Banner Towing
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I have personally flown this system for many,many hours, it is simple and safe to use, in some of the pics displayed here you can see the banner is being flown too fast as it is bowing, thus making it hard to read. Total weight for a 12500 sqf would be about 450lbs this includes the 150lbs of sand that hangs at the bottom of the system, and no the longline shackles and such do not come crashing to the earth, they float and yes I did say float down quite nicely,and without giving away any secrets, what causes anything heavier than air to float to the ground when departing a helicopter or plane? it rhymes with Parachute! of course the system has already done it's job at this point and the sand has been dispersed like Grandma's ashes when said chute deploys guiding the remainder of the system to earth. It is also very helpful if the pilot has some vertical reference experience, although not necessary it does make the job allot easier. Also Capt Hollywood if you did have a need for a banner tow aircraft in sydney I think judging by Skycom's name he would know about it actually, he would be the one doing the hiring, and unfortunately for you I wouldn't expect that call to the base anytime soon
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Jerry Seinfeld
Thanks for your informative post.
BTW, Capt Hollywood didn't say he was looking for a job but, on the basis of your last sentence, it sounds as if Skycom is as unpleasant in real life as he has been on this thread. See his arrogant and offensive post 21st January 2006 01:11.
Capt H made a reasonable suggestion in his first post, and asked a reasonable question in his second - freely admitting he didn't know the answer and wanted to expand his knowledge.
He's been courteous throughout - in stark contrast to Skycom.
SOP for this forum: Help others when you know the answer and ask a question if you don't.
There'll always be exceptions of course, but the fact they are exceptions illustrates the value and strength of this worldwide pool of expertise and experience.
Heliport
Thanks for your informative post.
BTW, Capt Hollywood didn't say he was looking for a job but, on the basis of your last sentence, it sounds as if Skycom is as unpleasant in real life as he has been on this thread. See his arrogant and offensive post 21st January 2006 01:11.
Capt H made a reasonable suggestion in his first post, and asked a reasonable question in his second - freely admitting he didn't know the answer and wanted to expand his knowledge.
He's been courteous throughout - in stark contrast to Skycom.
SOP for this forum: Help others when you know the answer and ask a question if you don't.
There'll always be exceptions of course, but the fact they are exceptions illustrates the value and strength of this worldwide pool of expertise and experience.
Heliport
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Having talked to Capt. Hollywood yesterday, his company (not based in Sydney) IS about to ask for quotes for 30 hours of Banner towing in Sydney. Nice little contract for someone.
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Capt Hollywood
If you are still interested in someone to fly your banner, I will throw in my hat.
The company I fly for in NZ flys a banner over Auckland using H300s , 500s and occasionally a B206.
I have about 50 hours doing this. If this sounds like you email me on
[email protected]
The company I fly for in NZ flys a banner over Auckland using H300s , 500s and occasionally a B206.
I have about 50 hours doing this. If this sounds like you email me on
[email protected]
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There is not a monopoly in Sydney it is a Duopoly. Skycom has the banners and the overland system, and PRW Helicopters (Formerley Mciver Aviation) has the approval in their ops manual to fly the system.
Sydney Airport Corporation Limited have decided to build a shopping centre or something on the site where anyone could lift a banner from and track out over the water and remain over water at all times. Although there are other suitable spots on the airport, SACL believe the practice to be "unsafe", and don't want to have it happening off their property.
I have heard this is because of an "incident" involving one of PRW's pilots. I'm not sure what the incdent was, but i can confirm it had nothing to do with time one of his pilots overtorqued the brand new Bell 427 when the banner he was lifting got caught on a fence.... You heard right, a Bell 427 to lift a banner!! You can't get away with on overtorque in these new machines, wonder how many times it happened on the jetranger??
Skycom does his banner towing out of Bankstown, and therefore has to use the over land system. The cost for the Jetranger and their "intelectuall property", runs at around $3000.00 per hour!!
The guy that flys his banners at 30 - 40kts.... unless they were actually designed and built by skycom (he knows what he is doing) you will rip your banners apart. I suggest 15 - 25kts.
I have limted acess to a suitable spot for picking up banners on the Sydney Coast, but with quite a few restrictions (times and days).
Capt Holywood
If you seriously want to do 30hrs of banner towing in Sydney please PM me.
Tedsta
Sydney Airport Corporation Limited have decided to build a shopping centre or something on the site where anyone could lift a banner from and track out over the water and remain over water at all times. Although there are other suitable spots on the airport, SACL believe the practice to be "unsafe", and don't want to have it happening off their property.
I have heard this is because of an "incident" involving one of PRW's pilots. I'm not sure what the incdent was, but i can confirm it had nothing to do with time one of his pilots overtorqued the brand new Bell 427 when the banner he was lifting got caught on a fence.... You heard right, a Bell 427 to lift a banner!! You can't get away with on overtorque in these new machines, wonder how many times it happened on the jetranger??
Skycom does his banner towing out of Bankstown, and therefore has to use the over land system. The cost for the Jetranger and their "intelectuall property", runs at around $3000.00 per hour!!
The guy that flys his banners at 30 - 40kts.... unless they were actually designed and built by skycom (he knows what he is doing) you will rip your banners apart. I suggest 15 - 25kts.
I have limted acess to a suitable spot for picking up banners on the Sydney Coast, but with quite a few restrictions (times and days).
