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The 4%, (or there abouts,) was the final part of a pay deal agreed a year or so ago. That deal is now complete, so negotiations will continue for a better deal for all the pilots at Scotia.
What stage those negotiations are at, or even if they have begun or will begin, is a matter for those at Scotia.
Chopperman.
What stage those negotiations are at, or even if they have begun or will begin, is a matter for those at Scotia.
Chopperman.
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That's Scotia:
Who knows about the payrise deal Bristows pilots are likely to get?
I've heard Bristows is trying to get away with 10 - 15 'ish, regardless the inminent mass exodus of SFOs to Scotia.
Any comments
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Who knows about the payrise deal Bristows pilots are likely to get?
I've heard Bristows is trying to get away with 10 - 15 'ish, regardless the inminent mass exodus of SFOs to Scotia.
Any comments
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Well, Bristows had a pay meeting the other day. Not very well attended as usual.
Anyway, without giving too much away we'll looking for a good rise. However, confidence in BALPA was once again knocked when the BALPA rep, who we pay for, started to pack up his things and buggered off to catch a flight to London long before the meeting ended. Would it really of been too much to get him to stay overnight so at least he could have attended the whole meeting. Considering that most of us pay between £300 and £500 a year for the privilege of being in BALPA then this really is taking the piss.
I'm certainly starting to question what exactly we are getting for our money from BALPA and if they don't come up trumps this year then I see no reason to stay in it. In fact I think I'll apply to join the MSF. They're cheaper, less arrogant, have better professional representation at a local level and seem to actually care about their members. From what I've seen of the BHL BALPA reps they're about to enter these pay negotiations with a defeatist attitude.
Come on BALPA get your act together and prove to the helicopter world that you can represent us just as well as you represent the fixed wing world.
Anyway, without giving too much away we'll looking for a good rise. However, confidence in BALPA was once again knocked when the BALPA rep, who we pay for, started to pack up his things and buggered off to catch a flight to London long before the meeting ended. Would it really of been too much to get him to stay overnight so at least he could have attended the whole meeting. Considering that most of us pay between £300 and £500 a year for the privilege of being in BALPA then this really is taking the piss.
I'm certainly starting to question what exactly we are getting for our money from BALPA and if they don't come up trumps this year then I see no reason to stay in it. In fact I think I'll apply to join the MSF. They're cheaper, less arrogant, have better professional representation at a local level and seem to actually care about their members. From what I've seen of the BHL BALPA reps they're about to enter these pay negotiations with a defeatist attitude.
Come on BALPA get your act together and prove to the helicopter world that you can represent us just as well as you represent the fixed wing world.
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Rameses,
sorry to hear that your meeting was poorly attended. All pilots must make every effort to be there on these occasions, this shows management that we are a strong, determined and united workforce that need to be listened to. The rep from New Road would be less likely to leave early if he were confronted by a room full of voiciferous pilots.
Roundwego,
Don't expect, or allow, your reps to establish a party line, they will only get it wrong. It's up to you, the members, to tell them what the party line is, after all, they were elected as your mouthpiece. If they don't do it properly, kick their buts until they do what you, the majority, want.
Finally,
I am not having a go at either of you, just the system and the general apathy of some of the pilots on both sides of the runway.
Finally, finally, put this together very quickly so hope it makes sense.
Don't give up the fight,
Chopperman.
sorry to hear that your meeting was poorly attended. All pilots must make every effort to be there on these occasions, this shows management that we are a strong, determined and united workforce that need to be listened to. The rep from New Road would be less likely to leave early if he were confronted by a room full of voiciferous pilots.
Roundwego,
Don't expect, or allow, your reps to establish a party line, they will only get it wrong. It's up to you, the members, to tell them what the party line is, after all, they were elected as your mouthpiece. If they don't do it properly, kick their buts until they do what you, the majority, want.
Finally,
I am not having a go at either of you, just the system and the general apathy of some of the pilots on both sides of the runway.
Finally, finally, put this together very quickly so hope it makes sense.
Don't give up the fight,
Chopperman.
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Sounds like the rumours of SFO's crossing the runway from Bristow to Scotia are more than just Heresay. I believe 6 or 7 co-pilots have handed in their notice this week and have been offered jobs across the road - Good luck to them.
Maybe the management will learn that flying one red, white and blue helicopter is much the same as another ! Its all about pay and conditions and if they're better elsewhere, then they can't expect to keep their staff.
Maybe the management will learn that flying one red, white and blue helicopter is much the same as another ! Its all about pay and conditions and if they're better elsewhere, then they can't expect to keep their staff.
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Back to the old days in the North Sea!
Is that true that Scotia Pilots have rejected a further 12.5% payrise (accross the board) + additional £3,200 (captains only), and now they're asking for 50%????
If that's true, it just shows how good this chance is for us... good luck to them!
And what are BHL drivers going to ask for now?
