreadful language when anyone dares to challenge him does not only have 30 posts."
"We can only pity that he lacks the vocabulary to express himself in a civilised manner" said Holmes, "but we won't concern ourselves with that misfortune now or he may delete his most recent post. You have arrived at an opportune moment to engage in some observation."
"What do you imagine has occurred?", asked Watson
"I don't imagine, Doctor. I deduce from data. It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has sufficient data. I leave that to the usual suspects", said Holmes, little knowing his expression would be used by the makers of moving pictures in the next century. "We shall observe and deduce."
“You see, Watson” said Holmes. ”You see, but you do not observe.”
"Quite so, I'm afraid" admitted Watson, "but the fact is that fellow who resorts to dreadful language when anyone dares to challenge him does not only have 30 posts."
"We can only pity that he lacks the vocabulary to express himself in a civilised manner" said Holmes, "but we won't concern ourselves with that misfortune now or he may delete his most recent post. You have arrived at an opportune moment to engage in some observation."
"What do you imagine has occurred?", asked Watson
"I don't imagine, Doctor. I deduce from data. It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has sufficient data. I leave that to the usual suspects", said Holmes, little knowing his expression would be used by the makers of moving pictures in the next century. "We shall observe and deduce."
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"...AND his location has changed. And WHY would a software upgrade three weeks ago change the posting numbers on a Friday night??" said Harry. "It must be Voldemort changing the thoughts of Bill Gates"
"Don't be daft" said Ron.
"Methinks der iz two of them wiv similar monikers .... " said Hermione reaching for another glass of butterbeer.
Aside, to camera "(and I still think it was vortex ring)" said Redeye
"Don't be daft" said Ron.
"Methinks der iz two of them wiv similar monikers .... " said Hermione reaching for another glass of butterbeer.
Aside, to camera "(and I still think it was vortex ring)" said Redeye
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"Is it possible that fellow with a red eye could be correct?" asked Watson, as they left their Club.
"No, it is not" said Holmes, "but loyalty to friends is admirable, do you not agree?"
"I do indeed" said Watson. "I noticed they both hail from the North East of England and were training to be professional rotary flying machine drivers at a similar time."
"Damn fool way of trying to make a living, if you ask me", said Holmes. "It costs new drivers an enormous sum to be qualified because of all the rules made by the bureaucrats and, even if they can find employment, it's often not well remunerated."
"Mr Coupling says all the rules make Britain the leader of the entire world in this aviation pursuit", said Watson.
"Yes, he does" said Holmes, reflecting, but without further comment.
"If anything goes wrong, journalists are very quick to blame the driver", observed Watson.
"If only it was just journalists," sighed Holmes.
"Still, enough observing for me today. I'll leave others to do so in their own way for the moment. Ah, here comes a carriage. Cabbie! What was it that squirrel-kisser fellow called the American? A 'tosser'. I'll enquire of the driver what it means. They know that sort of thing."
"Baker Street, if you please, my good man. Goodnight, Watson."
"No, it is not" said Holmes, "but loyalty to friends is admirable, do you not agree?"
"I do indeed" said Watson. "I noticed they both hail from the North East of England and were training to be professional rotary flying machine drivers at a similar time."
"Damn fool way of trying to make a living, if you ask me", said Holmes. "It costs new drivers an enormous sum to be qualified because of all the rules made by the bureaucrats and, even if they can find employment, it's often not well remunerated."
"Mr Coupling says all the rules make Britain the leader of the entire world in this aviation pursuit", said Watson.
"Yes, he does" said Holmes, reflecting, but without further comment.
"If anything goes wrong, journalists are very quick to blame the driver", observed Watson.
"If only it was just journalists," sighed Holmes.
"Still, enough observing for me today. I'll leave others to do so in their own way for the moment. Ah, here comes a carriage. Cabbie! What was it that squirrel-kisser fellow called the American? A 'tosser'. I'll enquire of the driver what it means. They know that sort of thing."
"Baker Street, if you please, my good man. Goodnight, Watson."
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Kiss
I never said I know who you are, I said I know what you are.