Capt Holywood
If you seriously want to do 30hrs of banner towing in Sydney please PM me.
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Skycom
Seems I put some noses out of place over my comments... been away from this forum and back to see the comments from others. can pick the guys that know what they are talking about and those that are would be,s.
Last posting from me as the concept of this forum is good to learn from but just to much d%$# heads bingo hall gossiping.
safe flying to all
Last posting from me as the concept of this forum is good to learn from but just to much d%$# heads bingo hall gossiping.
safe flying to all
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Sean, it is a pity that “you spat the dummy”…when you are being nice you have a great deal to offer this forum.
I believe that the photos posted by cl12pv2s of banner towing in Hong Kong are not of the Skycom system but are those of a competitor.
Contrary to some views expressed on this forum the flying is challenging. Trying to maintain level flight at 22 – 28 kts IAS (perhaps faster depending on the system used) when operating for as much as 3 hours at a time, in or around an urban environment with a 200 ft long line load combination, and not screw up or die from boredom is rather challenging. The airspeed indicators are not that accurate at such low speeds and a small speed change can result in a large power change and not always in the direction you would think.
There are three or four specialist companies in the world producing the banners, and providing technical services, and as long as they have oversight of the operation then I reckon it can be conducted in a safe and efficient manner. What concerns me is when all the ‘wannabes’ start giving it a try!
I believe that the photos posted by cl12pv2s of banner towing in Hong Kong are not of the Skycom system but are those of a competitor.
Contrary to some views expressed on this forum the flying is challenging. Trying to maintain level flight at 22 – 28 kts IAS (perhaps faster depending on the system used) when operating for as much as 3 hours at a time, in or around an urban environment with a 200 ft long line load combination, and not screw up or die from boredom is rather challenging. The airspeed indicators are not that accurate at such low speeds and a small speed change can result in a large power change and not always in the direction you would think.
There are three or four specialist companies in the world producing the banners, and providing technical services, and as long as they have oversight of the operation then I reckon it can be conducted in a safe and efficient manner. What concerns me is when all the ‘wannabes’ start giving it a try!
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Heli-Banner Videos..
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ohhh Banjo, if they were videos of the banner towing, you don't fancy putting them on't net for us mere mortals do you?? Please, pretty please.
Plenty of videos on our website for you, you'll need Quicktime though:
http://www.HeliAdventures.com
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Sydney
Originally Posted by Capt Hollywood
Skycom,
I suggested you pass on some of your knowledge, not divulge the inner workings of your system. No need to resort to personal insults, have I upset you at some stage in the past?
I am simply curious as to how the system works. The version I heard involves the sand being released prior to the flag being dropped in the event of an emergency. I found it hard to believe CASA would permit a flag and the associated shackles, swivel etc, to fall away from the machine over a populated area, fair question I thought! If you have approval to do just that then so be it, as I said I am curious if that is the idea behind the system.
I am currently looking for an operator to fly a banner in Sydney for approximately 30hrs a month. Know anyone who can help me with this!!!
Cheers,
CH
I suggested you pass on some of your knowledge, not divulge the inner workings of your system. No need to resort to personal insults, have I upset you at some stage in the past?
I am simply curious as to how the system works. The version I heard involves the sand being released prior to the flag being dropped in the event of an emergency. I found it hard to believe CASA would permit a flag and the associated shackles, swivel etc, to fall away from the machine over a populated area, fair question I thought! If you have approval to do just that then so be it, as I said I am curious if that is the idea behind the system.
I am currently looking for an operator to fly a banner in Sydney for approximately 30hrs a month. Know anyone who can help me with this!!!
Cheers,
CH
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Helicopter Banner Towing!!
Hello Boys n Girls, I have recently seen a 206 towing a huge banner. The thing was on a long line with a weight at the end of it. It was flying around Chicago on game day advertising some kind of yellow pages.
Has anybody got any info on where one may aquire such equipment or even know who the Chicago operator was.
Fun
Has anybody got any info on where one may aquire such equipment or even know who the Chicago operator was.
Fun
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The equipment you need is very much dictated by your circumstances. If you require to tow the banner over land and over populous areas you do require a sand bag system (in Aus anyway). This system, in the even of something going wrong, allows you to release the sand (aka the weight) and drop the banner without the risk of it punching a hole through someones roof. If you intend to tow the banner over water, for example down a popular stretch of beach, you can simply tow the banner with fixed weights. In the event something goes wrong, there is nothing but Davey Jones Locker below you allowing you to pickle the load without risking life or property.
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There's a lot of information about banner towing on this thread - http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205578
There's a lot of information about banner towing on this thread - http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205578
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Helicopter banner towing
If you want to any information about helicopters towing banners, then Skybanners are the world experts - and the inventors of the heli banner concept, back in the arly 90's, in New Zealand.
Skybanners operate around the world; the banner design is light years ahead of anything the Australians have.
Skybanners operate around the world; the banner design is light years ahead of anything the Australians have.
Is that you Mr Walker?
Great plug and a great first post. May you suggest why it is so far advanced from the other systems? Ohhh, because the Kiwis invented it. Gotcha!
I have seen a banner up close at a NFL game in Chicago, he was in a 306 and I had a 44 taking pictures and it had a lot of wow factor. I have a picture somewhere.
Thanks
Thanks