Awards - Do They Mean Anything
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Awards - Do They Mean Anything
Wondering what everyones thoughts were on awards that are bandied about by operators to prove "how great" they are.
I know of one operator here downunder that wins all these so called awards, but found out recently that they are all self nominated. She nominates him for everythying, they win the award, and then promote to the world that they won it over all the others.
I suppose the only awards that have any credibility and cant be bought are the annual HAI awards, what does everyone think.
I know of one operator here downunder that wins all these so called awards, but found out recently that they are all self nominated. She nominates him for everythying, they win the award, and then promote to the world that they won it over all the others.
I suppose the only awards that have any credibility and cant be bought are the annual HAI awards, what does everyone think.
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Awards are a good idea, used appropriately.
I think they should be used to recognize efforts of individuals/organizations that go beyond the ordinary. A company should not use them to try and prove their worth.
With any award, rather than assuming that it means something, we should hear the reasons for getting the award and understand what under what conditions the award is granted.
There are many good awards, not just the HAI awards. I work with many people that have done missions that definitely warrant some recognition and as far as I know they haven't received anything from HAI.
Matthew.
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I think they should be used to recognize efforts of individuals/organizations that go beyond the ordinary. A company should not use them to try and prove their worth.
With any award, rather than assuming that it means something, we should hear the reasons for getting the award and understand what under what conditions the award is granted.
There are many good awards, not just the HAI awards. I work with many people that have done missions that definitely warrant some recognition and as far as I know they haven't received anything from HAI.
Matthew.
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I agree that there are plenty of operators out the who certainly deserve their awards and there are many more who should be recognised as well.
The one thing that gets me is certain operators who get awards from community groups that know absolutely nothing about the helo industry, they are the only ones nominated, and then they beat their chests saying look how great we are. To me those sorts of awards mean crap.
What do you think are the legitimate awards. HAIs ones spring to mind as does the Assn of Air Medical Services awards.
I agree that there are plenty of operators out the who certainly deserve their awards and there are many more who should be recognised as well.
The one thing that gets me is certain operators who get awards from community groups that know absolutely nothing about the helo industry, they are the only ones nominated, and then they beat their chests saying look how great we are. To me those sorts of awards mean crap.
What do you think are the legitimate awards. HAIs ones spring to mind as does the Assn of Air Medical Services awards.
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The HAI actively solicits it's membership for the recipients of awards that are presented at Heli-Expo each year. The recipients are selected, by the HAI board, from the submissions that are presented to it. These awards are from the industry, to the industry.
The submission forms are on the HAI website at www.rotor.com. Check the site out for the request for submissions in the fall of each year.
The submission forms are on the HAI website at www.rotor.com. Check the site out for the request for submissions in the fall of each year.
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Pac Rotors,
I don't involve myself in awards submissions, partly for the reasons that you're mentioning. Because of this, I don't know all that are out there.
I know Boeing has an awards program but I think they're restricted to missions done with Boeing products. Those seem to be decent awards as long as the criteria for the awards are known. I've heard of Sikorsky having a similiar program but have no idea what it is.
Awards from a National level of Government are always ones of which to be proud. I think with those you can state the award with your chest stuck out with pride without qualification. (MBE, Congressional Medal of Honour, DFC, etc.)
I've received a minor award from an Admiral for a night mountain rescue. The mission was difficult and it was a success so I didn't have a problem with it being singled out, but to be honest, I felt like I was getting something that my coworkers had each earned many times over, and not received.
What makes much more of a difference to me is hearing a thank you from the people we rescue. Those don't make me stick my chest out but do make it easier to show up for work the next day.
Matthew.
I don't involve myself in awards submissions, partly for the reasons that you're mentioning. Because of this, I don't know all that are out there.
I know Boeing has an awards program but I think they're restricted to missions done with Boeing products. Those seem to be decent awards as long as the criteria for the awards are known. I've heard of Sikorsky having a similiar program but have no idea what it is.
Awards from a National level of Government are always ones of which to be proud. I think with those you can state the award with your chest stuck out with pride without qualification. (MBE, Congressional Medal of Honour, DFC, etc.)
I've received a minor award from an Admiral for a night mountain rescue. The mission was difficult and it was a success so I didn't have a problem with it being singled out, but to be honest, I felt like I was getting something that my coworkers had each earned many times over, and not received.
What makes much more of a difference to me is hearing a thank you from the people we rescue. Those don't make me stick my chest out but do make it easier to show up for work the next day.
Matthew.
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No prof jealousy here, I publish magazines so dont get to participate anyway.
My gripe is the operators who self nominate against no other competition and then puff out their chest and say how great they are, when there are other operators out there who go about their daily business saving lives and helping people that dont really get the credit they deserve.
Just wish there were enough awards to go around for those that really deserve them.
No prof jealousy here, I publish magazines so dont get to participate anyway.