Happy flight
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Is that true that Scotia Pilots have rejected a further 12.5% payrise (accross the board) + additional £3,200 (captains only), and now they're asking for 50%????
If that's true, it just shows how good this chance is for us... good luck to them!
And what are BHL drivers going to ask for now?
Happy flight
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A simple principle in building a successful business "keep your customers" you are going nowhere if for every new customer you get you are loosing an existing one. This is also true of your employee's, the first principle should be to keep what you've got, in aviation this is even more critical because of lead times involved in getting experienced people to the line.
Look at the work force, the young, middle and old, the old may have the loudest bark but sadly no teeth, these people are not going any where fast, most have nice FS pension and will stay. The young well there bonded to start with. All these people are at the start of there careers building experience and hours. The North Sea is the place to do this and most will stay in the medium term. The week spot is the middle ground SFO’s and mp pension type Captains, keep these people happy and your on a winner. Forget giving any of these groups exclusive deals at the expense of the rest this will not achieve the desired effect “retention” and will only serve to alienate the other two groups.
Target the problem with a simple solution. Offer the work force a loyalty payment for signing an agreement to remain with the company for a five year period .10K on signing followed by an annual loyalty payment of 10% of the annual salary paid in arrears for every full years service.
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Take a look over your shoulder....look at the way the companies are trying to hold on to their engineers *NOT*.
Plenty of experience walking out of the door, and no offers to make them stay.
Another thing is the operating margins for the North Sea. Bristow is now 2.6% to 3.5%, where are these 10% bonuses and 10K good boy wedges coming from?
Wake up, it's a real world out there.
Plenty of experience walking out of the door, and no offers to make them stay.
Another thing is the operating margins for the North Sea. Bristow is now 2.6% to 3.5%, where are these 10% bonuses and 10K good boy wedges coming from?
Wake up, it's a real world out there.
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400hz,
With an attitude like yours it's no wonder the wages have fallen so far behind. The poor profit margins are the companies problem, not ours. What we have to do is redress the erosion of our wages, (Pilot, Engineer what have you), over the past years.
We now have the opportunity to do this, how Bristow or Scotia find the money is their problem.
Most of us have woken up, have you?
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With an attitude like yours it's no wonder the wages have fallen so far behind. The poor profit margins are the companies problem, not ours. What we have to do is redress the erosion of our wages, (Pilot, Engineer what have you), over the past years.
We now have the opportunity to do this, how Bristow or Scotia find the money is their problem.
Most of us have woken up, have you?
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Sadly I agree with North Sea Phantom. Bristow and Scotia don't give a damn about our pay and conditions as long as the shareholders are happy. They will use delay tactics as long as possible, try and divide and conquer the workforce. Bristow pilots have a problem with low BALPA membership. What happens if the company target "special deals". Are we a united workforce? Until we are, the management will have the upper hand and will continue to reward us with S... all! It is all too easy to criticise BALPA and I am a chief culprit. However, in fairness we are not giving them a mandate to bargain with and until we do, I am afraid BALPA are a toothless tiger. So get out there, join BALPA, and let us really take on the management. I agree with all said before, it is irrelevant to us, what Bristow profits are. If they need more they go to the client and ask. The oil companies cannot survive without us. I suspect market forces will eventually cause a late reaction by our management, but by then it may well be too late. Talk about head in the sand management!
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Unfortunately it seems that North Sea Phantom is correct. We can bicker amongst ourselves we can whinge but it will get us nowhere. Until Bristow pilots see the light and realise that BALPA is the only forum that can possibly work we are p.....g into wind. At present with our pathetically low membership, the company management are laughing. Divide and conquer will be their theme and gentlemen, "watch this space". "Special deals" to parts of the workforce will screw a huge portion of the work force. Admittedly market forces will eventually dictate our pay but by then it may well be to late.
Our negotiations are with our own company management. Those of you out there saying it is a real world out there, you are damned right, but don't accept the paltry pay rises we are being bludgeoned with. The oil companies WILL pay WHATEVER they have to in order to service their industry. Our costs are a ripple in the ocean in comparison to their corporate profits. Come on North Sea Pilots lets get unified and give our union some power and ourselves some decent pay and conditions.
Our negotiations are with our own company management. Those of you out there saying it is a real world out there, you are damned right, but don't accept the paltry pay rises we are being bludgeoned with. The oil companies WILL pay WHATEVER they have to in order to service their industry. Our costs are a ripple in the ocean in comparison to their corporate profits. Come on North Sea Pilots lets get unified and give our union some power and ourselves some decent pay and conditions.
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At last! Some-one talking sense. Tuckunder, I couldn't agree more. We need to be united and the best way to do that is join Balpa, ALL of us, give the our company councils a mandate to do what WE want them to do and the power to do it.
So those of you who want change and are not members; join, if only for a year, give it a chance, you pay a reduced rate for the first couple of years.
Chopperman.
So those of you who want change and are not members; join, if only for a year, give it a chance, you pay a reduced rate for the first couple of years.
Chopperman.