ATPL/CPL Training: Ground School topics
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hi big mike I am on the dragon route at the moment, i finding it tough going and impossible to do in the recomended hours, notes are good though drop me a messge if i can be of any help to you at all
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Everyone else does ATPL (13 exams with a lot of unnecessary FW stuff).
There is GTS at Bournmouth as well, which I my math is correct, is the lowest cost CPL (H) course in the UK but has the most face time with instructors (all ex RAF).
www.gtserv.co.uk from memory
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Atlantic Flight Training also do the CPL(H) course and I think were the first to offer it.
For the UK JAA CPL or ATPL, the ground study has to be with an approved school but there are exceptions. I'd recommend a chat with any (or all) of the schools listed here to find out about this.
However, if it's just the study material you want, suppliers like Transair sell the manuals.
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Whirlygig
PS - CAA class 1 medical now costs £337.00; I know 'cos I just got mine!!
For the UK JAA CPL or ATPL, the ground study has to be with an approved school but there are exceptions. I'd recommend a chat with any (or all) of the schools listed here to find out about this.
However, if it's just the study material you want, suppliers like Transair sell the manuals.
Cheers
Whirlygig
PS - CAA class 1 medical now costs £337.00; I know 'cos I just got mine!!
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In a ridiculously oversized white, fluffy dressing gown that would have swamped a loose-head prop? Yup, coulda bin!!
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groundschool how long?
I am just beginning my cpl(h) hour building and was wondering if someone might have an idea of how long the groundschool might take me to complete? I hope to study about ten hours a week, Jar in the uk. Also how much longer to do atpl(h).
I know it seems a silly question but trying to decide whether full time study might be better. Thanx in advance hope you can help.
I know it seems a silly question but trying to decide whether full time study might be better. Thanx in advance hope you can help.
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You should ask the schools what they think, but you can get a rough idea from the hours required.
The 13 ATPL(H) exams are supposed to be 650 hrs work, the 9 CPL(H) are supposed to be 500. Taking the distance learning approach, the pre-exam brush ups are going to absorb around 150 and 100 of those respectively, which leaves 500 and 400 hours to you. At 10hrs per week that gives you about a year for the ATPL and nine months for the CPL. The classroom people seem to quote five months for ATPL.
I've no personal experience of the CPL or the classroom approach but the year or so seems consistent with the guys I came across who had done ATPL(H) distance learning on a part time basis. Those who could manage to do it full time cut this down to about five or six months, ie. about the same as the classroom.
Allegedly the record is six weeks, and some nutter at my school decided to do all 14 (ATPL(A)) in one sitting (and passed !) just to show off.
The distance learning/classroom thing is really up to what you prefer, how you work best, how easy it is to take time out, and how much money you have.
PS. This assumes no resits of course.
The 13 ATPL(H) exams are supposed to be 650 hrs work, the 9 CPL(H) are supposed to be 500. Taking the distance learning approach, the pre-exam brush ups are going to absorb around 150 and 100 of those respectively, which leaves 500 and 400 hours to you. At 10hrs per week that gives you about a year for the ATPL and nine months for the CPL. The classroom people seem to quote five months for ATPL.
I've no personal experience of the CPL or the classroom approach but the year or so seems consistent with the guys I came across who had done ATPL(H) distance learning on a part time basis. Those who could manage to do it full time cut this down to about five or six months, ie. about the same as the classroom.
Allegedly the record is six weeks, and some nutter at my school decided to do all 14 (ATPL(A)) in one sitting (and passed !) just to show off.
The distance learning/classroom thing is really up to what you prefer, how you work best, how easy it is to take time out, and how much money you have.
PS. This assumes no resits of course.
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I did the ATPL(H) exams under the tempoary JAA system. It took me around 13 months with a three month break bewteen the two modules. I was working every day - I mean EVERY DAY - at least 4 or 5 hours study. I still had to work to keep the roof over my head. It aint easy. All I can say is make sure you think very, very, very carefully about where you ' expect ' to be in 2 years time. Ask the guys on here if you have to. Don't be afraid of them. There's advice here you will not find elsewhere !
Good luck !
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ATPL(H) Theory Which Schhol?