You call me what you want if it makes you feel better but language like that don’t look good on a professional forum.
So you won't “bother” to take the wager? Well I guess that’s a big surprise to everyone. You taunted the R44 pilot to come back and defend herself but when you’re challenged you ain’t so brave.
You had 704 posts when I posted on Saturday and your life story was there, now you got 89, Funny how the posts showing you build hours as a part-time FI in Newcastle on Tine when your not at sea working in the engine room on BP tankers and how you’re still trying to get your first full time job as a pilot are gone. I bet nobody could guess who took them off or why.
I wish you good luck finding a job as a pilot, it aint easy, but if you get that North Sea job you been trying to get you should change your attitude because experienced pros will flush out BS real quick.
Pride goes before a fall. Remember that before you shoot your mouth off about another pilot who has some incident. Next time it could be you and it aint nice if people who weren’t there start saying pilot error. You could learn a lot from an experienced pro with as many hours as John Eacot, you never see him shooting his mouth off about other pilots. Hey I forgot, you don’t think thousands of hours experience means anything or has that post gone now.
Have you learnt anything? I hope so for your sake but I wouldn’t wager a cent on it.
Yeh me too, but I won't bother to take it further. Bronx is obviously a complete tosser and if he knows who I am, then get on the phone and we'll have a chat. My initials? MG! Bring it on fat boy, he he.
As for worthy causes? Give me a ******* break please! What? Free flying to someone? I was given **** all!!
As for worthy causes? Give me a ******* break please! What? Free flying to someone? I was given **** all!!
You call me what you want if it makes you feel better but language like that don’t look good on a professional forum.
So you won't “bother” to take the wager? Well I guess that’s a big surprise to everyone.
You taunted the R44 pilot to come back and defend herself but when you’re challenged you ain’t so brave. You had 704 posts when I posted on Saturday and your life story was there, now you got 89, Funny how the posts showing you build hours as a part-time FI in Newcastle on Tine when your not at sea working in the engine room on BP tankers and how you’re still trying to get your first full time job as a pilot are gone. I bet nobody could guess who took them off or why.
I wish you good luck finding a job as a pilot, it aint easy, but if you get that North Sea job you been trying to get you should change your attitude because experienced pros will flush out BS real quick.
Pride goes before a fall. Remember that before you shoot your mouth off about another pilot who has some incident. Next time it could be you and it aint nice if people who weren’t there start saying pilot error. You could learn a lot from an experienced pro with as many hours as John Eacot, you never see him shooting his mouth off about other pilots. Hey I forgot, you don’t think thousands of hours experience means anything or has that post gone now.
Have you learnt anything? I hope so for your sake but I wouldn’t wager a cent on it.
If we were all in a bar right now, Bronx, and redeye would be sniping at KMS because his underpants were showing, Headsethair and myself would be putting the world to rights and Heliport would be digging Bronx in the ribs to go buy a round.
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no comment
most operations manuals are very clear on a pilots conduct with the media
"no comment" & refer them to the chief pilot/head office for any official comment
said pilot most likely has entered the forum to immediately eliminate any speculation & inform her peers as to the nuts & bolts, fairly generous on her part.
but being that the media vermin that troll through here awaiting for anything to smite the unwary pilot just to get a headline, was most likely advised (i assume) to make no further comment, particularly on a public forum, which is not ill advise.
Having seen said pilot fly at close hand, she is as smooth and professional as I could hope to be & I'd wander back under her disc area any day of the week. considering the volume of local pilots to pick from, it is no mean feat to secure one of the few flying jobs particularly over one of the most densley populated cities in Australia, above all her male counterparts - she can obviously do the job as well or better than many.
The fact that she has the confidence & affirmation of her chief pilot should be enough to anyone who questions her actions, so why argue.
I have been watching with envy the jaffa flying past our office floors windows every other day of the week. I often take note of where it is headed & trying to work out what is going on today, but most of all wishing that i was up there instead. but never have I seen any action which i would question in regards to safety.
but I watched in much dismay as this thread which should have merely been a discussion on a prudent pilots action turn into a pissing contest.