My gripe is the operators who self nominate against no other competition and then puff out their chest and say how great they are, when there are other operators out there who go about their daily business saving lives and helping people that dont really get the credit they deserve.
Just wish there were enough awards to go around for those that really deserve them.
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Heedm:
Have to agree, a word of thanks from the people you've helped is all the reward I need.
I get a bit lost when it comes to all the industries awards to certain companys. Much prefer to see awards to individuals & crews for the odd 'good job'. The Navy's 'Green Endorsement' springs to mind.
Although as you state, it sometimes seems unfair to single out one crew from the others, but certainly I don't feel that its a problem. After all it becomes a source of squadron/ unit pride & a good excuse for beer & banter!
Have to agree, a word of thanks from the people you've helped is all the reward I need.
I get a bit lost when it comes to all the industries awards to certain companys. Much prefer to see awards to individuals & crews for the odd 'good job'. The Navy's 'Green Endorsement' springs to mind.
Although as you state, it sometimes seems unfair to single out one crew from the others, but certainly I don't feel that its a problem. After all it becomes a source of squadron/ unit pride & a good excuse for beer & banter!
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Who the hell is Pac rotors
why are they !!!!ty about awards, downunder Dan Tyler won an award, so what if his mother nominated him or his comapny does that make the award any less an award? I fly with some guys who deserve awards, if I nominate them does that make them less?
why are they !!!!ty about awards, downunder Dan Tyler won an award, so what if his mother nominated him or his comapny does that make the award any less an award? I fly with some guys who deserve awards, if I nominate them does that make them less?
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I think you need to read my first post before posting. I said that my gripe is with a certain operator, who shall remain nameless at this stage, a husband and wife operation who nominate each other for community based awards and then blow out their chests saying that they sare so much better than everyone else.
I know Dan very very well and was with them last week when they launched the Koala. The difference with his award, which was well deserved, is that it was from his peers, in the form of HAI. If it is a legitimate award then hey I am all for it. But there are a few operators that get these comminity mom and pop awards and make it seem like they are the be all and end all of the helo industry.
Hell I have flown with the guys from VicPol, Helimed at Taralgon and the RAAF SAR guys and many of them deserve awards for what they do. Dont get me wrong I support the awards recognition as long as it is justified, but I dont support the ones who source them just to boost the egos.
I think you need to read my first post before posting. I said that my gripe is with a certain operator, who shall remain nameless at this stage, a husband and wife operation who nominate each other for community based awards and then blow out their chests saying that they sare so much better than everyone else.
I know Dan very very well and was with them last week when they launched the Koala. The difference with his award, which was well deserved, is that it was from his peers, in the form of HAI. If it is a legitimate award then hey I am all for it. But there are a few operators that get these comminity mom and pop awards and make it seem like they are the be all and end all of the helo industry.
Hell I have flown with the guys from VicPol, Helimed at Taralgon and the RAAF SAR guys and many of them deserve awards for what they do. Dont get me wrong I support the awards recognition as long as it is justified, but I dont support the ones who source them just to boost the egos.
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OK so let me get this one straight...they recommend themselves for the community awards and then feel proud about winning. What sort of awards do you have a gripe about Pac Rotors? It would suprise me if a competitor in business would nominate who ever it is...makes sense that they have to nominate themselves. The only issue that I can see here is if they are nominating themselves for awards that they have no place being in...for example if they are competing against smaller (read poorer) companies. I sense a bit of malice from you Pac...remember to not stress over the small stuff...!
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I think the original point is totally getting missed. It's not that any award is not worth getting but that when boasting of the awards one has received, it's important to keep things in perspective.
If you win the local chamber of commerce award for landing in a large open field in great weather and then fly a slightly injured person to the airport where an ambulance picks them up, that's okay. What's not okay is telling everyone that you were decorated for a rescue mission, observing that they assume you're some hero, and then leaving it at that.
Matthew.
If you win the local chamber of commerce award for landing in a large open field in great weather and then fly a slightly injured person to the airport where an ambulance picks them up, that's okay. What's not okay is telling everyone that you were decorated for a rescue mission, observing that they assume you're some hero, and then leaving it at that.
Matthew.
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For our company, awards are when a client wants you back time and time again, that is far more important than getting a "Safety Award" Companies like the above seem to have someone specifically employed to garner awards. We are too busy working! Though our Standards are as high as Award Winners... or better.
Reminds me of High School, the teachers kids always got the awards.. were they deserved? Is the People Pac is talking about similar?Who knows..
Reminds me of High School, the teachers kids always got the awards.. were they deserved? Is the People Pac is talking about similar?Who knows..
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Another sleazy Pac Rotors post based on innuendo. Your fixation should be embarrassing you. If you have something to say about an operator, spell it out. If you aren't brave enough to do that, run back to your corner and be quiet.
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