Hi Guys
I have held a UK CPL(H) for about 8 years now but my ATPL(H) theory has ran out, I never gained an IR with in 3 years after passing the theory so I need to repeat the theory and the ATPL(H) exams before I can obtain my IR and then ATPL(H)
Which school would you recommend in the UK for distance learning I'm looking more a Bristol, Tell me what you think.
What is there question bank like in comparison the CAA question bank?
Thanks in advance.
I have held a UK CPL(H) for about 8 years now but my ATPL(H) theory has ran out, I never gained an IR with in 3 years after passing the theory so I need to repeat the theory and the ATPL(H) exams before I can obtain my IR and then ATPL(H)
Which school would you recommend in the UK for distance learning I'm looking more a Bristol, Tell me what you think.
What is there question bank like in comparison the CAA question bank?
Thanks in advance.
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You might want to post this in the Professional Training forum especially as there is little difference between ATPL(H) and ATPL(A).
However, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with a bad word to say against Bristol.
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Whirlygig
However, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with a bad word to say against Bristol.
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Whirlygig
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Whoa, TFS, ever heard of libel laws???
To redress the balance, I found him to be very courteous and helpful even when I didn't avail myself of their course!
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Whirls
PS - If I wanted to do the ATPL exams, I would have gone to Bristol but, given I reckon the chance of me getting an IR in three years is the square root of diddly-squat, I've opted for the CPL(H) which BGS don't do.
To redress the balance, I found him to be very courteous and helpful even when I didn't avail myself of their course!
Cheers
Whirls
PS - If I wanted to do the ATPL exams, I would have gone to Bristol but, given I reckon the chance of me getting an IR in three years is the square root of diddly-squat, I've opted for the CPL(H) which BGS don't do.
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Hi KMS
I need to decide whether I just want my IR or I want my ATPL in the future. If I decide on the ATPL then its easier to do the ATPL exams straight off or Ill have to do them in the future.
I need to decide whether I just want my IR or I want my ATPL in the future. If I decide on the ATPL then its easier to do the ATPL exams straight off or Ill have to do them in the future.
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Si darling,
Go and do your maths homework like I told you!
SQRT 4 = 2
SQRT 1 = 1
SQRT 0.5 = 0.7
SQRT 0.1 = 0.3
SQRT 0.01 = 0.1
SQRT 0.001 = 0.03
Diddly-squat is a small but finite and positive number!
See me after class!
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Whirls
To all the pedants out there (and I know who you are!), I have done these to one significant place 'cos I CBFA to type in the rest of the numbers. I'm an accountant, not a scientist any more!
Go and do your maths homework like I told you!
SQRT 4 = 2
SQRT 1 = 1
SQRT 0.5 = 0.7
SQRT 0.1 = 0.3
SQRT 0.01 = 0.1
SQRT 0.001 = 0.03
Diddly-squat is a small but finite and positive number!
See me after class!
Cheers
Whirls
To all the pedants out there (and I know who you are!), I have done these to one significant place 'cos I CBFA to type in the rest of the numbers. I'm an accountant, not a scientist any more!
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Yes, TFS, I am all woman. Your point is?
No, let me guess. Is it because I can do maths!
I can also read maps and, if I try very hard, I can leave the loo seat up!
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Whirls
No, let me guess. Is it because I can do maths!
I can also read maps and, if I try very hard, I can leave the loo seat up!
Cheers
Whirls
Well, whirls, to be a pedant....
Not sure you need the apostrophe with 'cos, that would imply becos was a word!
Intrigued by your profile "fast men". Reminds me of the old boast; "it's not big but it's b***dy fast!"
Not sure you need the apostrophe with 'cos, that would imply becos was a word!
Intrigued by your profile "fast men". Reminds me of the old boast; "it's not big but it's b***dy fast!"
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I need to decide whether I just want my IR or I want my ATPL in the future. If I decide on the ATPL then its easier to do the ATPL exams straight off or Ill have to do them in the future.
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Not sure you need the apostrophe with 'cos,
And don't argue.
As for my profile.... there's a long story about that and I ain't telling!
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PS - I have noticed that poor PPRUNE FAN #1's name has now become synonymous with "rude", "insulting" etc - perhaps we ought to have a new smilie to indicate "Not in a PPrune Fan sort-of-a-way!"
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