"no comment" & refer them to the chief pilot/head office for any official comment
said pilot most likely has entered the forum to immediately eliminate any speculation & inform her peers as to the nuts & bolts, fairly generous on her part.
but being that the media vermin that troll through here awaiting for anything to smite the unwary pilot just to get a headline, was most likely advised (i assume) to make no further comment, particularly on a public forum, which is not ill advise.
Having seen said pilot fly at close hand, she is as smooth and professional as I could hope to be & I'd wander back under her disc area any day of the week. considering the volume of local pilots to pick from, it is no mean feat to secure one of the few flying jobs particularly over one of the most densley populated cities in Australia, above all her male counterparts - she can obviously do the job as well or better than many.
The fact that she has the confidence & affirmation of her chief pilot should be enough to anyone who questions her actions, so why argue.
I have been watching with envy the jaffa flying past our office floors windows every other day of the week. I often take note of where it is headed & trying to work out what is going on today, but most of all wishing that i was up there instead. but never have I seen any action which i would question in regards to safety.
but I watched in much dismay as this thread which should have merely been a discussion on a prudent pilots action turn into a pissing contest.
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GG your loyalty and common sense is to be admired. It stand out in contrast to some of the other posts on this forum. 
Of course you will agree that this pilot is only human, and subject to loss of SA like anyone else.
As all PP's would probably agree it is critical to be aware of airspeed before turning downwind. Could result in LTE otherwise. A good job to recover from this - especially if vortex ring state is also encountered on way south. Very good head on her shoulders this young lady.
My hat off to her.
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Of course you will agree that this pilot is only human, and subject to loss of SA like anyone else.
As all PP's would probably agree it is critical to be aware of airspeed before turning downwind. Could result in LTE otherwise. A good job to recover from this - especially if vortex ring state is also encountered on way south. Very good head on her shoulders this young lady.
My hat off to her.
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Your questions answered!
Originally Posted by Tickle
Hi everyone,
This reminds me of an incident that occured in the late 1980's or maybe 1990 where I was the passenger. I was in a Kestrel Aviation Kawasaki KH4 and something happened - a big bang - and we suddenly autorotated into the Alexander Gardens next to the Yarra River in Melbourne.
I believe the pilot was a man by the name of Richard Gay or Richard Guay. I was told he moved on to fly for Channel 10 and he had flown in Vietnam.
Does anyone know the cause of that accident and if anyone knows Richard or what happened to him?
I remember being very excited when the pilot told us the police Dauphin may take us back to the World Trade Centre helipad, but they didn't, justflew off after a good look.
Any help appreciated!
Thanks,
Tickle.
This reminds me of an incident that occured in the late 1980's or maybe 1990 where I was the passenger. I was in a Kestrel Aviation Kawasaki KH4 and something happened - a big bang - and we suddenly autorotated into the Alexander Gardens next to the Yarra River in Melbourne.
I believe the pilot was a man by the name of Richard Gay or Richard Guay. I was told he moved on to fly for Channel 10 and he had flown in Vietnam.
Does anyone know the cause of that accident and if anyone knows Richard or what happened to him?
I remember being very excited when the pilot told us the police Dauphin may take us back to the World Trade Centre helipad, but they didn't, just
flew off after a good look.Any help appreciated!
Thanks,
Tickle.
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LTE Ahem.
the old standard is fifty hours isn't it, certainly went close on this thread, --for hot air, and --- pissing. a school i went to once used to have the a new boy pissing contest, boy could those mothers squirt after fifty hours!
seriously, for the femme fatale, if in doubt push it out, your hands and feet i mean, unless you're french they would use the left foot. try it, it gives clean air in a flash.
seriously, for the femme fatale, if in doubt push it out, your hands and feet i mean, unless you're french they would use the left foot. try it, it gives clean air in a flash.
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semi rigid
pray don't keep us in the dark without a landing light
--video-- ??????????????? with sound?????????? so's we can tell the rpm without having to look at the blessed dial.
--video-- ??????????????? with sound?????????? so's we can tell the rpm without having to look at the blessed dial.